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Don't award him the accomplishment of a "visionary" when nothing he's produced so far at either of his companies is visionary in the slightest. Fundamentally speaking Tesla has not done anything to shift the technological paradigm as EVs are an old technology and concept (as are re-usable rockets, the engineering concept was drawn up by an academic 60 years ago and prototypes were built 30 years ago), not to mention it's just a different form of powering the same four wheeled type vehicles we've all been using for 100+ years. When we switched to a Tesla our transportation experience was fundamentally unchanged except now we had to worry about range anxiety.

On the other hand Jobs was one of the people at the forefront of ubiquitous mainstream consumer electronics. Apple is one of the vessels responsible for introducing the average person to the digital and connected realm. Smartphones have been a complete undeniable paradigm shift that has permanently changed the way society works (for better or for worse) in so many dimensions.

Please.

Apple took the idea for the mouse from Xerox, who had taken the idea from research papers written by a computer scientist at Stanford in the 60's that outlined the concept of a pointing device and cursor. Apple applied the exact same "vision" you're accusing Musk of not having: They took stacks of existing concepts and research on the GUI and rapidly developed it into a product that could be used by ordinary people. Same fundamental concepts that had been around for a couple of decades, just figuring out how apply it. Starting with a niche set of rich people that could afford it, and eventually making it accessible to almost anyone.

Tesla took concepts and research that had been sitting stale on a shelf since Detroit decided to recall and destroy the shockingly good EVs of the Mid-90's and set to work to develop it into something obtainable to the mainstream.

SpaceX took reusable booster concepts, research and engineers that had been laughed out of the likes of Boeing, Lockheed and Rockwell and made it reality.

Apple, Tesla, SpaceX. When you actually think about it, how much does any company actually 'innovate' new ideas versus develop and apply old ones in new ways? Apple didn't invent the mouse. Apple didn't invent the smart phone. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player. Apple didn't invent the smart watch. Tesla didn't invent the Electric Car. SpaceX did actually invent the reusable orbital booster, but it stands on the shoulders of who/what came before. Each one of these applications of technology set their respective industry and categories on its end. You could say each one thought differently and moved the human race forward. I think there's a poem about it or something.

Jobs and Musk are two very different personalities, but they are the same in their ability to stick to a vision they knew would benefit/advance society and both were not afraid to defend their positions with strong words when needed.
 
Elon isn’t someone to idolize.
Tesla is more anti right to repair than Apple, talk about being walled in.

True dat. Nothing quite like having to wait three weeks for an appointment for a repair at a Tesla dealer because you have no other choice.
 
Did we forget the two years we all spent wondering where AirTags were? How about that AirPower?

Did apple announce airtags two years before they released them? If not, why were you waiting?

(P.S. - I wonder if everyone being locked in their own homes for a year was a good reason to delay the release of a product specifically designed to help you find stuff you lose outside your house?)
 
Richard Stanton (one of the ACTUAL rescuers) urged Elon to continue "working on the capsule" while Vern was just standing around for photo ops.

If you're going to ignore this piece of evidence, there's nothing else for us to talk about.
Do you have evidence of his pedophilia? Because that kinda looked like Musk was acting out like the world's richest 8 year old.
 
Did apple announce airtags two years before they released them? If not, why were you waiting?
I think April 17th, 2019 was when we first started hearing about them. Unofficially, of course, but that's still about 2 years prior to launch. I remember contemplating getting a Tile and deciding to wait because I was sold on the idea that a first-party solution would be better.

On the one hand, I do think they are better than Tile. On the other, I have eight of them and only pulled the plastic off two.
 
You mean the charging they are going to share?

Ford estimates 300 mi range, Tesla estimates model Y at 303. This is Ford’s first try at a mass market truck. Pretty close. And cheaper. Ford makes many, many more cars than Tesla and knows how to push volume.

There are many competent and better car manufacturers than Tesla. For one, Tesla has crap quality and crap build quality. Panels don’t even line up. Studies have shown Tesla is well below industry average in dependability. They are also expensive and take too long to charge. Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Audi are more desirable and Toyota and Honda are a lot more reliable. All of the competitors I listed are better manufacturers than Tesla too.

Competition will get even more serious about electric cars when the tech is ready. It currently has too many downsides over non-electric vehicles to be ready for prime time.

Porsche has already made a Model S competitor and it’s already better in several ways, particularly quality. The Ford Mach E is better in some ways than the Tesla Model Y and is already close in range and every day performance.

You think everyone is going to drive a Tesla or that other manufacturers won’t figure out how to sell electric vehicles? It’s still a pretty small market and the competition is only beginning. The Taycan and the Mach E are 2 examples of cars already compelling and they are just getting started. The E Tron from Audi is another.

Tesla just made $1.1B in profit in their most recent quarter, a record But almost 35% of its profit is selling energy credits, not selling cars. BMW made almost $3B in their most recent quarter, but trades at 1/10th the valuation.

Tesla needs to be way ahead and their runway is already ending.
Same thing that’s been said every year since 2013, yet Tesla keeps multiplying its sales every quarter.
 
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I'd probably have a Tesla if they had CarPlay on it. Open that platform Elon.
It’s not Elon, who is not wanting to be open for CarPlay, it’s Apple who wants license fees from Tesla with their non-sense MFi cert.
 
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Same thing that’s been said every year since 2013, yet Tesla keeps multiplying its sales every quarter.
The valuation more than accounts for it.

The point is, electric competition hasn’t even started until maybe the last year and it’s not even serious yet. Tesla should be INSANELY profitable and have a huge lead, yet they only made about $700M selling cars the last 90 days And other companies have made compelling electric vehicles already while making more profit than Tesla.

Tesla’s $600B+ valuation implies they will be MUCH more profitable at some point, but we aren’t seeing it and competition has begun.

I like Tesla. I like Elon. But Tesla is likely way overvalued for what it can and has actually delivered. Tesla is going to be just another car manufacturer. Low margin, tough, insanely competitive business with almost no brand loyalty.
 
Not sure if Elon is scared or jealous of Apple. :)

Telsa wait till Apple releases new Apple Car. Sky’s the limit. Enjoy your fame while you can.
A guy conquering the outer space and pushing the humanity forward being jealous or scared of a dumb gadget manufacturer who just keeps puzzling on OS UI’s and reinventing the wheel over and over again? Heh 🤣 good joke!
 
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Something about stones and glass houses......

Yes, but this is simply something that Tim Cook is not good at. He will have no response. His reply will be silence. And Elon Musk just kicks ass as usual and will fly into space soon. It reminds me of Steve Jobs vs. Bill Gates. Gates had tons of respect for Jobs, and they both used each other in different court cases for various reasons, but Jobs just sheepishly credited Gates with his accomplishments and Gates ate it up. But Gates actually said WHY he liked Steve Jobs and I could understand why, all the things Gates did NOT think of but instead stole. Gates was like that creepy guy that glanced at your homework before you had to go to class. And a smart person knew Jobs didn't really like him at all. Tim Cook is set for life. Tim Cook's Apple reminds me of INTEL, lazy. :(
 
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Yes, but this is simply something that Tim Cook is not good at. He will have no response. His reply will be silence. And Elon Musk just kicks ass as usual and will fly into space soon. It reminds me of Steve Jobs vs. Bill Gates. Gates had tons of respect for Jobs, and they both used each other in different court cases for various reasons, but Jobs just sheepishly credited Gates with his accomplishments and Gates ate it up. But Gates actually said WHY he liked Steve Jobs and I could understand why, all the things Gates did NOT think of but instead stole. Gates was like that creepy guy that glanced at your homework before you had to go to class. And a smart person knew Jobs didn't really like him at all. Tim Cook is set for life. Tim Cook's Apple reminds me of INTEL, lazy. :(
Cook is a better CEO than Musk and has created far more shareholder value, just FYI. Cook is a monster…don’t underestimate him. His results speak for themselves. Your “lazy” critique of Apple is just your opinion. Apple is kicking ass and is the envy of the business world.
 
A guy conquering the outer space and pushing the humanity forward being jealous of a dumb gadget manufacturer who just keeps puzzling on OS UI’s and reinventing the wheel over and over again? Heh 🤣 good joke!
What has Musk actually done to conquer space? 😂

The dude’s company makes electric cars, not time machines. Others are doing it too and NASA has done a lot more in space than Musk. I get it, bringing costs down and opening space to civilians…but it hasn’t happened yet.

Not saying he’s doing nothing, but Apple changes more peoples’ lives than anything Musk does in space. His space endeavors have no relevance to the average person.

Delete Apple would be much more impactful than deleting Tesla and SpaceX, think of it that way.
 
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Cook is a better CEO than Musk and has created far more shareholder value, just FYI. Cook is a monster…don’t underestimate him. His results speak for themselves. Your “lazy” critique of Apple is just your opinion. Apple is kicking ass and is the envy of the business world.
True, Cook is a monster 🤣, a wallet devouring monster. I can see all these small sweet wallets running away from Cook, and Cook stomping behind them, trying to catch them in slow motion. He shall join Monsters Inc. and get an own door.
 
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It’s not Elon, who is not wanting to be open for CarPlay, it’s Apple who wants license fees from Tesla, just like with their non-sense MFi cert.
There are reportedly no licensing fees for either CarPlay or Android Auto.

It is more likely because Tesla still considers the console experience to be a competitive differentiator, and doesn't want to have people relegated to a third party app. AFAIK Tesla does not have an open App Store (e.g. its a stricter walled garden than Apple's)

It may also have been mapping related for a while; Tesla's route system is designed specifically to keep you within range of a charging station and to be quite vocal as you start to risk being stranded. Last year Apple added EV routing to maps (and made it automatic when connected to CarPlay), so thats no longer the excuse.
 
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There are reportedly no licensing fees for either CarPlay or Android Auto.

It is more likely because Tesla still considers the console experience to be a competitive differentiator, and doesn't want to have people relegated to a third party app. AFAIK Tesla does not have an open App Store (e.g. its a stricter walled garden than Apple's)

It may also have been mapping related for a while; Tesla's route system is designed specifically to keep you within range of a charging station and to be quite vocal as you start to risk being stranded. Last year Apple added EV routing to maps (and made it automatic when connected to CarPlay), so thats no longer the excuse.
lol of course they do. Depending of the MFi device they want fixed $ costs or % of sales per device. CarPlay belongs to Apple Mafia(MFi) licensing program which you have to enroll, negotiate and sign a NDA.

Apple would love to get 8% of Teslas car sales:
 
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