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The only thing that will impress me with laptop displays is when they fit a RGB backlight into an assembly this small.
Otherwise it's just a compromise in performance for resolution.
Just like the megapixel wars in cameras.
 
I'm having second thoughts on my retina MBP order. From reading this, it appears the lack of a stand alone frame and glass layer decreases the strength significantly.
 
Something has to give. In other words, if people keep wanting thinner and lighter products, then the overall quality of the product may have to suffer in the process. I'm not saying this has happened, but eventually I think the overall structural integrity of a Apple computer will suffer.
 
I had the same question until I went to the Apple store, You kind of have to see it to understand.

The screen has no covering glass so when you press hard enough, the LCD ripples like a traditional desktop LCD monitor. However, it is harder than a traditional unprotected LCD so it kind of feels like there is still glass there and requires more pressure to get that ripple effect. I've never seen anything constructed like it and I'm really interested in how they made an LCD with without glass still look like an edge to edge black surface.

I'm also assuming the lack of cover glass is the reason why it doesn't say "Macbook Pro" on the bezel.

By the way, the screen looks amazing :)

Thanks for the reply.

I guess it really is a 'engineering marvel' if they can get it to look so good, so thing and with no glass! I too would presume that's why it doesn't say 'Macbook Pro'.

How is the bezel? Is it much smaller than the previous gen. 15"? I have the unibody 17" and the bezel is perfect proportion, however I think the 15" bezel if 10mm too thick.
 
Another forum member posted in an ongoing MBP-R related thread that he was returning his MBP-R precisely because the display was an integral element and could not be swapped out or replaced.
Obviously there is a distinct lack of knowledge in the post above. One who fails to understand how laptops are built.

If you have a current conventional MBP, and the display goes out, it's only $241.00 to buy the display and install it yourself. A job I have done very easily. If you want it done for you, it's still less than $300.00

That's my point, the display is not available separately for the MBP_R since it's now glued / bonded into the top of the laptop. I did NOT say it could not be replaced.

The poster above obviously didn't read my post.

I correctly stated the _display_ could not be replaced, instead one has to buy what will undoubtedly be a very expensive _assembly_ which consists of the display which is bonded into the cover of the laptop.

The point? Apple is driving up the price of their products by taking these kinds of measures.

When we vote with our money and buy them, we are telling Apple we are willing to take the hit, spend more money, and for what? A laptop that is fractions of an inch thinner and only a pound lighter?

It's this kind of FUD spread by posters here that don't read the original posts, but instead are out to attack and spew their venom that causes friction in the forum.



sources:
15" LCD Screen for Apple MacBook Pro with LED Backlight
Retail price: $240.99
https://www.etechparts.com/15-LCD-Screen-for-Apple-MacBook-Pro-LED-p/822-2010.ht

15" LCD Screen for Apple MacBook Pro with LED Backlight - Installed.
Retail Price: $289.00
http://www.techrestore.com/xcart/cart.php?xid=394f9a54ae92b561e804ffc5ad626c26
 
While not user replaceable, you have to admit, the engineering and R&D that went into this is impressive. Far more impressive than any other consumer electronics company.
 
A Marvel Apple will get credit for and not the real designer/manufacturer of the screen (Samsung, Sanyo, whoever it may be.)
 
The only thing that will impress me with laptop displays is when they fit a RGB backlight into an assembly this small.
Otherwise it's just a compromise in performance for resolution.
Just like the megapixel wars in cameras.

Engineering is always a compromise, and WRT the megapixel wars, Nikon D800/800E, D3200 and Sony NEX7 nicely defy conventional wisdom.
 
Another forum member posted in an ongoing MBP-R related thread that he was returning his MBP-R precisely because the display was an integral element and could not be swapped out or replaced.

Obviously there is a distinct lack of knowledge in the post above. One who fails to understand how laptops are built.

If you have a current conventional MBP, and the display goes out, it's only $241.00 to buy the display and install it yourself. A job I have done very easily. If you want it done for you, it's still less than $300.00

That's my point, the display is not available separately for the MBP_R since it's now glued / bonded into the top of the laptop. I did NOT say it could not be replaced.

The poster above obviously didn't read my post.

I correctly stated the _display_ could not be replaced, instead one has to buy what will undoubtedly be a very expensive _assembly_ which consists of the display which is bonded into the cover of the laptop.

The point? Apple is driving up the price of their products by taking these kinds of measures.

When we vote with our money and buy them, we are telling Apple we are willing to take the hit, spend more money, and for what? A laptop that is fractions of an inch thinner and only a pound lighter?

It's this kind of FUD spread by posters here that don't read the original posts, but instead are out to attack and spew their venom that causes friction in the forum.
Guess we know who jmoore5196 was talking about...
 
Well then the repair part becomes the entire top case assembly. It's faster and easier for a service tech in the US to just replace the whole thing as one unit and send the bad ones somewhere cheaper for remanufacturing or recycling,
 
I guess I'm just not susceptible to this collective orgasm :confused:

Yes, it's a leap forward in laptop display technology, but seriously, how is it so much more advanced than the MacBook Air screen, besides in pixel density?? Not counting the wafer-thin aluminum front bezel, the display on my Air is barely 2.5mm thick.

but it's wafer thin!
 

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The poster railed against "locked down" design ... a concern I cannot understand and do not share.

You can't "understand" it? I can see disagreeing with it, but it doesn't seem challenging to at least understand the sentiment.

I choose my participation in locked-down vs open on a case-by-case basis. The R-MBP is a case where I will likely be satisfied with locked down.
 
This is going to be a great, great success.

And I'm glad about the "no glass panel in front of the screen - no glare".
 
When's the last time anyone tracked down a bad component on a motherboard or power supply or video card and FIXED it. No, we swap the whole component now. This is a continuation on this theme. If anything happens in the upper half of the MacBook Pro Retina (or I suspect the MacBook Air) they will just swap out the whole assembly. It's cheaper to replace it than paying a Tech to try to fix it. This meant that there was no reason to make it repairable. Other engineering constraints took priority.
 
"iFixit actually broke the LCD in the process of trying to disassemble it, noting that anyone looking to replace their display would need to replace the entire assembly"

engineering marvel? times have changed - kids will buy just about anything these days.

as for the delays on the Apple store - most people know they do not account for much, Apple just does not have the capacity HP and Dell have... If you get overwhelmed with 4 million units a quarter.
 
Another forum member posted in an ongoing MBP-R related thread that he was returning his MBP-R precisely because the display was an integral element and could not be swapped out or replaced.

The poster railed against "locked down" design ... a concern I cannot understand and do not share.

That's the official story. The unofficial story is that his wife kicked him hard after spending £1799 on a new computer when the previous one was still working fine, and all credit cards already close to maxed out :D


Well then the repair part becomes the entire top case assembly. It's faster and easier for a service tech in the US to just replace the whole thing as one unit and send the bad ones somewhere cheaper for remanufacturing or recycling,

iFixit broke the LCD display because they hadn't figured out yet how it was constructed. They thought they were removing the glass cover - but there wasn't one. No wonder they broke it. The next time that won't happen because now they know there is no glass to remove. Even so, the question isn't whether you can _remove_ the LCD without breaking it, the question is whether you can _put in a new one_ without breaking it.
 
As there is no front glass, how is the screen 'protected'? I mean, the previous generations have glass to almost prevent damage from scratches etc. Does it still have a glass element to it or is it more lift a standard LCD 'finish'?

Interesting point though, in fairness, if the top "protective" glass is scratched, the display is still pretty much bricked.. even with previous models, my understanding has been that the cost of fixing the display was generally higher than just getting a new machine.
 
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