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well at least I downloaded the instructions and everything I need for when I can afford a Tesla. Mostly used Model 3 with the extended battery.
 
The lack of CarPlay, especially the future version of it, is probably the main reason I'm not looking at Tesla when replacing my current EV next year. Polestar, BMW or Mustang are all more likely candidates.
Mini Cooper has a good affordable EV. Though make sure you are getting the earlier models and not the newer one as they're jacking up the price on the new one.
 
The lack of CarPlay, especially the future version of it, is probably the main reason I'm not looking at Tesla when replacing my current EV next year. Polestar, BMW or Mustang are all more likely candidates.
Wow...your life decisions center around an app...
 
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Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Similarly, I'll often engage reverse as soon as I enter the car. This is what moves the seat forward and turns on the AC.
Nope, hitting the brakes is what turns the car 'on' which triggers climate and the easy entry seats to move.

While I'm waiting for the seat to move up, I'll adjust the AC (because the passenger side vent always turns off, no matter what you do).
this is some fault specific to your car. having 1 side of a vent turned off by default is not a normal tesla mode of operation.

Now the backup camera is gone, and I have to put the car in park, which starts moving the seat back, and then reverse, to get the camera to come back.
again, either a car-specific fault, or you're doing something wrong: easy entry seats only move when you're in park AND the seatbelt is unbuckled.

also, the Camera app (from launcher or shortcut) brings back rear-view camera at any time.
 
Mini Cooper has a good affordable EV. Though make sure you are getting the earlier models and not the newer one as they're jacking up the price on the new one.
Mini Cooper is one of the last brands you should be looking at when buying an EV actually, they've been slow to develop EVs and are far behind a lot of the other automakers. Also, it has very little range, making it pointless as you should be looking at replacing your main car at this point in time, and 110 miles simply won't do it.
 
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. I was in my Model 3 last night, waiting to turn, and someone called me. I couldn't answer the phone because the blindspot camera covers up the buttons to answer the phone.

Similarly, I'll often engage reverse as soon as I enter the car. This is what moves the seat forward and turns on the AC. While I'm waiting for the seat to move up, I'll adjust the AC (because the passenger side vent always turns off, no matter what you do). Now the backup camera is gone, and I have to put the car in park, which starts moving the seat back, and then reverse, to get the camera to come back.

Tesla's streaming service is garbage. I was listening to an hour long news program, and after 20 minutes I had to stop and get out of my car. I didn't even take my phone out of the car, but there's no way to leave the car "running". When I got back in minutes later, it started all over again at the beginning, with no way to FFW.

Tesla's UI is absolute garbage.
Your car does not behave like mine, then.

I have never noticed the passenger airflow turn off. Not once, in four years of ownership. Both sides always run, regardless of whether I have a passenger or not.

Engaging a gear is not what switches from Easy Entry to my driver profile, thereby moving the seat and wheel. Touching the brake pedal does.

Similarly, putting the car in Park does not switch the car to Easy Entry, nor does it move the seat. Unbuckling my seat belt is what does that. Do you engage a gear before fastening your seat belt? I would not do this as it's unsafe, but it could explain this behavior.

I don't use the car's interface for podcasts and such very often, but Spotify streaming is very reliable. Songs almost always pick up where they left off when I closed the car.

2018 Model 3 LR RWD
 
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Nope, hitting the brakes is what turns the car 'on' which triggers climate and the easy entry seats to move.


this is some fault specific to your car. having 1 side of a vent turned off by default is not a normal tesla mode of operation.


again, either a car-specific fault, or you're doing something wrong: easy entry seats only move when you're in park AND the seatbelt is unbuckled.

also, the Camera app (from launcher or shortcut) brings back rear-view camera at any time.
I've owned my SR+ for 3 years now and I have no idea what that person is talking about to be honest. Best car I've ever owned, will most likely look at buying another Tesla when it's time for a change, unless I decide to go for a pickup truck, then I might have to go for the F150 Lightning as I think it looks better than the cybertruck.

As for UI (to stay on topic), integration the way Tesla does it is the best imo, maps are fast, my Spotify starts exactly where I was on my phone when listening to my podcasts, and infotainment in general works well enough, only thing I'd ask is a better processor maybe to make stuff like Netflix and Twitch more snappy.
 
I just recently drove my car, with CarPlay, to the airport. Directions and music and audiobooks all worked beautifully.

And how does your car handle trip management, driver profiles, car dynamics, telemetry, video recording, etc? Or how does the CarPlay handle media from external storage?

Operating a car is not just direction+music+audio books. And there is no car that is solely-controlled by CarPlay.

So your choices are the totality of the experience offered by your [Car+Carplay] combo, or Tesla [+bluetooth]. Which is net better?
 
The lack of CarPlay, especially the future version of it, is probably the main reason I'm not looking at Tesla when replacing my current EV next year. Polestar, BMW or Mustang are all more likely candidates.
Especially with that awful steering rectangle.
 
So your choices are the totality of the experience offered by your [Car+Carplay] combo, or Tesla [+bluetooth]. Which is net better?

Car + Carplay. I have a car whose controls and response is what I want for that vehicle; plus the additional functionality of CarPlay. YMMV
 
to be clear, i'm not saying the tesla UI is perfect and infallible. i'm saying it's better than anything else native on the market, and anything that relies on CP/AA overlay as a crutch covering the native system.

it can be better. but common experience says adding a 3rd party layer on top pretty much never makes anything better. so anything better has to be developed internally.

otherwise we are just in fantasy land, where i want my tesla powertrain with the sound of a lexus lfa and a gearshift of an nsx and the suspension of a 911 and the comfort of a water bed.
 
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Nope. The Tesla UI is miles better than CarPlay.
the tesla UI is horrific. the christmas update should be all the evidence you need. literally even elon admitted it. tesla navigation is as functional (and looks like) a 2004 era tomtom. no advanced features or routing capabilities. spotify is bug ridden and nowhere near feature parity with native.

I really don’t think it’s better than CarPlay but also think it’s not horrific. It used to be better than CarPlay before the Xmas update I think, which, yep, sucks. But it’s still not terrible. I haven’t had problems with navigation or Spotify and use both pretty often, for example. Looks a lot uglier than before the Xmas update and too much stuff is hidden behind menus now though… It’s still the best UI on the market, but they do need to fix more of what was broken during that damn Xmas update….
 
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Wow...your life decisions center around an app...
You compare CarPlay to an app? It's more of an eco system. With it I have a lot of apps I use, and control over HomeKit/Siri with control of things like my garage doors. I mean, if you are coming from a car that's 10+ years old, I can see how you'd think of this as just an "app", but cars today are very much a software experience.
 
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Mini Cooper has a good affordable EV. Though make sure you are getting the earlier models and not the newer one as they're jacking up the price on the new one.
I've looked at the Mini's, but it's too small for our needs. Maybe as a second car, but right now we don't need more than one.
 
Elon's being a bit of a spoilt child. If he can't afford it he disses it. I'm glad Apple's too expensive for him. He'd make a right mess of what Job's left behind. Shame Apple didn't buy Tesla when they were close to going under.
AFAIK, CarPlay is free to license from apple for car manufacturers. The reason why some resist it (like Toyota did, for years) is because they do not want to let other stores / ecosystems into their cars, rather want to have a way to monetize people's use of media in cars themselves.
 
I love that the people who are so outraged that Tesla doesn’t support CarPlay don’t have a problem with Apple not letting iPhones run Android.
That's kind of ridiculous though, no? How about Android phones running iOS?

Both CarPlay and Android Auto are integrations made specifically for in-vehicle integration. Tesla does not support either, right? That is the problem; that they refuse to integrate with either of the two native car integration systems. Nobody is saying that Tesla should run iOS natively.
 
As Steve would say,..'YUK'!
I assume you personally asked Steve Jobs what his opinion is.
Why are you assuming bLackjackj is referring to Steve Jobs? For all we know, it could be Steve Urkel. 🤷‍♂️

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I've had a Tesla since 2018 and only recently used Carplay for the first time in a rental car last week. It was kinda eye-opening to be honest. Since I was using Apple Maps for directions, I could get to a city, find parking, get out of the car, and the directions seamlessly transferred to my Apple watch. Audiobook and podcast playback stay in sync. I could easily download media in my hotel before I headed into areas with limited LTE/5G.

Compare that to the Tesla infotainment experience where podcast playback means using Tunein so it doesn't stay in sync unless you use Tunein everywhere else too. That's made worse by Tesla's decision to make it next to impossible to know your current playback location (Christmas UI change there).

This is mitigated by paying for Spotify, but that doesn't fix the poor LTE/Wifi experience I seem to have where podcasts or even music will playback for some time and then just skip to the next track. When I had Spotify, there were plenty of times when the Spotify homescreen didn't even update for the whole trip.

To me, Tesla's infotainment has kind of a half-baked quality to the apps. That's my biggest issue with them. Adding Carplay would mean apps get supported by companies that have a vested interest in keeping the apps working well. So far it's been pretty clear that Tesla doesn't want to dedicate resources to adding more infotainment providers. The ones they have now barely have more than basic functionality.
 
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really the only thing missing from my Tesla is Apple Music integration. But I already have Spotify built in. Everything else is better or on par (Navigation in Tesla is great and works out when and where to charge when needed). The included Netflix and Disney plus apps work great, as do the included games.

If they did add apple car play then they'd need to somehow integrate it fully, including all the self driving visuals, which I can't see Tesla and Apple working together on.
 
if Elon/Tesla is so open source about a lot of things, why not something as basic as CarPlay? testing their current console/infotainment (ugh word), is painful.
 
That doesn’t make any sense. The two are not equivalent comparisons. Can a Ford be a Chevy or a Mercedes? Of course not. But, all of them can certainly use tires from Continental, Goodyear, etc. And, we’re not outraged. We’re just expressing desires, as consumers, that we’d like something better and more reliable than the systems built by Tesla, Rivian etc. These companies don’t (and shouldn’t) have the resources to create the same quality of mobile applications as companies like Apple or Google.
Was just going to say this. Thanks for saving me the time.
 
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