High-end Android made me switch to an iPhone. So much more value for (potentially) even less money!
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High-end Android made me switch to an iPhone. So much more value for (potentially) even less money!
People still install roms? I see that most Android phones have unlockable bootloaders
Here in Europe nobody uses iMessage, the only messages I get there is spam. Everybody just uses WhatsApp. Same with Apples services, I never heard of anybody using Apple Music or even knowing what Apple TV+ is. Estimates say Apple has 4% video streaming marketshare in Germany which is hard to believe, I think it's maybe half that much.
I have yet to get my first spam message on WhatsApp and I have used it for almost 15 years. On iMessage I get spam every other month.
Samsung locked down their bootloader😠 tighter than the Pope's chastity belt, but the Chinese manufacturers still lets you unlock their bootloader. It's not as easy as decades past, but it's still possible.
You trade data harvesting for spam. It’s noteworthy that WhatsApp is the criminals choice of platform.
It will be interesting to see if really good midrange Android phones like the OnePlus 13R, Google Pixel 9a and Samsung Galaxy A36/A56 will start to cut into iPhone sales.
IMO, teens don’t care about what the persona of a typical MR poster cares about.
So I think not. “Good phones” to the consumer are totally subjective.
It seems like some young people are stuck with devices they don't really like.
Most of my devices are from Apple, and I don't have anything against them. However, I've also worked with other devices and services, and I've noticed that some of them are actually as good, or better than what Apple offers.
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This is why I think the Pixel 9a might actually be a good seller. And I believe WhatsApp and even Facebook Messenger have become popular as cross-platform communications packages regardless of phone model.
No.
Midrange android phones have *always* beaten Apple spec for spec. Going back to the iPhone 3GS days, this has always been true.
People do not care. Your regular everyday consumer does not care.
Your regular teenager or parent or grandparent or whatever with a busy life and a schedule who have very little knowledge about technology and how it works couldn’t give the slightest care about megapixels, refresh rates, LCD versus OLED, etc.
Of course, people on this website, who have knowledge about this stuff, who live and breathe this stuff, who literally know what a refresh rate is, are the people who are going to care.
They are not the majority though.
They are not the people walking into a carrier store with a five year-old iPhone 11, just asking what phone let sthem keep all of their photos, apps, and everything the same as it’s always been.
You know what these people do like? Familiarity. Simplicity. Continuity.
The fact that you can go from an iPhone 11 to an iPhone 16 and it works and functions basically identically on the face of it, that’s a benefit to most people. That’s what people like.
This statment will always be true. It’s a bit of weasel wording as it really doesn’t disprove the forum thread title - even with “some” young people being stuck with devices they don’t like.
Yes, better, best is highly subjective.
The key difference in spam on WhatsApp and iMessage is that in your case it’s likely someone had your number before or typed the wrong number in. Since your messages are coming through directly from iMessage which is usually tied to a number which is often tied to a Carrier.
I get those from time to time and it’s and clear that someone else used my number before I had it.
It’s not spam so much as just texts going to the wrong number.
I’m currently in a group chat for some companies work chat lol.
On WhatsApp it’s literally spam. As in trying to get me to click links. Etc etc.
Spam on WhatsApp is a common thing. I looked it up and it’s a common issue sadly.
Who’s debating, friend?
I forget people not liking green bibles is a sore topic for some people haha
I sometimes wonder if I still used Android would I care about iPhone users opinion on green bubbles?
Probably not. I did not care on the last 12 years I unfortunately used Android.
Oh. You must be quite famous to know everyone in Europe. I’m envious. I have a huge social media following myself and even idk everyone in the Us. Let alone my state.
That’s wild. Especially when estimates show that roughly 35 percent of people use iMessage in Uk.
Hmm.
As far as Apple Music goes, a quick search shows that while Spotify is the dominant platform of choice that Apple music is still in the second place. Germany itself is not the entirety of Europe.
I have never heard (both from selling devices and just bc I’m around that demographic) young people complain about their iPhones, Macs, iPads, AirPods etc etc lmao.
I know it is difficult for a lot of people to accept but there is a reason why Apple has a brand loyalty with iPhone that no other manufacturer has.
especially since Android is there and theoretically has way more devices and choices.
That’s why iPhones are the dominant force in the Us bc they at one time were considered the it item to have since it was exclusive to a carrier for years and then it became the default standard of iPhones.
Same with Apple Watches and AirPods.
Even people who don’t have AirPods revert to their wireless headphones as AirPods.
It’s similar to droids. I remember when I had the actual droid phones (I cringe at my Android days lol) and everyone was calling their Android phones droids bc it became synonymous with what Android phones were even if their Android wasn’t a droid.
I do often daily hear people complaining
About their galaxy and other Android devices.
As far as other products and services being better….
Nobody outside education uses chronebooms and Microsoft is always being criticized for windows while Macs seem to be doing well.
Android tablets suck royally so iPads are unchallenged.
AirPods and beats are still the de facto standard for wireless headphones.
Spotify is really the only competitor to Apple Music and it’s not that Apple Music is better or Spotify is better. Oeoe
Can’t easily switch bc their music and playlists is tied to one or the other.
The list can go on and on
Except iPads are extremely popular.
AirPods are extremely popular.
Apple Watches are popular.
Macs seem popular.
Apple Music has a 30
Percent market share here in Us affording to a quick search.
So…..here in the Us they have nothing to worry about.
Apple also outside of the Us isn’t the dominant player in most market but it is the most profitable player compared to its competitors.
So again nothing to worry about.
Just look at Mac vs windows.
Android sells way more iPhones yet Apple is more profitable.
Market share isn’t everything. And as of now Apple has nothing to worry about. And I don’t for see a time where people will start using Android in the states over iPhones as the majority.
That will be a nightmare
Honestly I hope your spelling and grammar are better than this at school. You aren't using Apple Intelligence writing tools are you?
Hmmmm. This sounds very very anecdotal.
That's EXACTLY the reason why users of older iPhones tend to trade to newer iPhone models. The familiarity of the user interaface (in general) upgrading to a new iPhone is a huge plus up upgraders. I mean, when I upgraded from my iPhone 12 to iPhone 16 Plus, the user interface was completely familiar to me already.
I must say I’m not very familiar with the UK, but in Germany, pretty much no one uses iMessage. WhatsApp is the standard. When Facebook bought WhatsApp around 15 years ago, some people tried to switch to alternatives – mostly Threema – but out of the hundreds of people I know, not a single private or business contact ever asked me to move to iMessage. After a few months, most people just went back to WhatsApp because too few made the switch.
Apple Music has only around 10% market share in Germany, and about 11% in France. So since this thread was comparing Apple’s popularity in phones and services, I think the point still stands.
You must really want my attention lol.
Hi Kevin. How are you friend? You seem very defensive over a discussion about teens and iPhones.
Pretty sure this was about the Us so no the point does not stand.
Never said it wasn’t.
Oh it is. Partially bc I don’t care enough about this conversation to go back and edit bc I’m failing to see why we are still conversing and partially bc I was deep in my vacation (aka a manhattan and Negroni). My apologies.
I'm going to be blunt, you need some self-reflection if you care that much about what other people are buying. Are you guys all okay over there?
Most people are buying iphones because phone ownership is still being treated as something incredibly personal even though we all know at this point how big tech is basically selling everyone's soul. That and it's what they grew up with, it's not like they're the best phones on the market.
edit: Scorpio Vega you are genuinely one of the most deluded and out of touch tech fans I've seen in quite some time. Macs are experiencing sharp drops after the covid spike because people don't need to upgrade every two years but you know damn well they want you to upgrade your laptop every year if possible. And maybe ipads are cool among the tech-obssessed crowd but current versions have some of the worst ROI known to man because apple doesn't know what to do with them.
The apple crowd is in shambles because people realized you can get a $200 tablet that does the same thing, this is different from Macs and iPhones where they have reasons to be bought at higher prices.
Your social media following is as relevant as my pokemon skills. Thankfully some people like me for example have grown past a certain age, which means we know having more Instagram followers is not the flex you think it is, especially when you're giving big tech more opportunities to sell your data, and apple is also a complice since they enable said platforms to sell your data while trying to weasel out with pr stunts like the move pulled against meta back in 2021.
Flexing yourself over iMessage exposes many things wrong with American exceptionalism. Of course you're gonna be successful with celebrity endorsements.
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No documentation on hand, but monitor your network traffic or set up a local streaming service. There may be cached packets that stream from the publisher device to the receiver depending on the stream type, but when possible, they avoid using the publisher device as a rendering server. This maybe faulty intuition on my part because I don’t have a third party AirPlay 2 device to test with, but one example that I find hard to explain otherwise is casting YoutubeMusic initially from iPhone to home tv+homepod setup, using apple watch for playback controls while phone charges, phone installs updates without playback disruption. I don’t know how this would be possible if the phone was still actively pushing packets over the air.
Well thank you for sharing your feelings.
That said I do notice (especially on here) it is Android fans who get bothered when someone criticizes is.
The only one putting Apple on some pedestal you’re claiming are people who make statements like you have.
For future reference, I’d gladly still be using my Lumia which was better design and camera and I preferred the Os than iPhone and most definitely Android but alas here we are.
You also might want to recheck your facts on Mac market share.
Still more popular than android tablets. Again which was my point.
And this whole part is false . Because nobody is buying a $200 android tablet to do the same things they would do in an iPad.
Lmao.
Even Android fans don’t use Android tablet.
I technically still do use Android myself. When I got my phone carrier they kept pushing this crappy Android tablet.
It runs Android 12 (lmao) and has 1 gb of ram.
I only use it for when I go in the shower for podcasts and on flights for Netflix lmao.
If they want to collect a profile on me about how much true crime I watch, the amount of bourbon I buy and the shoes and clothes I get often go for it.
I’m sure I probably look like an alcoholic budding serial killer in the making who is fashionable to big tech companies.
Lmaoo 🤣😂
I also hope you don’t use Google or any of their services or product bc that would be highly ironic.
Also I don’t think I’m better using message or consider myself flexing. Again these are all assumptions you made.
But I digress.
I don’t care lol. I do encourage people I know to get iPhones but i genuinely couldn’t care less what you’re using. Your money to waste is all I say.
That said I do notice (especially on here) it is Android fans who get bothered when someone criticizes is.
Please tell me how someone buying an iPhone is different than buying an android other than Os preference?
The only one putting Apple on some pedestal you’re claiming are people who make statements like you have.
For future reference, I’d gladly still be using my Lumia which was better design and camera and I preferred the Os than iPhone and most definitely Android but alas here we are.
My soul was already lost long before birth 🤣😂
Never said they were the best for everyone but the ecosystem certainly is stronger than Android lmao.
Personal attack I’ll ignore. Your feelings are valid.
And apple still makes more profit on Macs than most other OEMs. Which was my point.
You also might want to recheck your facts on Mac market share.
Still more popular than android tablets. Again which was my point.
No we aren’t.
And this whole part is false . Because nobody is buying a $200 android tablet to do the same things they would do in an iPad.
Lmao.
Even Android fans don’t use Android tablet.
I technically still do use Android myself. When I got my phone carrier they kept pushing this crappy Android tablet.
It runs Android 12 (lmao) and has 1 gb of ram.
I only use it for when I go in the shower for podcasts and on flights for Netflix lmao.
Got catch ‘em all.
Never said it was a flex but it certainly is fun for me
I mean I’m not that paranoid. So that’s fine.
If they want to collect a profile on me about how much true crime I watch, the amount of bourbon I buy and the shoes and clothes I get often go for it.
I’m sure I probably look like an alcoholic budding serial killer in the making who is fashionable to big tech companies.
Lmaoo 🤣😂
I also hope you don’t use Google or any of their services or product bc that would be highly ironic.
I mean to be fair, I’m successful without anything social media related lol.
Also I don’t think I’m better using message or consider myself flexing. Again these are all assumptions you made.
But I digress.
I'm hearing ya, but doesn't every single person on this website agree with each other that iPhone and Apple are the greatest and no other device can compete?