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TWSS .... anyone? come on thats too good to pass up :p


This retina screen is actually pretty impressive. I had no idea it was so evolved. Now, I wonder if iFixit got a replacement yet or if they have to wait a long time for it.
 
Engineering is always a compromise, and WRT the megapixel wars, Nikon D800/800E, D3200 and Sony NEX7 nicely defy conventional wisdom.

I dislike the D800(E) and D3200 personally. They don't stack up against Canon when in lowlight due to the megapixels.
NEX-7 doesn't have an unnecessarily high density sensor like the one found in the D800(E). It has a fairly average 24MP sensor, but then again it has its own downfalls, such as the lack of an OVF.

They do not defy conventional wisdom. They still sacrifice performance for quantity.
 
You can't have no glare. They minimized it until it was almost nothing

You can't defy the physics of light - the matte screens simply diffuse glare and so look duller and milkier when strong light hits them while the glossy ones offer sharper reflections. It's all a non issue. If you don't want light to unduly marr your screen, whether it's matte or gloss, get a hood.
 
A Marvel Apple will get credit for and not the real designer/manufacturer of the screen (Samsung, Sanyo, whoever it may be.)

Hello! The Apple engineers are the real designers. Apple isn't like Dell, who buys off the shelf parts. Apple designs custom parts for all of their hardware. As a matter of fact, the retina display technology is patented by Apple. You can't just cram all those pixels into the same amount of area without having serious problems so they had to specifically engineer a way to do it.

The manufactures are just that...manufacturers. They receive the specs from Apple's engineers and make the displays.
 
I dislike the D800(E) and D3200 personally. They don't stack up against Canon when in lowlight due to the megapixels.
NEX-7 doesn't have an unnecessarily high density sensor like the one found in the D800(E). It has a fairly average 24MP sensor, but then again it has its own downfalls, such as the lack of an OVF.

They do not defy conventional wisdom. They still sacrifice performance for quantity.

Hasselblad... medium format is how you avoid sacrificing performance for quantity, though it comes at a price :)
 
You can't defy the physics of light - the matte screens simply diffuse glare and so look duller and milkier when strong light hits them while the glossy ones offer sharper reflections. It's all a non issue. If you don't want light to unduly marr your screen, whether it's matte or gloss, get a hood.

Or hope that Apple introduces one of the new anti-reflective technologies, such as moth-eye, that neither diffuses or reflects light at a level that is noticeable.
 
If you think THIS is an engineering marvel, Microsoft have just announced a cover for their new ‘Surface’ tablet that seems to attach with some kind of magnets or something. Seriously, I don’t know where those Redmond boys get their crazy ideas from.

(Yeah, I know it has a keyboard built into it as well and, if it works (remember, this is Microsoft) then that’s also kinda clever)
 
You can't defy the physics of light - the matte screens simply diffuse glare and so look duller and milkier when strong light hits them while the glossy ones offer sharper reflections. It's all a non issue. If you don't want light to unduly marr your screen, whether it's matte or gloss, get a hood.

So what your saying is, ya cannae change the laws o' physics!?
 
If you think THIS is an engineering marvel, Microsoft have just announced a cover for their new ‘Surface’ tablet that seems to attach with some kind of magnets or something. Seriously, I don’t know where those Redmond boys get their crazy ideas from.

(Yeah, I know it has a keyboard built into it as well and, if it works (remember, this is Microsoft) then that’s also kinda clever)

It seems that Logitech is selling the same thing for the iPad, but it looks like it has nicer keys.
 
So, what was with their previous comment that the display couldn't be removed from the display assembly? There is no display assembly. It's only the display.
 
Most companies don't have the type of power needed to influence their supply chain like this. Dell engineers receive the mounting bracket and panel dimensions from Sharp and get designing. Apple engineers take a step back and pick out the pieces that don't need to be there. I know from my experience as a product designer that most companies don't allow the time or the flexibility to tweak such minute details.

wrong about Dell. how does Dell not have the influence? Dell pioneered supply chain for computers, not apple, and Dell still has more influence.
they sell more total desktop+laptop machines than Apple. Dell does everything by cost bc its customers primarily value cost as the driving feature (large enterprise, federal and state governments, etc).
that's how the auto industry works. if a vehicle manufacturer acted like Apple and dictated the shape and size of every switch, every actuator, every door lock (you name it), then a compact car would cost $80,000. for Apple, their customers don't care about cost so focusing on design with higher costs works very well. for Dell, that would not work well because they would lose the competitive bidding process against HP for enterprise and government contracts.

suppliers are willing to do whatever you, as the assembler, want them to do as long as the price is right. hey man, if you are assembling a vehicle radio and your UID/UIS people don't like radio knobs with increments, but rather wants the knob to turn smooth with an infinite # of angles, then Supplier A would give you a quote of $40,000 for the tooling change. this might raise the price of the head unit by $0.40. multiply that by the number of units you sell and that's your added cost you have to either eat, or increase the price to account for it. eating cost is a last resort, so chances are they will pass it off to the customer in the showroom in the form of a price hike. that price hike then could make or break the competitive position of the vehicle against others in its class

if you are in product development as you say you are, you know that the general rule of thumb is for every $0.10 in cost you add to the product, you add $1.00 to the selling price. this is why Apple's products are so expensive to begin with, which is then pushed up even more to create additional profit margin to account for lower sales numbers. this is why Apple's cash on hand skyrocketed out of control from 2008 until now. their profit margins were set to be based on X sales per quarter. they kept those profit margins even when sales kept doubling and doubling over each other and again after that from 2009, to 2010, to 2011, 2012 etc. Apple is still able to maintain the higher prices despite the fact that electronics (mainly flash based memory and screens) is experiencing a cliff based drop off in prices. eventually though, the disparity between the cost of the components and the selling price will be so drastic that Apple will need to lower the prices
 
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They can take apart a highly engineered screen, but they can't remove a battery that is glued. Odd.

I think they mentioned they didn't want to remove the battery because of the risk of puncturing a cell. Puncturing one of those batteries could cause a fairly serious fire.
 
I want a retina 13" pro and it may replace my air. The downside is the 13" most likely will not have a dedicated GPU which would push me to change from the Air. The retina display does nothing for me right as there is a lot of software scaling issues right now. This makes the retina display a novelty unless you are going to use it for photography or video editing but you most likely go 15" if you are using it as a pro rig.
 
I had the same question until I went to the Apple store, You kind of have to see it to understand.

The screen has no covering glass so when you press hard enough, the LCD ripples like a traditional desktop LCD monitor. However, it is harder than a traditional unprotected LCD so it kind of feels like there is still glass there and requires more pressure to get that ripple effect. I've never seen anything constructed like it and I'm really interested in how they made an LCD with without glass still look like an edge to edge black surface.

I'm also assuming the lack of cover glass is the reason why it doesn't say "Macbook Pro" on the bezel.

By the way, the screen looks amazing :)
Gorilla Glass 2 is supposedly both stronger and flexible. The use of multiple materials to combine to make a "plastic" is likely how they do it.

Technically glass is a liquid. Many windows in old Europe have slumped to the point of having large waves in them.

BTW when they released iPhone 1 and folks asked about servicing it, they stated they would exchange hardware rather than doing repairs. That meme has arrived to the top level MacBook Pro now. That was 2007.

Rocketman
 
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Hello! The Apple engineers are the real designers. Apple isn't like Dell, who buys off the shelf parts. Apple designs custom parts for all of their hardware. As a matter of fact, the retina display technology is patented by Apple. You can't just cram all those pixels into the same amount of area without having serious problems so they had to specifically engineer a way to do it.

The manufactures are just that...manufacturers. They receive the specs from Apple's engineers and make the displays.

You are wrong. Apple sends spec sheets to manufacturers and then tells them to provide the parts.
 
Not crazy about the new Macbook Pro

So, I'm sure this will get modded down, but it is definitely my honest opinion. I've been using apple's Imacs and laptops for the last 12 years, and have never had the compulsion to buy anything else. However a couple things about this new "engineering marvel" annoy me.

1. C.S. Lewis once said "Don't use words too big for the subject. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite." Words mean something and unfortunately when marketing a product, words are laid waste, for the cause of selling the product. The new Macbook Pro is definitely not an engineering marvel. And it is insulting our intelligence to promote it as so. The Pyramids, the Roman Aqueducts, even the International Space Station and all the equipment put together to get man to the moon and back, are all arguably engineering marvels. Each one of these achievements put in perspective the "engineering marvel" of the MacBook Pro. In 10 years there will be very few of these things around...

Whether or not this thing is even good engineering will be found out in 6 months or so, when the hype settles, and we determine the effectiveness and reliability of the components. Pretty design, yes. Engineering Marvel, no.

2. The upgrade ability of this product will keep me from purchasing it. I like something that just works, which is why I have used apple products for the last 12 years. They just work. However, I also like to save money when possible. If something breaks, I can save a good deal of money fixing it. I can also save a good deal of money upgrading RAM on my own. And then when it comes time to buy a new machine, I can make a little money taking the components apart and selling them to folks. It is easy for you to paint folks like me in a negative light, but the truth is, I like to save money where possible, and I like to get as much use out of a product as possible. When apple care runs out on this baby, you are out of luck...

3. Remember iphone 4 antennagate? Imagine, in 3 or 4 months if there is a design flaw exposed, especially in the screen, or even with the cooling capabilities, causing multiple components to fail. Given the past record of Apple in admitting their faults, do you really think they will be eager to replace a large amount of entire machines (because everything is so integrated) due to an engineering oversight? The tight integration of all these components could very much negatively affect even your support...

All in all, I'm not favorable of the new Macbook pro. It is cool, yes, but I'm skeptical... Thankfully my 2011 Macbook Pro, and my iMac have a few more years in them... I just hope they don't pull this on the next iMac release.
 
I don't know if its just me but I seriously do not like the idea of being limited to changing components.

Do you own a car? Can you change your car engine? Or how about a wind screen? Or hey, what happens when you need to fix a car ignition key?
 
So, I'm sure this will get modded down, but it is definitely my honest opinion. I've been using apple's Imacs and laptops for the last 12 years, and have never had the compulsion to buy anything else. However a couple things about this new "engineering marvel" annoy me.

1. C.S. Lewis once said "Don't use words too big for the subject. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite." Words mean something and unfortunately when marketing a product, words are laid waste, for the cause of selling the product. The new Macbook Pro is definitely not an engineering marvel. And it is insulting our intelligence to promote it as so. The Pyramids, the Roman Aqueducts, even the International Space Station and all the equipment put together to get man to the moon and back, are all arguably engineering marvels. Each one of these achievements put in perspective the "engineering marvel" of the MacBook Pro. In 10 years there will be very few of these things around...

Whether or not this thing is even good engineering will be found out in 6 months or so, when the hype settles, and we determine the effectiveness and reliability of the components. Pretty design, yes. Engineering Marvel, no.
It's called marketing. If you can't tell the difference between marketing rhetoric and literal rhetoric, I can see why you're confused.

2. The upgrade ability of this product will keep me from purchasing it. I like something that just works, which is why I have used apple products for the last 12 years. They just work. However, I also like to save money when possible. If something breaks, I can save a good deal of money fixing it. I can also save a good deal of money upgrading RAM on my own. And then when it comes time to buy a new machine, I can make a little money taking the components apart and selling them to folks. It is easy for you to paint folks like me in a negative light, but the truth is, I like to save money where possible, and I like to get as much use out of a product as possible. When apple care runs out on this baby, you are out of luck...
Sure, you can no longer sell parts, but to fault Apple for that is silly. That is not part of Apple's design goal.

3. Remember iphone 4 antennagate? Imagine, in 3 or 4 months if there is a design flaw exposed, especially in the screen, or even with the cooling capabilities, causing multiple components to fail. Given the past record of Apple in admitting their faults, do you really think they will be eager to replace a large amount of entire machines (because everything is so integrated) due to an engineering oversight? The tight integration of all these components could very much negatively affect even your support...

All in all, I'm not favorable of the new Macbook pro. It is cool, yes, but I'm skeptical... Thankfully my 2011 Macbook Pro, and my iMac have a few more years in them... I just hope they don't pull this on the next iMac release.
You're making assumptions based on something that hasn't happened yet. What flaw EXACTLY is there, and why EXACTLY do you think that will be a flaw?

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In summary, your criticisms are fallacious.
 
Do you own a car? Can you change your car engine? Or how about a wind screen? Or hey, what happens when you need to fix a car ignition key?

I'm not buying a car, I'm buying a laptop... Different class of products, with a different class of use..
 
A Marvel Apple will get credit for and not the real designer/manufacturer of the screen (Samsung, Sanyo, whoever it may be.)
who produces the screen ?
Samsung ? Sharp ? another company ?
Rumor is Sharp produces it.

....Seriously? If anybody knew anything about LCDs, they would have guessed LG.
(Remember who Apple worked with to develop the iPhone 4's display?)

And you know what? If anybody read the freakin' article, they would know it IS LG.

Not Sharp, not Samsung, not AU Optronics. LG. Got it?

PS: Sanyo doesn't even make panels. Last time I checked, they buy them from Sharp. Heck, even some of Samsung's consumer products use AU panels.
 
You make some good points, but what you might not have considered is that Dell offers far more models of products than Apple. Many of the products do not share parts. Apple on the other hand only makes a few different products. Dell also doesn't have products like the iPad, which many argue should be counted as a PC. If you count the iPad as a PC, Apple is the largest American manufacturer of PCs. This all relates to Apple's bulk purchasing power.

Further, Apple has zero debt and billions of dollars in the Bank. Consequently, Apple has more purchasing power to prepay for product.

In addition, Apple can leverage the success of products like the iPhone to get better pricing on items it needs for other products.

Finally, Dell might have pioneered the supply chain, but Apple has mastered it. Nobody manages inventory like Apple.



wrong about Dell. how does Dell not have the influence? Dell pioneered supply chain for computers, not apple, and Dell still has more influence.
they sell more total desktop+laptop machines than Apple. Dell does everything by cost bc its customers primarily value cost as the driving feature (large enterprise, federal and state governments, etc).
that's how the auto industry works. if a vehicle manufacturer acted like Apple and dictated the shape and size of every switch, every actuator, every door lock (you name it), then a compact car would cost $80,000. for Apple, their customers don't care about cost so focusing on design with higher costs works very well. for Dell, that would not work well because they would lose the competitive bidding process against HP for enterprise and government contracts.

suppliers are willing to do whatever you, as the assembler, want them to do as long as the price is right. hey man, if you are assembling a vehicle radio and your UID/UIS people don't like radio knobs with increments, but rather wants the knob to turn smooth with an infinite # of angles, then Supplier A would give you a quote of $40,000 for the tooling change. this might raise the price of the head unit by $0.40. multiply that by the number of units you sell and that's your added cost you have to either eat, or increase the price to account for it. eating cost is a last resort, so chances are they will pass it off to the customer in the showroom in the form of a price hike. that price hike then could make or break the competitive position of the vehicle against others in its class

if you are in product development as you say you are, you know that the general rule of thumb is for every $0.10 in cost you add to the product, you add $1.00 to the selling price. this is why Apple's products are so expensive to begin with, which is then pushed up even more to create additional profit margin to account for lower sales numbers. this is why Apple's cash on hand skyrocketed out of control from 2008 until now. their profit margins were set to be based on X sales per quarter. they kept those profit margins even when sales kept doubling and doubling over each other and again after that from 2009, to 2010, to 2011, 2012 etc. Apple is still able to maintain the higher prices despite the fact that electronics (mainly flash based memory and screens) is experiencing a cliff based drop off in prices. eventually though, the disparity between the cost of the components and the selling price will be so drastic that Apple will need to lower the prices
 
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