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Don't award him the accomplishment of a "visionary" when nothing he's produced so far at either of his companies is visionary in the slightest. Fundamentally speaking Tesla has not done anything to shift the technological paradigm as EVs are an old technology and concept (as are re-usable rockets, the engineering concept was drawn up by an academic 60 years ago and prototypes were built 30 years ago), not to mention it's just a different form of powering the same four wheeled type vehicles we've all been using for 100+ years. When we switched to a Tesla our transportation experience was fundamentally unchanged except now we had to worry about range anxiety.

On the other hand Jobs was one of the people at the forefront of ubiquitous mainstream consumer electronics. Apple is one of the vessels responsible for introducing the average person to the digital and connected realm. Smartphones have been a complete undeniable paradigm shift that has permanently changed the way society works (for better or for worse) in so many dimensions.

Hilarious. Smartphones existed prior to Apple's iPhone just like EV's existed prior to Tesla's Roadster. The two companies can be credited for popularizing the respective products.

As for SpaceX landing rockets, if ther's something that qualifies as a technological paradigm then that is it. Nobody had done that before and to this day nobody else has.
 
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You have some serious issues with reality, kid

No, they don’t. They’re worse than those who say Apple just copies everything
Sit down, son.

 
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Nah, looks are objective, and Teslas look about as good as the competition now. This wasn't the case, but then Tesla refined their designs, BMW started taking the grille parodies seriously, and Mercedes decided to make slugs.

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Those are all hideous.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe he will open it up when the car drives itself. Which is in 2017 according to him?
In the EU some non-Tesla vehicles have already started using the SC network. In the US the biggest hurdle will be having to either change stalls to CCS or having an adapter that can take the amperage the SC can put out (current peak is 510A @ 500V IIANM).
 
I want native Waze instead of the browser version. I want Siri because I can give it commands to text people, call people, etc. all without syncing my messages and notifications from my phone to the Tesla infotainment system which is a privacy concern (I don't know where that metadata goes).
Tesla is selling cars costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars - they're not going to risk losing half their customer base in exchange for the <$100M they could get by selling all of their customer data.

I believe the metadata is all stored locally on the car, at least for now - it doesn't sync between multiple cars. Tesla has a bug bounty program - if you think Tesla might be mishandling the data, you can report it and get paid for it.

Also Siri can listen to music related commands and actually play from my music library instead of from Tesla's built in radio.

You can plug whatever in via USB and the voice commands will let you play music off of it. Generally "whatever via USB" is called a USB stick, but there's no reason it couldn't be a bigger hard drive, or any computer or music player that is programmed to act like a USB stick when it's plugged in. I know people have written software for talking with the car via USB from a raspberry Pi so that they can use it to upload dashcam data and to download music. IDK if anyone has taken this idea to a commercial product yet.
 
Well that's to be expected after you insult someone by telling him to put his solution up his ass.
Really? Someone insults you and you think it's expected to use your billionaire's public bullhorn to call them a pedophile?
 
Sit down, son.

Imagine if a larger number of these occurred, Tesla denied any fault, and then silently corrected the issue; that’s Apple, on numerous occasions
 
I don’t care what Musk says bout Apple or vice versa, that doesn’t have an affect on me as a consumer in order to what I choose what I want to drive for a vehicle. I see others making childish remarks about ‘Tesla‘s are ugly’, ‘they’re poorly made’, etc. And the argument goes both ways where others have had success stories with their Tesla’s. Seriously, when it comes to _any_ vehicle in terms of aesthetics, it is up to each their own situation.

I’ve owned a lot of fast cars over the years, with my most recent my 650+ Camaro, if I do purchase a M3 for an EV, it’s not because of the 0-60 time. I’m looking at a vehicle that I want maintenance free with no oil changes, and no fuel costs. It’s more of an investment than it is a ‘fun toy’ for me. Maybe that’s the point that some people are missing in this entire thread, is that others simply want the enjoyment of an EV, but they enjoy also how it looks and it’s a cost saving measure over the course of time.
 
Really? Someone insults you and you think it's expected to use your billionaire's public bullhorn to call them a pedophile?

Absolutely, what goes around comes around. They are both insults and billionaires are human beings.
 
Absolutely, what goes around comes around. They are both insults and billionaires are human beings.

Sure, and some get stuck at being 12 years old.

Which isn't much of a problem until a bunch of fanboys attach themselves to such a man-child....
 
Boring as they may be, Toyota makes bulletproof cars and will be an EV player if only bc their manufacturing prowess will enable them to quickly ramp it.

It was only very recently that Toyota announced that their first BEV models would be available, and that isn’t until 2022, and that vehicle, called the bZ4X -yes the first letter is lower case- is a partnership with Subaru. I haven’t heard anything new for a while about it. And going to Toyota’s website they still mention what they call “FCEV’s” for Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles- Hydrogen powered cars. The advantage to FCEV’s is that they are essentially highly modified ICE engines that burn hydrogen which doesn’t produce much if any CO2 when burned. The difficulty is transporting hydrogen fuel is a pain in the butt, hydrogen is the smallest molecule in existence and creating seals to keep it from leaking is hard. Right now, you don’t stop it you only slow the leak down. Using pipelines to transport it has all the problems with leaks and potential problems with explosions from those leaks, or you try lowering the temperature of the fuel but that takes energy or you generate the hydrogen locally, which takes significant electrical power. Power most towns don’t have access to. Japan, as a country, is roughly the size of California. A few centralized plants to manufacture hydrogen and refrigerated tankers could possibly work. In the US tankers probably aren’t a viable option in the west, at least.
 
It was only very recently that Toyota announced that their first BEV models would be available, and that isn’t until 2022, and that vehicle, called the bZ4X -yes the first letter is lower case- is a partnership with Subaru. I haven’t heard anything new for a while about it. And going to Toyota’s website they still mention what they call “FCEV’s” for Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles- Hydrogen powered cars. The advantage to FCEV’s is that they are essentially highly modified ICE engines that burn hydrogen which doesn’t produce much if any CO2 when burned. The difficulty is transporting hydrogen fuel is a pain in the butt, hydrogen is the smallest molecule in existence and creating seals to keep it from leaking is hard. Right now, you don’t stop it you only slow the leak down. Using pipelines to transport it has all the problems with leaks and potential problems with explosions from those leaks, or you try lowering the temperature of the fuel but that takes energy or you generate the hydrogen locally, which takes significant electrical power. Power most towns don’t have access to. Japan, as a country, is roughly the size of California. A few centralized plants to manufacture hydrogen and refrigerated tankers could possibly work. In the US tankers probably aren’t a viable option in the west, at least.
Electric cars aren’t a mass market product yet for various reasons. 2025 will probably be when other manufacturers get serious.

Honda had a hydrogen powered vehicle years ago. It’s superior in terms of emissions and range issues. I think cost and transport were major issues, but those could be solved. Hydrogen is a superior technology thanputtijg heavy, dirty batteries that require power from dirty power plants in all cars.
 
The advantage to FCEV’s is that they are essentially highly modified ICE engines that burn hydrogen which doesn’t produce much if any CO2 when burned.

Maybe you should educate yourself what the FuelCell in FCEV stands for....

Hydrogen ICEs are also a thing (BMW ran (runs?) a 7 series as a shuttle between their HQ and the airport since the laze 90s).
 
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The advantage to FCEV’s is that they are essentially highly modified ICE engines that burn hydrogen which doesn’t produce much if any CO2 when burned.

Fuel cells don’t burn hydrogen, or anything else, and they have nothing to do with ICE engines.
 
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Electric cars aren’t a mass market product yet for various reasons. 2025 will probably be when other manufacturers get serious.

Honda had a hydrogen powered vehicle years ago. It’s superior in terms of emissions and range issues. I think cost and transport were major issues, but those could be solved. Hydrogen is a superior technology thanputtijg heavy, dirty batteries that require power from dirty power plants in all cars.

Producing hydrogen takes the same type of dirty power plants. Coal and natural gas, as well as one very old nuclear plant, is how most of the energy in my part of Nebraska is generated. Whether you are making hydrogen or charging batteries the dirty energy source is the same. Thanks to Facebook and Google, who wanted to build data centers here but Nebraska really discouraged solar and wind, laws have been recently changed to make those 2 energy sources easier to build and license so maybe in 5-10 years we won’t be as dependent on burning fuel for power. But once you get away from towns along I-80 you are faced with old power transmission lines that realistically need to be replaced no matter how you turn electricity into power for a vehicle.
 
It was only very recently that Toyota announced that their first BEV models would be available, and that isn’t until 2022, and that vehicle, called the bZ4X -yes the first letter is lower case- is a partnership with Subaru.
Don't know about other countries, but in the UK there is this:

LEXUS UX 300e​

Lexus is a brand of Toyota.
 
I'm just waiting for the day the feds bust him for insider trading via Twitter. He's caused a lot of damage for stocks and other companies he doesn't like from his influence.

Also, I find it hilarious HE'S talking about human rights. His factories are very suspect these days.
 
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