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There’s a difference between not optimal and unsafe. Unsafe in the Mach e recall where you can’t get out if your car except to break the windows if the 12v battery fails.

You mean like the Tesla incident I was actually a part of investigating?

I’m curious, how many years experience do you have doing accident investigations/reconstruction? How many vehicles have you performed an analysis of looking for defects that may lead to a recall?
 
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I'm a Tesla owner. They're probably amongst the best cars ever made, and certainly the best EVs in terms of software/hardware combination.

But I will never buy another Tesla if it benefits Musk in any way. I don't think Musk can ever be clear of the company. Even if they sack him (which is unlikely given the board is basically his cult), he'll still own a massive shareholding.

So, that means I'll never buy another Tesla. I'm already eyeing up Kia, which by most measures is the next best.
I am sorry you are denying yourself something you value to deny someone who doesn't know you or have any impact on your life a few nickels. I don't know what the CEO of Sony thinks about anything...I just like some of their stuff. I don't care what CEOs think...I assume they all think crazy rich people stuff. I just buy what I think is cool and works for me. For me it's Teslas right now for cars. Love them. I don't care what crazy stuff their CEO thinks....again I assume all CEOs are loons and it makes no difference to my life.
 
No. A vehicle that has been crap its entire life has only finally become good enough in the latest models to obtain middle-of-the-pack reliability.

What does being stranded have to do with reliability? Why do you want to constrain your definition of reliability to a specific event instead of discussing overall reliability (where Tesla sucks)?
We've put 73,000 miles on our 2018 Model 3 and have had no major issues (other than small annoyances). I remember getting this EV used and having people tell me I'd never see 100,000 miles because Tesla was so bad and unreliable.

We're at 104,000 miles now (total) - and just put a pair of 70,000 mile tires on it. I expect to get that and more. It still has the 3.6-3.8 second 0-60 with acceleration boost (that came with the car) the day we bought it.

The range is about 35 miles less. Battery still under warranty.

My friend is experiencing the same with his 2019 Model 3. He and I are planning on putting at least another 100k on our cars.

Obviously I get it I'm one person - just saying, I've had more people than I can count on two hands tell me this car wouldn't see 100k.
 
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You mean like the Tesla incident I was actually a part of investigating?
You mean one incident where there are millions of these cars on the roads? What are the stats. Surely with a faulty design there is a smoking gun of sorts with lots of evidence.
I’m curious, how many years experience do you have doing accident investigations/reconstruction? How many vehicles have you performed an analysis of looking for defects that may lead to a recall?
I have about 50 years of getting out of all
Manner of cars. If this is an issue there would have been a huge hue and cry on this. And stats to back it up.
 
No. A vehicle that has been crap its entire life has only finally become good enough in the latest models to obtain middle-of-the-pack reliability.

What does being stranded have to do with reliability? Why do you want to constrain your definition of reliability to a specific event instead of discussing overall reliability (where Tesla sucks)?
Reliability means different things to different people. To some a rattle is indicative of lack reliability. To me it means things break and require service visits along with being stranded, which is a reliability issue.
 
You mean like the Tesla incident I was actually a part of investigating?

I’m curious, how many years experience do you have doing accident investigations/reconstruction? How many vehicles have you performed an analysis of looking for defects that may lead to a recall?
Curious what year range of Teslas you were investigating? The books I've read on Elon and Tesla indicate it was kinda rough initially.
 
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Having spent considerable time underneath a Tesla and seeing how they’re built this is false.

But don’t take my word for it. Up until the most recent models (which have finally cracked the Top Ten at position 9 for CR reliability), Teslas have historically had some of the worst reliability ratings in the entire industry.

If you get the chance ask a body shop about what it’s like repairing a Tesla in an accident. I already know what their answer will be.
Total false statement. I have a 2022 Tesla Model S LR and it has been the most reliable car I have owned and also the cheapest to operate.

The amount of disinformation from some of these posters on here is concerning. If you don’t like Tesla, then just don’t post.

Any body shop is expensive for any car, especially expensive cars, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Lucid is ridiculous as so new, etc, etc…. Tesla is definitely no different and in fact cheaper than some I just mentioned.
 
I can accept that you don't like the CEO but this company employs a lot of Americans, builds a mostly Made in America vehicle that has done good things for the environment in terms of breathable air.

The features on this car are pretty amazing. We inherited FSD for free on our used 2018 and moved it (for free) to our 2024. FSD is absolutely amazing. I've used it to drive many thousands of miles (half way across USA too). Being able to remotely do stuff with my car at any point in time has been really nice - so nice we got another one (mid 2024 before things went interesting). FSD and Tesla's safety features have saved us from several very nasty wrecks that I would not have caught.

We really like our cars. Having read several books on Musk (the Walter Isaacson one too) - I don't believe he is a nice person and I can understand why people don't like him especially after late last year and this year.
Musk late last year is one of the reasons I purchased my Tesla
 
Elon Musk is a grifter, not a visionary. He constantly overpromises and underdelivers. Just because in interviews he talks like a really bad science fiction B-movie screenplay, doesn't make him a visionary.

A true visionary (like Steve Jobs) focuses on execution, not on making lofty promises that sound like third-rate sci-fi.


Many people have died from Tesla's so-called "Autopilot" feature crashing the cars. So Elon Musk's buggy software kills people. Tim Cook's software is also buggy, but at least it doesn't kill people.
Studies have shown that many more people die in car accidents not using autopilot of FSD. People are much worse drivers, especially those who are looking at their iPhones and texting while driving. Musks software actually saves people.
 
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Musk late last year is one of the reasons I purchased my Tesla
Yeah I should've more accurately wrote why some don't. This country is pretty split evenly politically. 🙂

I also have a coworker who I believe did the same. lol.

I take the side of some of the others on this thread - the actions of the CEO don't dictate whether or not I buy something - the quality of the product does.

I can't comment much more on Elon without making it political but I find the reaction to him and Tesla very interesting... very telling... I don't think he's a nice person (I've read a handful of books on him) but he's done a lot of good (some bad) and he doesn't care what people think of him.
 
That seems strange. Maybe your phone is close to your car when it's parked? The Tesla App doesn't even show up on my Battery Usage. Must be less than 1%
Yeah my Tesla is parked directly below me - probably 8 ft from where I'm sitting now. The UWB key stays connected constantly - and depending on what I'm doing with my phone - it's anywhere from 1% - 3% according to Apple now. It's been improved significantly since last year when it was using a bit more.
 
I am sorry you are denying yourself something you value to deny someone who doesn't know you or have any impact on your life a few nickels. I don't know what the CEO of Sony thinks about anything...I just like some of their stuff. I don't care what CEOs think...I assume they all think crazy rich people stuff. I just buy what I think is cool and works for me. For me it's Teslas right now for cars. Love them. I don't care what crazy stuff their CEO thinks....again I assume all CEOs are loons and it makes no difference to my life.
Totally agree. I'm sure I disagree with Tim Cook on pretty much everything, yet I have a lot of Apple products and continue to buy them, not because of Cooks political views but because I like the products.
 
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Yeah I should've more accurately wrote why some don't. This country is pretty split evenly politically. 🙂

I also have a coworker who I believe did the same. lol.

I take the side of some of the others on this thread - the actions of the CEO don't dictate whether or not I buy something - the quality of the product does.

I can't comment much more on Elon without making it political but I find the reaction to him and Tesla very interesting... very telling... I don't think he's a nice person (I've read a handful of books on him) but he's done a lot of good (some bad) and he doesn't care what people think of him.
I have always taken your position, but as a federal worker, I can no longer take that position with respect to Musk, his actions just went way too far.
 
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Having spent considerable time underneath a Tesla and seeing how they’re built this is false.

But don’t take my word for it. Up until the most recent models (which have finally cracked the Top Ten at position 9 for CR reliability), Teslas have historically had some of the worst reliability ratings in the entire industry.

If you get the chance ask a body shop about what it’s like repairing a Tesla in an accident. I already know what their answer will be.
Prepare to have your mind blown.

I do not live in the US. I live in the UK.

Yes, some of us are NOT in the US. Take a few minutes to think this through. Trippy, isn't it?

Tesla ship cars to the UK from China, or sometimes from Germany. These are better than the US-constructed cars. I don't believe we've ever had the quality issues here that the US has struggled with.

Not to say Tesla cars are perfect quality. But perspective is useful.
 
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Studies have shown that many more people die in car accidents not using autopilot of FSD. People are much worse drivers, especially those who are looking at their iPhones and texting while driving. Musks software actually saves people.
Cite those studies. You can't. They don't exist.
 
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Latest Quarterly Results (Q3 2025)
Released on October 22, 2025, the report highlighted strong revenue growth but a significant decline in profitability.
  • Revenue: $28.1 billion (a 12% increase year-over-year), which beat analyst expectations.
  • Adjusted Earnings Per Share (EPS): $0.50, which missed analyst estimates of $0.54.
  • Net Income: $1.4 billion, a 37% decrease from Q3 2024.
  • Vehicle Deliveries: A record of nearly 500,000 units.
  • Energy Business: A bright spot, with revenue from energy generation and storage products (such as Megapacks) jumping 44% to $3.4 billion.

    That's a long way from $100 Billion. And read that "net income" metric.
I said revenue. And you just proved my point.
 
Cite those studies. You can't. They don't exist.
40,000 people died every year in the US caused by human drivers. 40k!!!

How many people have died from FSD after 7 billion miles driven? 1 if that even counted?

You can do the math.
 
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Yeah, no.

I was involved in the Tesla fire investigation via Transport Canada of the car that caught fire in North Vancouver and the driver had to kick the window out because the electric locks/windows failed and he couldn’t get the door open. In a panic situation people aren’t going to think about where the “emergency release” is located and will instinctively look for a pull handle.

You also conveniently left out any mention of where the rear handle release is. I wonder why? Maybe because it’s in an absolutely horrible location and requires removing trim to first access? I bet kids in the rear seat are going to have no trouble figuring that out. 🙄

On a side note, this vehicle fire was caused by a 12V module under the dash. The HV battery never caught fire. Yet I still see posts using the pics/video of this incident to claim Tesla batteries catch fire/explode.
Oh no, I think Tesla should improve on the emergency latches. I think they should make it somehow more panic-proof. I just don’t know how to go about that, I’m not a car/safety design engineer. I never said Tesla’s can’t improve. Although I never been in an accident with a Tesla, knowck on wood, I’d like to think I’d have the warewithall to not panic so much that I couldn’t get out.

I have mine own gripes about the company. However it’s not a joke of a company. There are a lot of skilled and talented people that work there to make the car better everyday. And it has done more to fight climate change in its short time of existence then any human, company, or country has ever done in history.
 
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2 CONFIRMED. I'd ponder that. Meanwhile, they'll take my steering wheel when they pry it from my cold, dead, hands. from my cold, dead, hands!
it doesn’t have to do with your driving. Your perfect driving doesn’t prevents others from causing accident that might impact you. And if that happens, computer has much faster time and 360 degrees view to help prevent or avoid accident.

Your point was what again?
Tesla has 100 billion in revenue a year. It’s not just going away like you think it would.
 
My 2022 Tesla Y app has always unlocked my car when I approach it as long as my iPhone is in a front pocket (except every several months when it insists I use my apple key wallet card). Not sure why anyone who owns an iphone and uses the Tesla app would need to use this keys app.
 
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I can accept that you don't like the CEO but this company employs a lot of Americans, builds a mostly Made in America vehicle that has done good things for the environment in terms of breathable air.

The features on this car are pretty amazing. We inherited FSD for free on our used 2018 and moved it (for free) to our 2024. FSD is absolutely amazing. I've used it to drive many thousands of miles (half way across USA too). Being able to remotely do stuff with my car at any point in time has been really nice - so nice we got another one (mid 2024 before things went interesting). FSD and Tesla's safety features have saved us from several very nasty wrecks that I would not have caught.

We really like our cars. Having read several books on Musk (the Walter Isaacson one too) - I don't believe he is a nice person and I can understand why people don't like him especially after late last year and this year.
My one complaint with my Tesla Y is that FSD won't let me go more than 5 mph over the speed limit.
 
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