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My condolences go out to the Apple Store repair crews. Yeesh.

Why? Repairs will be easier--if anything breaks, just replace the entire logic board.


Ridiculous! I'd rather have no speaker grills at all than fake ones.
And the microphones are also on the bottom of the machine?

I missed the part where the microphones are located on the bottom of the machine. Source?

My biggest concern with this machine is not the inability to upgrade but rather the fact that virtually any repair will require replacing the entire logic board. IMO, no one should buy a new MBP without AppleCare unless they only plan to keep it only for a year or have a lot of disposable income in case something breaks after 12 months.
 
MacBook Pro GeP 2016 Limited Edition (LE), MacBook Pro PoS 2016...either one works the same. haha

I like GE, although I'd call it 'Gimped Edition' as it covers multiple failures, from the speaker grill being poor, to the audio jack being retained but being limited to just headphones?!, Adapters adapters adapters, Magsafe, battery life, RAM limitation, lack of speed boost, removal of sdxc, solder of SSD.

The longer they took to update it the worse it became. :(
 
Can't say any of these discoveries surprise me.

Same here. I'm not bothered by them either.

However, what some in the industry have been bothered by is the repair time for these things. In the past, with the old silver MBPs and Powerbooks, repairs were deteremind by accessibilty of the part, and the time needed for the tech to get to the machine and replace the part. If we were pressed, and had a good reputation with the Genius Bar, we could get the tech to forgo all of the diagnostics and just fix the machine in the same day.

Now, I don't see Apple Retail stores stocking up motherboards left and right. RAM problems? Replace the logic board. Powerbutton? Replace the logic board. PSU? Replace the logic board. GPU? Replace the logic board.

They're going to have to ship the machine off for even a minor repair, and that could take two weeks.
 
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I would have never guessed that Apple would put fake speaker grills on a Mac. What the hell is going on at Apple these days.

Also, anyone else noticed that there has been several bad news articles for every good news article about the new MBP??

I can't remember the last time that there has been so many bad news articles about a new Apple product on MR.


Sure, but that's typical for the release of any Apple product and good for generating clicks and comments. Look at the release of any previous MBP and the the comment counts exceed 700.

Realize, though, that this community is an extremely tiny sliver of those purchasing Apple products and not representative.
 
But the grills still have a function - or are they completly closed?
They only seem to be there for cosmetic purposes.
...while the external speaker grilles are positioned in the top half of the case and don't even go clear through to the internals, making them extremely unlikely to provide any outlet for audio.
 
Wow, the speaker grills are fake?
Makes you wonder why they're there. It's just a liability. If you spill your coffee on it, now it gets in even easier :)

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apparently they're fake.
 
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So what? It won't have any effect either way on performance so who cares? That's the reality.

For a person like Ive and a company like Apple, who bleat on about every bit of design having purpose. Every mm of a device being important. Every port getting fought over as courageous design decision....then they introduce speaker grills nowhere near the speakers, in what looks like aesthetics over form or function. Just looks a bit weak/rubbish/poor.
 
How long will these machines last, before a component fails and it becomes unfeasible to repair / replace?

I've ordered a new MacBook Pro to replace my current 2011 MacBook Pro. A machine, which has required multiple fixes / upgrades over it's lifetime to keep it going, including new a logic board, a new track pad, new battery, 2 x HD upgrades and a ram upgrade.

I'm annoyed that'll I'll probably not get 5 years of use from the new MacBook, before something fails.

I want to love the new MacBook Pro, as I've waited patiently for Apple to release it... fact is I feel like I'll be cursing it in a few years, when it needs replacing, because it's impossible to repair / upgrade.

This strategy makes me loathe Apple and I used to be such a fanboy.
 
I would have never guessed that Apple would put fake speaker grills on a Mac. What the hell is going on at Apple these days.

Also, anyone else noticed that there has been several bad news articles for every good news article about the new MBP??

I can't remember the last time that there has been so many bad news articles about a new Apple product on MR.

I don't remember a good article since the launch. The only positive thing we heard was that there are record number of online orders. That is positive only for Tim Cook and co., not about the laptop.
 
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Sure, but that's typical for the release of any Apple product and good for generating clicks and comments. Look at the release of any previous MBP and the the comment counts exceed 700.

Realize, though, that this community is an extremely tiny sliver of those purchasing Apple products and not representative.
While that might be true, I don't ever remember so many negative articles about Any new Apple product. Especially a Mac.
 
Someone should photoshop a Macbook without those speaker grills, so we can judge ourselves if it looks better with or without :p

Super quick job but here you go
 

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Apple must believe that most will not upgrade their Mac?
Why get upset about it?
I'll buy one of these blinged out MacBooks 4 years from now and they'll still be great!
Buy one used like I did if you don't like the prices.
I bought a 2102 MacBook Pro I7 2.7 quad and put an SSD in it, total invested $1050.
its got 80-90 % of the power of the new one and no dongles needed.
If you love the Mac OS, this is great time to be alive :)


All of those who claim that less then 1% of consumers want to tinker in their machines (upgrades etc.)
overlook that these are pro machines (Supposedly) and pros would know how to do simple stuff at least.
What if over time 4GB SSDS becomes the norm and become cheap?

Also, the 99% which do not open their machines, do not know what to do etc. would not be hurt, if the machines were upgradeable. They just do not open them!

Buyers like me and you, who buy one generation back and then buy a 16GB with the lowest SSD I can find and then put in my own 1TB SSD will now buy much much later and wait until one can find a maxed out MBP or not at all.

To ask people to shell out an extra large amount of cash on the initial buy to make the machine somewhat future proof is not what smart sales people do.
 
It's the same comments every time we get an ifixit teardown. Yawn.

Do we know for sure the speaker grills are just cosmetic? Just because iFixit makes that assumption doesn't make it so. Has Apple confirmed it?
 
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