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Put the faceID tech at the base of the screen just above the keyboard, then use the webcam for eye contact, voila, faceID in a mac?
 
Oh and the FaceID kit could just fit in the main body above the 6 Key - iPhone face ID works pretty much flat On a table and swiping up.
 
Then what's up with all the "Identical Twins vs Face ID" videos on YouTube? I've yet to find one where Face ID didn't work on the other twin (or even a similar looking sibling). Maybe you're confusing yourself with Touch ID, where their fingerprints are actually different?

Even Apple seems to acknowledge this:
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108)
Yeah that’s what I said, Apple makes it clear that FaceID doesn’t work with identical twins.
 
it is in the iPhone so how difficult can it be to put into a screen. Yes - thickness and all but on a desktop monitor / iMac I couldn't care less how thick the screen is. It sits on the desk with its back to the wall.
 
the problem with the notch (aside from being exceedingly ugly) is that it's right in the middle of the menubar. for those of us who use iStats (or other similar utilities), it's very easy to populate the menubar past the middle, where the notch is in the way.

imho, display areas should really be clean rectangular areas, with straight edges and no cutouts or notches. so yeah, i'd rather have a bezel & no notch.
I use iStat Menus and I’m not remotely bothered by the notch. I also don’t really see it on iPhone either, it just melts away because I’m focused on what I’m doing, it worrying about my hardware.

I’d rather have a notch and a little more usable screen area over no notch. :)
 
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Windows Hello also use a 3D technology, so a normal picture cannot bypass the security mechanisms.

My org disables Windows Hello by policy due to it being too easy to spoof. More than fine in a home environment, but it’s not good enough for enterprise or any actual security.
 
Face ID needs to evolve in iPhone first

I understand the one used in current iPhones/iPads needs some "thickness" in the device which MBs screen doesn't have so maybe we have to wait till this system can be set under-screen or someway that it doesn't need the components in their actual form factor, cause even if we see punch-holes or the sensors being entirely placed in the iPhone's superior edge that wouldn't fit to MBs
 
My org disables Windows Hello by policy due to it being too easy to spoof. More than fine in a home environment, but it’s not good enough for enterprise or any actual security.
I have read some cases of Windows Hello being spoofed, but they have been fixed with security updates. Do you have links with details on how Windows Hello is not good enough from a security POV, or showing how easy is to spoof Windows Hello?
 
#sigh. it's not thinner that the *macbook screen*. Do try to keep up.


BEcause it adds nothing to the interaction on the Mac?

I wasn’t quoting the article, I was following its logic. The iMac is mentioned as not having FaceID because Apple doesn’t have the technology to do it. Do keep up.
 
So why the need to push the dam notch! That was and still is a BIG MISTAKE! Clearly the next gen iPhone will have a much smaller unit, as such the HUGE chasm will clearly not be needed!

I was ready to buy two systems, but the notch just gets in the way. Apple fix your display so the menu bar can be placed below the notch fully with a single display option setting. And not this full shrinkage setting per app. Who ever approved this god awful design should find a new home over in Dell-ville or other Windoze maker. Clearly they don't belong here in Apple land!

To add to it looking through the iFixit teardown's it does appear some better engineering could have made this all work without the notch at all. Yes, the upper edge bezel would have been a bit bigger but not as much as the notch takes. Besides, having it a bit bigger makes your fingerprints not get into the displays screen space. Just better ergonomically designed!
 
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Then they will have to find a place for this assembly behind the screen:
Just pushing the limits of 'Thin' this time in the display assembly.

BTW - There have been reports of damaged screens as the displays frame structure is not as rigid as in the older design. So with Intel we got cooking of the T-CON's and now we have fracturing screens from bangs that was tolerated in the older models.
 
Is there a reason why people shouldn’t care about face ID?
I think its mostly marketing that is dictating it. I'm happy with TouchID my self, but I guess the few seconds more it takes to log-in bothers people if they are constantly getting up from their system. I tend to stay put and active so I don't encounter issues.

I think Apple has to rethink things a bit, because where your system is also has a great bearing on how deep your security needs to be. Then there is VoiceID Siri can already tell your family members apart. Maybe this is a better option than FaceID.
 
Just pushing the limits of 'Thin' this time in the display assembly.

BTW - There have been reports of damaged screens as the displays frame structure is not as rigid as in the older design. So with Intel we got cooking of the T-CON's and now we have fracturing screens from bangs that was tolerated in the older models.
Aren’t the latest displays thicker than the prior design?
 
Is it already thinner than an iPhone?

I don’t understand this. Why do we need flimsy laptops?
It's already much thinner than an iPhone. If you look at the display on any of the recent-ish MacBook Pros in unibody from the side you'll see how thin they are, especially if you discount the Aluminum chassis.

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In a mask driven world, faceid is a pain.

Much much prefer touchid.
The Apple Watch already makes unlocking the phone nearly instant. So it's really not an issue if you have an Apple Watch. And the latest update is going to make Face ID work with masks. So it's going to be a non-issue soon.
 
then...then make the screen thicker?
Yes, I agree with you, this is my thought too. Apple's "thin is in" ideology has gone too far. First they took out most of the useful ports, and now they want to make the screens thinner but keep a thicker notch in the center just for the camera?

It would make a lot more sense for Apple to make a thicker screen, even if it adds a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a pound to the weight of the machines. Technology needs to keep moving forward; FaceID is much more advanced than TouchID and there are many applications for it on computers, in addition to on mobile devices. I cannot believe that the technology for FaceID on computers does not exist, Apple must have at least a few prototypes in development, especially since they added a notch to the newer machines. Although, I am thinking that Apple may want to wait until they can put FaceID behind the display without a notch, similarly to what they are doing for the iPhone, and hopefully iPad
 
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The notch doesn't bother me but couldn't faceID go in the black bezel at the bottom of the screen and then a punch hole camera at the top? I have a 16" MBP M1 and just to reiterate, I don't notice the notch
 
I think the question boils down to this, what would macbook owners want/prefer in their next macbook, a slightly thicker macbook that incoporates FaceID or not have facid but a thinner macbook?
 
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