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So they have engineers that bypass chip shortages?

Last I saw was Ford, GM, other big players suffering greatly from chip shortages with the only light at the end of the tunnel being once silicon production increased. These weren't cutting edge chips either, but more boring components that went inside transmissions, etc.
Did you not read my entire post? I said the ONLY problem they face now is chip shortages. Specifically because the ENTIRE COUNTRY is facing chip shortages. Chips that go into components are still chips. The vehicles are built, but with no power, there’s no way to get them here.
 
Ford? Chevy?
Edit: that’s a genuine uestion. Lightning f-150 has more space, more charging capabilities, and is at a more reasonable price point than Tesla, not to mention 6s-to-60, which is unheard of for a work-capable vehicle. I suggest doing your research, but here’s a video:

And another:

Maverick is just a teensy truck, not a fan of it, personally.
I have done my research. It is obvious you have not. Time will tell but to say Ford or Chevy are going to offer real, meaningful competition is flawed.
 
Did you not read my entire post? I said the ONLY problem they face now is chip shortages. Specifically because the ENTIRE COUNTRY is facing chip shortages. Chips that go into components are still chips. The vehicles are built, but with no power, there’s no way to get them here.

My misunderstanding, I apologize.

I still do not believe that Ford R&D have some magic bullet that will suddenly propel them ahead of Tesla, a company that has been making electric vehicles far longer than Ford has and with a charging network that is far more available than the EV Go/EA stations. Time will tell, and I hope they are successful, but I just don't think it's going to be this big surge in orders even if they are able to assemble complete vehicles.
 
I can't offer anything about their domestic competition, but here in Europe they start to have serious competition from the PSA and Wolkswagen Group that offer smaller footprint models at non premium prices (I'll be picking up a renault zoe asap).

Where I can see tesla shine is in bridging the current infrastructure gap between gas and electric.

PS: teslas have a face that only elon can love ;)
 
Walled garden, huh? Can I use CarPlay or Android Auto in a Tesla? No, there's a handful of apps controlled exclusively by Tesla and that's about it. How friggin ironic.
 
Name some "serious competition"
All the Germans. Ford. Toyota. Honda.

You think those guys are clueless on how to proceed with electric? BMW made 3X the profit of Tesla. Electric is still a small market relative to the overall auto market.

Tesla ONLY makes electric cars. 95% of all car purchases are still with internal combustion engines, so other manufacturers are serving that demand while developing the electric tech. Ford is doing it, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, etc.

As I mentioned, the Taycan is already a better Model S and Porsche did that as a hobby. And don't talk to me about range, because range is still a problem for all electric vehicles because they can't be charged as fast as filling the tank. That is why the tech is still not ready and isn't being adopted at a large scale.
 
Uh, no one has been able to touch SpaceX in terms of cost and it keeps getting lower the more reliable and trustworthy refurbished boosters become. $62m (that's for a new rocket) vs. $165m+ for the nearest competitor. Launches on a 'flight-proven' booster has been said to be as low as around $30m. That is an 80% cost reduction in the access to space. That's not everyday people vacationing in Low Earth Orbit cheap, but that's a lot of opportunities for businesses. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/elo...et-over-a-million-dollars-less-to-insure.html

Let's also not forget, the USA would not have manned launch capabilities right now if it wasn't for SpaceX.
It's an important initiative, but again, it's not here yet. The proof of concept is there, but it's not turning into anything real for the average person or helping Tesla make more money.
 
Tesla still needs to make more profit to justify a $650B valuation...that's the point. Apple made over 20X the profit and is only worth 4X as much.
Ah. That is investors being investors. They seem to think Autonomy and Energy are going to be big deals.
 
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no one is gonna take tesla's lunch money, all these legacy auto who supposedly come out with their own ev and diminish tesla market share predicted by analysts years ago, have either fell short of their goal and haven't start production yet, or have started and realized its a much bigger task than originally expected. as tesla continue to simplify its manufacturing process, I.E giga press, the gap between tesla and legacy auto is only gonna widen.
Tesla delivered 500,000 cars in 2020. The worldwide car deliveries were almost 64,000,000, most of them had engines. Frankly, Tesla is already getting destroyed by cars with engines whether it be due to cost reasons or people not wanting electric cars or not wanting a Tesla because they are poorly made, ugly, and take too long to charge.

Tesla has fallen short of its own goals, pretty much consistently. $1B profit isn't going to get it done and again, not everyone wants to drive a Tesla. There WILL BE and are other electric options. I mentioned the Taycan on the high end, the Mach E on the lower end and many more coming. Car manufacturing is hard (As Tesla found out) and is fiercely competitive.

Tesla hasn't been able to turn their head start into significant profitability and has been riddled with its own delays, production problems, and cancellations.

You seem to think the game is over. This is just getting started. Tesla is a tiny, tiny auto manufacturer with under 1% of total deliveries worldwide.
 
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Frankly, Tesla is already getting destroyed by cars with engines whether it be due to cost reasons or people not wanting electric cars or not wanting a Tesla because they are poorly made, ugly, and take too long to charge.
This is the same nonsense I hear each time someone doesn't like Tesla.

What you think is ugly, someone else thinks looks good (my wife and I both like our Model 3).
Poorly made? We haven't seen that to this point, let me guess .. body panel gaps? You're listening way too much to the internet.
Too long to charge? Where? I plug in at home (like any other EV will) and by morning I am back to the normal level I keep it at. On the road? Superchargers take care of me within 15-20 minutes.

I'll gladly take it over a gas powered car, I spend far less time "fueling" up my car than I did with my gas engine vehicles.

It's okay if you don't like Tesla, I couldn't care less. But at least be honest about things.
 
This is the same nonsense I hear each time someone doesn't like Tesla.

What you think is ugly, someone else thinks looks good (my wife and I both like our Model 3).
Poorly made? We haven't seen that to this point, let me guess .. body panel gaps? You're listening way too much to the internet.
Too long to charge? Where? I plug in at home (like any other EV will) and by morning I am back to the normal level I keep it at. On the road? Superchargers take care of me within 15-20 minutes.

I'll gladly take it over a gas powered car, I spend far less time "fueling" up my car than I did with my gas engine vehicles.

It's okay if you don't like Tesla, I couldn't care less. But at least be honest about things.
I like Tesla, but it’s true.

You’re a Tesla owner? Shocked you think it’s great and justify the purchase.🤣

2021 JD Power VDS ranks Tesla 4th to last, just ahead of Jaguar. And yeah, panel gaps are a serious problem. So is soft paint. I’ve seen it in person on every occasion. I’m a car guy. Wouldn’t buy a car with panel gaps like Tesla. Cheap looking interior Too.

I don’t want 20min supercharging. Neither do others. Supercharging isn’t always available and still doesn’t fully charge in 20min. Also hard on the battery. Charging is a problem when you want to take a road trip, agreed? It’s at minimum less convenient and more stressful than filling up in 3 minutes and moving along. “BuT I CaN hAVE a CofFeE.“ Yeah, I don’t want that. I just want to go. That is objectively a step backward.

Again, Tesla did under 1% of worldwide car shipments. Electric cars are not a thing yet in comparison. When they are a bigger thing, you’ll see the competitors coming hard. You already have some, which are interesting and just first try, hobby type cars for companies like Porsche and Audi.

I’d 100% take a Taycan over a Model S. I drove a Mach E and the tech is better than the Model Y. Nicer interior too.

The point of ugly is the fact that there are too many other manufacturers for Tesla to dominate. People like the other brands…a lot. They will not just go away, so they’ll be forced to compete and have the manufacturing ability to do so. Tesla isn’t even until the top 10 car companies in terms of manufacturing prowess.

Tesla will be just another manufacturer of cars. They couldn’t even meet the demand even if everyone wanted one.
 
I like Tesla, but it’s true.

You’re a Tesla owner? Shocked you think it’s great and justify the purchase.🤣

2021 JD Power VDS ranks Tesla 4th to last, just ahead of Jaguar. And yeah, panel gaps are a serious problem. So is soft paint. I’ve seen it in person on every occasion. I’m a car guy. Wouldn’t buy a car with panel gaps like Tesla. Cheap looking interior Too.

I don’t want 20min supercharging. Neither do others. Supercharging isn’t always available and still doesn’t fully charge in 20min. Also hard on the battery. Charging is a problem when you want to take a road trip, agreed? It’s at minimum less convenient and more stressful than filling up in 3 minutes and moving along. “BuT I CaN hAVE a CofFeE.“ Yeah, I don’t want that. I just want to go. That is objectively a step backward.

Again, Tesla did under 1% of worldwide car shipments. Electric cars are not a thing yet in comparison and when they are. Bigger thing, you’ll see the competitors coming hard. You already have some, which are interesting and just first try, hobby type cars for companies like Porsche and Audi.

I’d 100% take a Taycan over a Model S. I drove a Mach E and the tech is better than the Model Y. Nicer interior too.

I have a BMW X3, and a Tesla Model S. Prior cars were Porsche Boxster S and BMW X5. Of those, the Tesla is definitely the best car, and electric has been a revelation. That said, build quality is not at all good. Loose bolts, bad body panel alignment, cheap visors that fall apart, various electronic components dying, terrible software update quality, etc. Still wouldn’t give it up and go back to gas for my daily driver.
 
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I have a BMW X3, and a Tesla Model S. Prior cars were Porsche Boxster S and BMW X5. Of those, the Tesla is definitely the best car, and electric has been a revelation. That said, build quality is not at all good. Loose bolts, bad body panel alignment, cheap visors that fall apart, various electronic components dying, terrible software update quality, etc. Still wouldn’t give it up and go back to gas for my daily driver.
I mean, that’s cool. Not surprised you agree on the build quality. And the Model S is the nicer model. I find them tolerable compared to the Model 3, but still doesn’t feel like an $80,000 car and isn’t close to my M5. They are QUICK though.

I own BMWs too and still want the screaming engine and exhaust of my F90 M5. I also own a modified 335i with over 500HP and a manual transmission. Teslas are quick, but they aren’t fun to drive besides straight line pulls and quality is poor.

Electric cars are the future, no doubt…but the argument isn’t gas versus electric. It’s if other manufacturers can make compelling electric cars. I say they already have and Tesla’s electric lead will shrink from here or at least when that market gets bigger. It’s still quite small relative to traditional cars.
 
You’re a Tesla owner? Shocked you think it’s great and justify the purchase.🤣
Yup, I am Tesla owner. I did my research, test drove, talked to others owners and still bought the car.

Guess what, it has been fantastic. I don't need to justify the car to myself, I could turn around and sell it for more than I paid and within a couple of days. The demand for the Model 3 is sky high, guess it's just because its an ugly junk car. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Each time I drive it, it's a justification of why I bought the car. My car had a single body panel gap issue that was corrected in about 15 minutes.

I don’t want 20min supercharging. Neither do others. Supercharging isn’t always available and still doesn’t fully charge in 20min. Also hard on the battery. Charging is a problem when you want to take a road trip, agreed? It’s at minimum less convenient and more stressful than filling up in 3 minutes and moving along. “BuT I CaN hAVE a CofFeE.“ Yeah, I don’t want that. I just want to go. That is objectively a step backward.

No, charging is not an issue when I want to take a road trip. It is not less convenient either. I drove cross country last year in my gas powered Mazda CX-5. Each stop we made was easily 15-20 minutes because after being in a car for two hours my wife and I wanted to use the restroom, stretch our legs and just be out of the car for more than a gas fill up. So no, this is not a step back in the least.

You want to go in 3 minutes? That's fine, don't but an EV at this time. Continue to imagine that it's the agonizing burden you think it is, again, I couldn't care less about that.

Since I own the car, I can speak to my own experience and it is better than my gasoline powered cars of the past. I wouldn't go back. Period.

Edit: Please do not think I am arguing that 20 minutes is the gold standard. Technology will continue to advance to the point where a charge takes much less time. However, it will not adjust the time I spend doing the things I need to at a stop, just like a refill with gas doesn't adjust the time I spend doing the other things I need to. The difference is I can't just walk away while the car fuels up. (I can but it's frowned upon here at best)
 
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Yup, I am Tesla owner. I did my research, test drove, talked to others owners and still bought the car.

Guess what, it has been fantastic. I don't need to justify the car to myself, I could turn around and sell it for more than I paid and within a couple of days. The demand for the Model 3 is sky high, guess it's just because its an ugly junk car. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Each time I drive it, it's a justification of why I bought the car. My car had a single body panel gap issue that was corrected in about 15 minutes.



No, charging is not an issue when I want to take a road trip. It is not less convenient either. I drove cross country last year in my gas powered Mazda CX-5. Each stop we made was easily 15-20 minutes because after being in a car for two hours my wife and I wanted to use the restroom, stretch our legs and just be out of the car for more than a gas fill up. So no, this is not a step back in the least.

You want to go in 3 minutes? That's fine, don't but an EV at this time. Continue to imagine that it's the agonizing burden you think it is, again, I couldn't care less about that.

Since I own the car, I can speak to my own experience and it is better than my gasoline powered cars of the past. I wouldn't go back. Period.

Edit: Please do not think I am arguing that 20 minutes is the gold standard. Technology will continue to advance to the point where a charge takes much less time. However, it will not adjust the time I spend doing the things I need to at a stop, just like a refill with gas doesn't adjust the time I spend doing the other things I need to. The difference is I can't just walk away while the car fuels up. (I can but it's frowned upon here at best)
You must not be a car guy.

But yeah, the Tesla has problems inherent to current electric tech and the quality, looks, and dependability are still issues for Tesla. As as I said, Tesla can't make enough because they aren't a great manufacturer of cars. The ones the make are low quality and even if everyone wanted one, they couldn't deliver.

I am not surprised you like it. There are some cool things about it/electric cars.
 


During a Tesla earnings call that took place today, Tesla CEO Elon Musk spent time sniping at Apple, reports CNBC. Musk criticized Apple's "walled garden" and made comments on the company's cobalt use.

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In a discussion about plans to allow Tesla competitors to use the Tesla electric vehicle charger network, Musk said that Tesla does not want to create a walled garden to "bludgeon" Tesla competitors, alluding to Apple's App Store practices.Apple's iOS platform is often referenced using the term "walled garden" because it is a closed platform that Apple has full control over. Apple dictates what software can be installed on the iPhone and requires companies to use its App Store.

In a discussion about Tesla's batteries, Musk again referenced Apple without being prompted to do so. Musk said that people mistakenly believe that Tesla uses a lot of cobalt, which is required for the lithium-ion battery cells used in electronic devices, but it's Apple that uses the most cobalt.Apple does indeed use cobalt, which has in the past been linked to human rights abuses. Apple does, however, maintain a list of all of its cobalt smelters and refiners, and audits them regularly. In 2020, all of its cobalt suppliers were audited.

Apple and Tesla have had minor disputes in the past, stealing employees from one another as Apple pushes into the electric vehicle market. Back in 2015, Musk famously called Apple the "Tesla Graveyard." "If you don't make it at Tesla, you go work at Apple," he said.

More recently, Musk claimed that he had attempted to speak with Apple about a possible acquisition of Tesla at one point in Tesla's early days, but Apple CEO Tim Cook refused to meet with him.

Article Link: Tesla CEO Elon Musk Takes Shots at Apple During Earnings Call
Poor analog, better might be, can I load my own software in my Tesla?
 
You must not be a car guy.

But yeah, the Tesla has problems inherent to current electric tech and the quality, looks, and dependability are still issues for Tesla. As as I said, Tesla can't make enough because they aren't a great manufacturer of cars. The ones the make are low quality and even if everyone wanted one, they couldn't deliver.

I am not surprised you like it. There are some cool things about it/electric cars.

I enjoy the drive, but I am not an enthusiast by any means. What are the dependability issues you're speaking of? Of the people I have spoken with that have owned them for years, they have been less on maintenance and repair than their gasoline vehicles.

I know there have been failures with some Model S's drive units, but I have not heard of anything more recent that were major failure parts.

The reality though is I find the car to be more convenient than my gasoline cars. For 99% of my driving (one long trip to my office once a week, 256 miles round trip) I can do it on a single charge. That means the time spent "filling" up the car disappears. By the next day I am back to "full" (80% is what I charge to for normal around town driving). It has changed my driving experience for the better.
 
I enjoy the drive, but I am not an enthusiast by any means. What are the dependability issues you're speaking of? Of the people I have spoken with that have owned them for years, they have been less on maintenance and repair than their gasoline vehicles.

I know there have been failures with some Model S's drive units, but I have not heard of anything more recent that were major failure parts.

The reality though is I find the car to be more convenient than my gasoline cars. For 99% of my driving (one long trip to my office once a week, 256 miles round trip) I can do it on a single charge. That means the time spent "filling" up the car disappears. By the next day I am back to "full" (80% is what I charge to for normal around town driving). It has changed my driving experience for the better.

There have been a ton of problems with the MCUs, primarily. Also the touch screen turns yellow and requires a UV light treatment to re-cure the adhesive, and the problem reoccurs.
 
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