Teen iPhone Ownership Continues to Soar

[WeLikeVodka]

Well thank you for sharing your feelings.

I don’t care lol. I do encourage people I know to get iPhones but i genuinely couldn’t care less what you’re using. Your money to waste is all I say.

That said I do notice (especially on here) it is Android fans who get bothered when someone criticizes is.

Please tell me how someone buying an iPhone is different than buying an android other than Os preference?

The only one putting Apple on some pedestal you’re claiming are people who make statements like you have.

For future reference, I’d gladly still be using my Lumia which was better design and camera and I preferred the Os than iPhone and most definitely Android but alas here we are.

My soul was already lost long before birth 🤣😂

Never said they were the best for everyone but the ecosystem certainly is stronger than Android lmao.

Personal attack I’ll ignore. Your feelings are valid.


And apple still makes more profit on Macs than most other OEMs. Which was my point.

You also might want to recheck your facts on Mac market share.


Still more popular than android tablets. Again which was my point.


No we aren’t.

And this whole part is false . Because nobody is buying a $200 android tablet to do the same things they would do in an iPad.

Lmao.

Even Android fans don’t use Android tablet.

I technically still do use Android myself. When I got my phone carrier they kept pushing this crappy Android tablet.

It runs Android 12 (lmao) and has 1 gb of ram.

I only use it for when I go in the shower for podcasts and on flights for Netflix lmao.

Got catch ‘em all.

Never said it was a flex but it certainly is fun for me

I mean I’m not that paranoid. So that’s fine.

If they want to collect a profile on me about how much true crime I watch, the amount of bourbon I buy and the shoes and clothes I get often go for it.

I’m sure I probably look like an alcoholic budding serial killer in the making who is fashionable to big tech companies.

Lmaoo 🤣😂

I also hope you don’t use Google or any of their services or product bc that would be highly ironic.

I mean to be fair, I’m successful without anything social media related lol.

Also I don’t think I’m better using message or consider myself flexing. Again these are all assumptions you made.

But I digress.

Idk man earlier you were throwing shade at the "green bubble crowd" kind of a sneaky manner but I digress. It does highlight how broken sms is, but also how weasel-like apple is.

OS preference is a personal thing but you're clearly backtracking now because you were stating iphones are better as if it's an objective fact (which is backed up by you saying apple ecosystems are just better).

Anyway, addressing your arguments: last time I checked Mac market share was in sharp decline (sales dropped by like 20% last time I checked) and it shows because no one really cares about laptop videos the way they used to - we are at the endgame here. Apple products outside North America are seeing a sharp decline in general because of protectionist policies, Chinese phones becoming easier to acquire, Chinese stores opening up warehouses in Europe, and sharp price increases for apple products, especially in the EU.

idk about android tablets but you use a tablet to watch content and let your kid play games. It does have some other niche cases, but they don't represent the masses the ipad pro is being marketed towards, and it shows.

Overall I don't see how Apple is in a good position. It's nothing personal but you're seeing tech like it's 2012 and Lumias are still being sold

 

[Mousse]

I'm hearing ya, but doesn't every single person on this website agree with each other that iPhone and Apple are the greatest and no other device can compete?

Yuge Nope, here. If Apple stops breaking jailbreak, I might reconsider. But so long as I can't install a firewall on my phone that phone is worthless to me. Having a firewall is *my* deal breaker. I want control--as much as I can get--over the network traffic on my phone. Having zero control over traffic on an always connected device? That's walking on Lego barefooted masochism.😬

 

[turbineseaplane]

Most of my devices are from Apple, and I don't have anything against them. However, I've also worked with other devices and services, and I've noticed that some of them are actually as good, or better than what Apple offers.

This is how I feel now.

I'd be fine with an iPhone or something else ... and don't really feel pulled in any particular direction other than "I already have an iPhone Mini" ... and nothing else "small-ish" exists.

If there was a reasonable Android phone that was smaller, I'd switch with no issue.

 

[I7guy]

At the end, it looks like the study highlights young people do not care about Apple devices, a part from the iPhone. And most of them use non-Apple services. Like I said before, Apple should care about this.

Agree.

Yes. It appears teens are enthusiastic about the iPhones but not so much of other services. Most teens said they would purchase an iPhone as their next device.

Like I said, Apple cares they have the hardware and can enroll in Apple services at any time. Imo it’s not an issue that people use non-Apple services. They are usually called third party apps.

 

[DanVM]

I have never heard (both from selling devices and just bc I’m around that demographic) young people complain about their iPhones, Macs, iPads, AirPods etc etc lmao.

I know it is difficult for a lot of people to accept but there is a reason why Apple has a brand loyalty with iPhone that no other manufacturer has.

especially since Android is there and theoretically has way more devices and choices.

That’s why iPhones are the dominant force in the Us bc they at one time were considered the it item to have since it was exclusive to a carrier for years and then it became the default standard of iPhones.

Same with Apple Watches and AirPods.

Even people who don’t have AirPods revert to their wireless headphones as AirPods.

It’s similar to droids. I remember when I had the actual droid phones (I cringe at my Android days lol) and everyone was calling their Android phones droids bc it became synonymous with what Android phones were even if their Android wasn’t a droid.

I do often daily hear people complaining
About their galaxy and other Android devices.

Do young people not complain about their Apple devices because they don't have issues, or because they just don't talk about them? Personally, I've had two problems with my AirPods Pro: they often don't connect, and they make a crackling noise when noise canceling or transparency is on. Since I don't complain with anyone about this, you would say that my experience is excellent, when in reality, I'm having issues. My point is that, just because you don't hear people complaining doesn't mean there aren't problems. If you check Apple forums, you'll see plenty of people talking about issues with Apple devices, just like with Android devices you heard of. From what I have seen, both have their own set of problems.

As far as other products and services being better….

Nobody outside education uses chronebooms and Microsoft is always being criticized for windows while Macs seem to be doing well.

Android tablets suck royally so iPads are unchallenged.

AirPods and beats are still the de facto standard for wireless headphones.

Spotify is really the only competitor to Apple Music and it’s not that Apple Music is better or Spotify is better. Oeoe
Can’t easily switch bc their music and playlists is tied to one or the other.

The list can go on and on

I agree that most Chromebooks are used in educational settings, but they still offer many benefits compared to what Apple provides for this type of environment. And while Windows often gets criticized, it has many advantages over macOS. I use both environments daily, and they are both excellent, though each has its issues. In my opinion, there's no perfect OS.

I haven't used Android tablets, but I did have a Surface Pro 4, which had many advantages over iPads.

AirPods and Beats are very popular, but if you're after sound quality, you should look at brands like Sony, B&W, or B&O.

I have Apple music because offers better sound quality. However, Spotify provides a better overall experience, and in my case, Spotify Connect works better than AirPlay 2.

 

[DanVM]

Except iPads are extremely popular.

AirPods are extremely popular.

Apple Watches are popular.

Macs seem popular.

Apple Music has a 30
Percent market share here in Us affording to a quick search.

So…..here in the Us they have nothing to worry about.

Apple also outside of the Us isn’t the dominant player in most market but it is the most profitable player compared to its competitors.

So again nothing to worry about.

Just look at Mac vs windows.

Android sells way more iPhones yet Apple is more profitable.

Market share isn’t everything. And as of now Apple has nothing to worry about. And I don’t for see a time where people will start using Android in the states over iPhones as the majority.

That will be a nightmare

That's the same mentality they had with AI and Siri, nothing to worry. Now look how they are doing with AI / Siri compared to the competition. Do you think they should worry now, or should they wait a little longer?

And why it's a nightmare if most people here start using Android? The only issue I have is texting to Android devices, and now a lot of people I know is moving to WhatsApp. Apart from that, it doesn't affect my iPhone experience.

 

[DanVM]

No documentation on hand, but monitor your network traffic or set up a local streaming service. There may be cached packets that stream from the publisher device to the receiver depending on the stream type, but when possible, they avoid using the publisher device as a rendering server. This maybe faulty intuition on my part because I don’t have a third party AirPlay 2 device to test with, but one example that I find hard to explain otherwise is casting YoutubeMusic initially from iPhone to home tv+homepod setup, using apple watch for playback controls while phone charges, phone installs updates without playback disruption. I don’t know how this would be possible if the phone was still actively pushing packets over the air.

I use my iPhone with my receiver, and when it turns off, Apple Music stops playing after a few seconds. This do not happens when play music with Spotify Connect. It just keeps playing.

Maybe AirPlay 2 works differently with non-Apple devices.

 

[scorpio vega]

Idk man earlier you were throwing shade at the "green bubble crowd" kind of a sneaky manner but I digress.

I mean if my shade bothered you that’s unfortunate.

It does highlight how broken sms is, but also how weasel-like apple is.

I’ve never had an issue with sms. I disabled rcs. And if Apple creating a program like iMessage that Google had tried to do with Android and failed (Google plus and hangouts) and Microsoft couldn’t make work with windows phone that Apple doesn’t want to (and shouldn’t have to) share with other platforms makes them a weasel that’s fine.

Rcs still sucks and even Android users acknowledge this.

OS preference is a personal thing but you're clearly backtracking now because you were stating iphones are better as if it's an objective fact (which is backed up by you saying apple ecosystems are just better).

I believe it is a fact and the ecosystem is better.

It’s okay if you disagree.

Anyway, addressing your arguments: last time I checked Mac market share was in sharp decline (sales dropped by like 20% last time I checked) and it shows because no one really cares about laptop videos the way they used to - we are at the endgame here

And Apple still is making a huge profit on Mac’s compared to windows and Chromebook OEMs. Which was my point.

Apple products outside North America are seeing a sharp decline in general because of protectionist policies, Chinese phones becoming easier to acquire, Chinese stores opening up warehouses in Europe, and sharp price increases for apple products, especially in the EU.

If you look at stats, iPhones are usually occupying the top 10 world wide phones sold.

You’ll also notice that when it’s a non iPhone in the top 10 it’s almost always never a high end android but a lower end android.

That’s not shocking when the phones that are selling are cheap androids not flagships lol.

idk about android tablets but you use a tablet to watch content and let your kid play games. It does have some other niche cases, but they don't represent the masses the ipad pro is being marketed towards, and it shows.

I actually use my iPad for productivity when I don’t want to use my Mac.

If I wanted to just watch tv, sure my cheap android would be fine but an android is not good for any type of productivity.

Overall I don't see how Apple is in a good position. It's nothing personal but you're seeing tech like it's 2012 and Lumias are still being sold

No I said I’d prefer to use my Lumia but it’s irrelevant.

Apple is fine as of right now. Android certainly is not dimming Apple profits and success. Apple intelligence aside of course.

If Apple stops breaking jailbreak, I might reconsider.

I really wish ppl would stop trying to lake iOS like Android. Just use Android and be happy.

breaker. I want control--as much as I can get--over the network traffic on my phone. Having zero control over traffic on an always connected device? That's walking on Lego barefooted masochism.😬

Again isn’t that what Android is for.

That’s like me getting an Android and wishing for a strong ecosystem and quality Os that’s updated regularly and the apps don’t suck.

That’s why I got iPhone.

Do young people not complain about their Apple devices because they don't have issues, or because they just don't talk about them

Anecdotal but I worked and sold mobile for years and I rarely hear any major complaints about iPhones.

Rarely had them returned.

Androids had returned by the boatload. For one reason or another.

Also teens usually view iPhones as cheap/knock offs which I can’t completely disagree with personally as I thought the same when I was a teen.

I’m aware that Android CAN DO better things in some areas but I always say androids a jack of all trades and a master of none and it’s nothing special.

But hey at least you can change fonts and icons 🤣😂🥸

If you check Apple forums, you'll see plenty of people talking about issues with Apple devices, just like with Android devices you heard of. From what I have seen, both have their own set of problems.

Most Apple complaints I read on Apple forums really from Android fans trying to make it demand iOS work like Android.

Or Apple haters which cracks me up bc why hang on an Apple website to be negative.

iOS fans like Myself rarely complain and when we do it’s usually assistance for help for a bug or hardware issue.

 

[scorpio vega]

That's the same mentality they had with AI and Siri, nothing to worry. Now look how they are doing with AI / Siri compared to the competition. Do you think they should worry now, or should they wait a little longer?

And why it's a nightmare if most people here start using Android? The only issue I have is texting to Android devices, and now a lot of people I know is moving to WhatsApp. Apart from that, it doesn't affect my iPhone experience.

When did I say wait and see? As much as I hate AI and wished it would die as I find it ridiculius, Apple did fumble badly with Apple intelligence.

1. I’m on an Apple website lol I’m here to discuss Apple not debate with Android fans on iOS

2. I personally prefer iMessage so it is annoying talking to Android users and I refuse to download another app because why should I bc you chose to use Android

3. I don’t for see Android ever overtaking iOS in the states. No time soon.

 

[DanVM]

Yes. It appears teens are enthusiastic about the iPhones but not so much of other services. Most teens said they would purchase an iPhone as their next device.

Like I said, Apple cares they have the hardware and can enroll in Apple services at any time. Imo it’s not an issue that people use non-Apple services. They are usually called third party apps.

Like I mentioned earlier, Apple really does care about services. If they didn't, they wouldn't have invested in them. But right now, most young people just ignore them, and from what I've seen, that's not changing anytime soon. I suppose they need to accept that, at least, young people prefer iPhones.

Also, I understand the use of the term "3rd party apps." However, in this case, I'm specifically talking about services, not apps. For example, I wouldn't say a teen is using Apple mail services when they're using the iOS mail app to connect to Gmail or Outlook.com. That's why I use the term "services." I also consider that a lot of young people have Windows and gaming consoles, but very few use them to access Apple services. But if it works for you, let's use 3rd party apps from now on.

 

[DanVM]

Anecdotal but I worked and sold mobile for years and I rarely hear any major complaints about iPhones.

Rarely had them returned.

Androids had returned by the boatload. For one reason or another.

Also teens usually view iPhones as cheap/knock offs which I can’t completely disagree with personally as I thought the same when I was a teen.

I’m aware that Android CAN DO better things in some areas but I always say androids a jack of all trades and a master of none and it’s nothing special.

But hey at least you can change fonts and icons 🤣😂🥸

I've been an iPhone user since the 3GS back in 2009, so I don't have any experience with Android devices. Lately, though, the iPhone doesn't feel special anymore, the same way you describe Android devices. Aside from camera improvements, there haven't been any changes that enhance my experience or workflow. It seems like the upcoming upgrades won't be any different either. Before I replace my devices every two years. This time I had my device for four because there were not enough improvements to replace my device. Based in your description, I don't see that much difference with my iPhone. Maybe we are at the peak of what the iPhone and Android could do. Who knows...

Most Apple complaints I read on Apple forums really from Android fans trying to make it demand iOS work like Android.

Or Apple haters which cracks me up bc why hang on an Apple website to be negative.

iOS fans like Myself rarely complain and when we do it’s usually assistance for help for a bug or hardware issue.

Most of the complaints you mentioned are on social media or similar websites. However, I was referring to the Apple support forums. These are Apple customers, including loyal fans, who are experiencing issues with their devices. From what I've seen there, many people are having problems with Apple devices, just like with Android. It seems like there's no perfect mobile OS or device.

 

[I7guy]

Like I mentioned earlier, Apple really does care about services. If they didn't, they wouldn't have invested in them.

Apple cares about services like car dealers wanting to sell you a car. If you don’t buy the top of the line Honda accord is the dealership’s going to run home and cry in their pillow? Same with Apple, once a customer has an iPhone there is the potential for future revenue.

But right now, most young people just ignore them, and from what I've seen, that's not changing anytime soon. I suppose they need to accept that, at least, young people prefer iPhones.

That iPhone is all the rage with teens. Apple does more than accept that. They probably jump with joy.

Also, I understand the use of the term "3rd party apps." However, in this case, I'm specifically talking about services, not apps. For example, I wouldn't say a teen is using Apple mail services when they're using the iOS mail app to connect to Gmail or Outlook.com. That's why I use the term "services." I also consider that a lot of young people have Windows and gaming consoles, but very few use them to access Apple services. But if it works for you, let's use 3rd party apps from now on.

Sure teens may prefer Netflix over Apple TV+ or Spotify over Apple Music. Is Apple crying in their soup? Probably not. Billions of dollars of revenue cause iPhones are the teen craze and Apple isn’t happy about it?

 

[DanVM]

When did I say wait and see? As much as I hate AI and wished it would die as I find it ridiculius, Apple did fumble badly with Apple intelligence.

1. I’m on an Apple website lol I’m here to discuss Apple not debate with Android fans on iOS

2. I personally prefer iMessage so it is annoying talking to Android users and I refuse to download another app because why should I bc you chose to use Android

3. I don’t for see Android ever overtaking iOS in the states. No time soon.

I guess the reason you dislike AI is because your only experience has been with Apple Intelligence. That makes sense. You should try ChatGPT, Copilot, or other AI services—they're very useful. Apple Intelligence? Not so much.

1. Got it! Just so you know, you're talking to an Apple customer since 2009 who has never owned an Android device, so I can't be a fan of something I haven't tried. I also have many other Apple products.

2. I downloaded another app because it's what my friends use with Android devices use. I see no issues at all. Since you are annoyed texting to Android users, maybe you prefer to talk to them in person. Good for you!

3. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Who knows...

 

[I7guy]

I've been an iPhone user since the 3GS back in 2009, so I don't have any experience with Android devices. Lately, though, the iPhone doesn't feel special anymore, the same way you describe Android devices.

Different strokes for different folks. I’ve started with the iPhone 4 and now have the 15PM. Love using it an haven’t tired of it.

Aside from camera improvements, there haven't been any changes that enhance my experience or workflow.

Apple Intelligence and summarize messages and emails are very, very useful. Since they pulled it an reintroduced it in 18.4 it has gotten way better.

It seems like the upcoming upgrades won't be any different either. Before I replace my devices every two years. This time I had my device for four because there were not enough improvements to replace my device. Based in your description, I don't see that much difference with my iPhone. Maybe we are at the peak of what the iPhone and Android could do. Who knows...

I replace my device when I want. I waited 4 years to get the 15PM due to entropy. I just didn’t want to configure a new phone and move everything over. The corporate relate items are the worst, with the MDM.

Most of the complaints you mentioned are on social media or similar websites. However, I was referring to the Apple support forums. These are Apple customers, including loyal fans, who are experiencing issues with their devices.

Sure another truism. People have issues with personal, electronic devices. Some are mountains made of molehills, some are self-inflicted, but no denying people have issues.

From what I've seen there, many people are having problems with Apple devices, just like with Android. It seems like there's no perfect mobile OS or device.

No denying people have issues with personal electronic devices, even if cause by their own hand.

 

[scorpio vega]

I guess the reason you dislike AI is because your only experience has been with Apple Intelligence. That makes sense. You should try ChatGPT, Copilot, or other AI services—they're very useful. Apple Intelligence? Not so much.

As it stands, that’s probably why you shouldn’t guess. You guessed wrong 🤗

I’ve used various types of Ai services and I find AI gimmicky at best. I actually don’t use Apple intelligence.

It’s pointless and I’m ready for it to die.

1. Got it! Just so you know, you're talking to an Apple customer since 2009 who has never owned an Android device, so I can't be a fan of something I haven't tried. I also have many other Apple products.

Then the statement doesn’t apply to you

I downloaded another app because it's what my friends use with Android devices use. I see no issues at all. Since you are annoyed texting to Android users, maybe you prefer to talk to them in person. Good for you!

or I just deal with the green bubbles. I really don’t care lol.

What I do notice is the main issue with green bubbles is less an iOS user thing but an android thing bc android users have some weird complex about how they think iOS users view them.

While I prefer iMessage and those with iPhones, I largely don’t care if it is green.

The only people I see complaining are Android users.

That being said I’m not downloading apps. If they want to use something different get an iPhone.

My bf got an iPhone lol not bc I made him. One he hated his laggy android is but also bc he got tired of being left out of various things

3. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Who knows..

If the last 18 years proves anything, I’m likely right.

 

[DanVM]

Apple cares about services like car dealers wanting to sell you a car. If you don’t buy the top of the line Honda accord is the dealership’s going to run home and cry in their pillow? Same with Apple, once a customer has an iPhone there is the potential for future revenue.

That iPhone is all the rage with teens. Apple does more than accept that. They probably jump with joy.

Sure teens may prefer Netflix over Apple TV+ or Spotify over Apple Music. Is Apple crying in their soup? Probably not. Billions of dollars of revenue cause iPhones are the teen craze and Apple isn’t happy about it?

Yes, there's potential for future revenue, but it hasn't happened yet with Apple services. From what I have seen, Apple Music, Apple TV+ and Apple Arcade have not been that successful. Maybe iCloud, and because it's the only option to backup iOS devices.

I suppose Apple is thrilled with iPhone sales, but not so much with their services.

I don't think teens are crazy about the iPhone itself. It's the services and third-party apps that matter more. They use their iPhones for TikTok, Instagram, Gmail/Outlook, and games like CoD, Clash of Clans, Minecraft, and Fortnite. If they switched to another device, they'd still have access to those apps and services. On the other hand, if the iPhone didn't have those apps, would it be useful to them? I don't think so. My point is that apps and services make the iPhone valuable to young people. Apart from the device, Apple haven't made any other thing useful for them, and they should work to change this.

 

[I7guy]

I guess the reason you dislike AI is because your only experience has been with Apple Intelligence. That makes sense. You should try ChatGPT, Copilot, or other AI services—they're very useful. Apple Intelligence? Not so much.

For sure. My biggest usage of ChatGPT and copilot, grok a the like is debunking MR posters opinions as facts. Apple intelligence is much more useful for streamlining my workflow instead of a more intelligent google.

1. Got it! Just so you know, you're talking to an Apple customer since 2009 who has never owned an Android device, so I can't be a fan of something I haven't tried. I also have many other Apple products.

2. I downloaded another app because it's what my friends use with Android devices use. I see no issues at all. Since you are annoyed texting to Android users, maybe you prefer to talk to them in person. Good for you!

3. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Who knows...

 

[scorpio vega]

Most of the complaints you mentioned are on social media or similar websites. However, I was referring to the Apple support forums. These are Apple customers, including loyal fans, who are experiencing issues with their devices. From what I've seen there, many people are having problems with Apple devices, just like with Android. It seems like there's no perfect mobile OS or device

And that’s fine but I see way more complaints on Android support forums

I've been an iPhone user since the 3GS back in 2009, so I don't have any experience with Android devices. Lately, though, the iPhone doesn't feel special anymore, the same way you describe Android devices. Aside from camera improvements, there haven't been any changes that enhance my experience or workflow. It seems like the upcoming upgrades won't be any different either. Before I replace my devices every two years. This time I had my device for four because there were not enough improvements to replace my device. Based in your description, I don't see that much difference with my iPhone. Maybe we are at the peak of what the iPhone and Android could do. Who knows...

Because that’s what the masses are calling for. I personally don’t care about hardware redesigns.

I care about camera improvements.

It’s also why I have literally owned the same type of car the last 10 years (jeep wrangler) and they virtually are unchanged aesthetically wise

Sure teens may prefer Netflix over Apple TV+ or Spotify over Apple Music. Is Apple crying in their soup? Probably not. Billions of dollars of revenue cause iPhones are the teen craze and Apple isn’t happy about it?

Exactly. Ppl think because Apple isn’t number one they are failing lol. Allen is still the second most valued company with a mindshare and fan base even Microsoft doesn’t have even if they are they number one.

As much Android phones sold and Google search dominance and Google still doesn’t have apples mind share and loyalty

Different strokes for different folks. I’ve started with the iPhone 4 and now have the 15PM. Love using it an haven’t tired of it.

As an unfortunate android fan one time then webOs and a brief affair with blackberry then windows mobile/phone and iOS , I am loving it and I’m surprised it took me so long to get Into IOS ecosystem

Apple Intelligence and summarize messages and emails are very, very useful. Since they pulled it a reintroduced it in 18.4 it has gotten way better.

I personally don’t use Apple intelligence myself but when I did use it briefly I really had no issue with it.

I just find AI stupid lol.

 

[scorpio vega]

Yes, there's potential for future revenue, but it hasn't happened yet with Apple services. From what I have seen, Apple Music, Apple TV+ and Apple Arcade have not been that successful. Maybe iCloud, and because it's the only option to backup iOS devices.

Apple services each quarter grows so I’m confused as to why you think they’re failing just bc they aren’t getting Spotify’s market share.

I suppose Apple is thrilled with iPhone sales, but not so much with their services.

Of course they are. They have over 60 percent of the smartphone market share in the states

I don't think teens are crazy about the iPhone itself. It's the services and third-party apps that matter more.

American teens do you use Apple services though lol just not as much as Spotify Netflix or Hulu

They use their iPhones for TikTok, Instagram, Gmail/Outlook, and games like CoD, Clash of Clans, Minecraft, and Fortnite. If they switched to another device, they'd still have access to those apps and services. On the other hand, if the iPhone didn't have those apps, would it be useful to them? I don't think so.

Kids use AirPods. Kids use iPads. Kids use iPhones. Kids use Mac’s. Kids use Apple watch.

They all tie together perfectly so yes they care about their iPhone

Keep in mind this is also about Us teens.

They care about FaceTime and iMessage.

So yes they care about the iPhone.

Also what teen do you know that cares about Gmail or outlook lmao.

And Android apps are inferior quality to iOS apps. I know. I know. I used both

iPhone valuable to young people. Apart from the device, Apple haven't made any other thing useful for them, and they should work to change this.

For you. They haven’t made anything useful for you.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, there's potential for future revenue, but it hasn't happened yet with Apple services. From what I have seen, Apple Music, Apple TV+ and Apple Arcade have not been that successful. Maybe iCloud, and because it's the only option to backup iOS devices.

I suppose Apple is thrilled with iPhone sales, but not so much with their services.

I can’t imagine what runs through people’s heads. Here Apple is likely making billions on iPhone sales, but they are distressed because service revenue isn’t keeping up with the hardware sales? I think not.

I don't think teens are crazy about the iPhone itself. It's the services and third-party apps that matter more.

Doesn’t matter what the root cause of this hardware engagement is. It’s apple that is reaping the benefit. If from you’re point of view teens aren’t picking an iPhone because it’s the best, I say run with whatever explanation makes sense to you that teens like iPhones.

They use their iPhones for TikTok, Instagram, Gmail/Outlook, and games like CoD, Clash of Clans, Minecraft, and Fortnite.

Know what, and so do I as well as iMessage and FaceTime and airdrop.

If they switched to another device, they'd still have access to those apps and services.

But they haven’t switched to another phone maybe because they like the apple apps.

On the other hand, if the iPhone didn't have those apps, would it be useful to them? I don't think so.

What’s with the hypotheticals?

My point is that apps and services make the iPhone valuable to young people. Apart from the device, Apple haven't made any other thing useful for them, and they should work to change this.

In your opinion. I believe teens like iMessage and FaceTime, which is very useful. If you believe the iPhone is lacking for teens, give apple some feedback.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

I can’t imagine what runs through people’s heads. Here Apple is likely making billions on iPhone sales, but they are distressed because service revenue isn’t keeping up with the hardware sales? I think not.

I think it's more that the services are a part of a wider theme with Apple's software in general, i.e that it's garbage.

 

[DanVM]

As it stands, that’s probably why you shouldn’t guess. You guessed wrong 🤗

I’ve used various types of Ai services and I find AI gimmicky at best. I actually don’t use Apple intelligence.

It’s pointless and I’m ready for it to die.

You use different AI services and it's gimmicky for you, but that doesn't mean it is not useful for other people. Developers use it to code, business people use it for reports, summaries of documents and meetings, to create formulas and analyze spreadsheets in Excel. And these are just a few examples. Looks like AI is here to stay. And don't worry about Apple Intelligence. You are not the only one not using it.

or I just deal with the green bubbles. I really don’t care lol.

What I do notice is the main issue with green bubbles is less an iOS user thing but an android thing bc android users have some weird complex about how they think iOS users view them.

While I prefer iMessage and those with iPhones, I largely don’t care if it is green.

The only people I see complaining are Android users.

That being said I’m not downloading apps. If they want to use something different get an iPhone.

My bf got an iPhone lol not bc I made him. One he hated his laggy android is but also bc he got tired of being left out of various things

In your previous comment you said "I personally prefer iMessage so it is annoying talking to Android users...", but now you really don't care. Which one is it?

You also mentioned that "Android thing bc android users have some weird complex about how they think iOS users view them." Remember that you said you are annoyed talking to Android users. How do you expect them to react?

And if you only see Android people complaining, you should try to visit the Apple forums. Lot of people complaining of Apple devices.

 

[DanVM]

Apple Intelligence and summarize messages and emails are very, very useful. Since they pulled it an reintroduced it in 18.4 it has gotten way better.

The problem with Apple Intelligence is that other services, like Copilot, does a lot more than what Apple Intelligence does. For example, I can summarize emails, as you do with Apple Intelligence. But with Copilot I also summarize documents and even Teams meetings. I can analyze Excel spreadsheets and even helps creating formulas. I can tell PowerPoint to create a draft from a MS Word document. In OneDrive you can compare two documents and even ask questions about it. And there are a lot of other features. My experience with AI in my Apple devices is good because of MS, not because of Apple.

 

[scorpio vega]

You use different AI services and it's gimmicky for you, but that doesn't mean it is not useful for other people

Never said it wasn’t gimmicky for anyone but me

Looks like AI is here to stay. And don't worry about Apple Intelligence. You are not the only one not using it.

I mean if we base it off macrumors daily drama sure lol most of the everyday people using iPhones don’t seem to mind

In your previous comment you said "I personally prefer iMessage so it is annoying talking to Android users...", but now you really don't care. Which one is it?

I also don’t like wearing seatbelts or paying bills. I still do them.

Both can be true friend.

I do find it annoying Talking to android users. I also still talk to android users. I don’t care about a bubble color the way Android users try to trivialize Apple fans

How do you expect them to react?

Like mature adults without a napoleon complex

And if you only see Android people complaining, you should try to visit the Apple forums. Lot of people complaining of Apple devices.

I do visit Apple forums. It’s mainly Apple users who also use Android who complain

 

[scorpio vega]

The problem with Apple Intelligence is that other services, like Copilot, does a lot more than what Apple Intelligence does. For example, I can summarize emails, as you do with Apple Intelligence. But with Copilot I also summarize documents and even Teams meetings. I can analyze Excel spreadsheets and even helps creating formulas. I can tell PowerPoint to create a draft from a MS Word document. In OneDrive you can compare two documents and even ask questions about it. And there are a lot of other features. My experience with AI in my Apple devices is good because of MS, not because of Apple.

And that’s lovely for you. Some of us prefer first party apps and services over third party.

Glad it works for you I guess. Apple intelligence works justice fine for me even if I find AI stupid