This argument has been made for a decade now -- it hasn't happened, and it won't happen, because the legacy car companies are so far behind in batteries, and trapped by the car dealership networks that refuse to sell EVs because they cut off their profits in repairs and maintenance.
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Tesla Design Chief on Apple Products: 'There's Nothing to Look Forward To'
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True and I have not bought a $1300 iPhone yet. It does not fit my budget and I just don't see the added value for me. I have a 10XR that I will pass down to my son and then buy the new SE if they can keep it under $400. I do have a 3 yo Moto G5s+ that I take with me overseas. Now I was one of the first ones to buy the first iPhone and one of the first to buy the first couple iPads and the first MacBook Air but other than that I have not kept up with the times. I still have couple of 2010 Macs, a Synology server of the same vintage. My most recent Mac is a MacBook Air 2015.
As an Apple guy, who still hasn't recycled some mighty old Apple products, and as a Tesla owner -- you have no idea what you're talking about. Teslas are unbelievably reliable. Used Teslas stay as valuable as new ones for a reason.
As to "first comer advantage", it is more like ever growing advantage in batteries - which is why Tesla's competition is so inept.
Sorry, but the move to ARM or the latest iMacs are not playing it safe. They are pushing in some fronts, but you can't push in all fronts all the time.
A black badges Tesla is the perfect MIB car! No one will remember you no matter how fast you overtake them.
He's not completely wrong. However for me Apple Silicon has made things fairly interesting and opens things up to newer possibilities. I'm sure Apple has some really cool products in the queue but they take forever to release it. You can't blame them for wanting to get it right before disclosing them.
Quite a bit different, a phone vs a car. Personally, I think Franz shouldn't comment on Apple at all, mind.
I can’t speak for all apple investors, but the longs such as myself seem to think so. No one is talking about a car share service that I’m aware of… or is that just some kind of dig at their music/news/games etc service plays?
Mine was mostly a joke.
But not as big of a joke as the Tesla guy saying “The sad part about Apple nowadays is there’s nothing to look forward to” about the most admired company in the world, a company whose rumors generate the most engagement/clicks, a company that’s killing it on all fronts and whose huge R&D spending will result in a couple of out-of-this-world products in the next few years, if half of the rumors about the impending AR revolution are true. In the end, reality will or won’t make that Tesla guy sound like a fool (maybe he thought his words from a podcast wouldn’t blow up like this?). Personally I’m rooting for reality to make him the next laughing Ballmer.
Lmao, says the guy who designed the Model S which hasn’t been updated in 10 years. Plus all the other cars look the same, but stretched.
What exactly is the point of the model y when the 3 and x already exist?
What exactly is the point of the model y when the 3 and x already exist?
It it lasts as long as my maxed out 2014 15" I'll be very very happy, its my primary work laptop and given we work from home these days its ROI is better than the Tesla thats for sure
Hopefully you'll get it soon, they are fantastic machines.
I’m really looking forword to an Apple Car. Amazing audio, machine finished tires, super carbonic glass …. Apple Car will probably charge their own Energy Pay service, amazing secure, no malware from other fill in stations, all for your protection against hackers … and get a commission on fill ins. Will only have Apple Maps and Apple Music … amazing secure as it does not track you. On top charge for whatever third party digital service in Car especially curated just for your and your children security … Most probably you will need to go to an Apple Car Authorised repair shop otherwise loose the warranty and they will no longer repair the car after that … Again its really about our life’s, you don’t want anyone else fixing your advanced Apple Car, who know what might happen if they do … life threatening. All to save the planet from Climate Change. Ah, don’t forget will get its regular 5 year OS support, after that … who knows.
It will probably cost no less then $200k. Later Probably an SE model at $140K …
This is how advanced and disruptive the all thing will be.
The difference between SJ Apple and Tim Cook Apple is huge. The first would sell us the future today, a combination of of liberal arts, technology and the humanities, actually opening up the future … the potential by example … developers and entrepreneurs where key to build it the future. There was an implicit ethos, business ethos even … a philosophy on an empowering future … humanities. It was aiming for the best products but than something more … that drove such desire.
TC transform this into black matters, gay matters, whatever matters, smaller notch, a faster processors, better displays and watch bands of multiple colours … oh exercise, TV program and copy cat services … the fear of theft and insecurity, oh shares for shareholders. That is why I think Ive left … he had little interest in these things per si.
The question is … when will the perception that the SJ flame is still On, will actually fade away …
Cheers.
PS: Or maybe it will levitate or transform into an overdraft when in water who knows.
It will probably cost no less then $200k. Later Probably an SE model at $140K …
This is how advanced and disruptive the all thing will be.
The difference between SJ Apple and Tim Cook Apple is huge. The first would sell us the future today, a combination of of liberal arts, technology and the humanities, actually opening up the future … the potential by example … developers and entrepreneurs where key to build it the future. There was an implicit ethos, business ethos even … a philosophy on an empowering future … humanities. It was aiming for the best products but than something more … that drove such desire.
TC transform this into black matters, gay matters, whatever matters, smaller notch, a faster processors, better displays and watch bands of multiple colours … oh exercise, TV program and copy cat services … the fear of theft and insecurity, oh shares for shareholders. That is why I think Ive left … he had little interest in these things per si.
The question is … when will the perception that the SJ flame is still On, will actually fade away …
Cheers.
PS: Or maybe it will levitate or transform into an overdraft when in water who knows.
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He does have a point.
But then, I like both the way iPhones look and Model 3 / Y. Very clean, little distractions.
As I don't buy a new iPhone very often, I don't need it to change its look every incarnation.
Neither with cars.
I really liked the look of original Cybertruck - it was absolutely breath-taking. Refreshing. Riveting.
The current designs floating around - I haven't seen too much of them.
But then, I like both the way iPhones look and Model 3 / Y. Very clean, little distractions.
As I don't buy a new iPhone very often, I don't need it to change its look every incarnation.
Neither with cars.
I really liked the look of original Cybertruck - it was absolutely breath-taking. Refreshing. Riveting.
The current designs floating around - I haven't seen too much of them.
Not a dig, making mass market cars just seems like a huge money sink, unless you are offloading what you make to independent dealers, but then what happens to the yearly inventory that you don't sell assuming you are making enough vehicles a year to support that model for sales?
Of course Apple could go the "Ferrari" route and build around 100k cars a year, but would anyone expect such a low volume of cars to actually be affordable?
the guy is obviously narcissistic. “Apple doesn’t have any exciting designs coming” bro YOU CAN BARELY TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MODEL 3 AND A MODEL Y. Tesla designs are lazy now. Like, really lazy.
Before 2007 and especially 2010 (iPhone 4) we all thought that luxury-grade-built phones could only be made by companies like Vertu at extremely high prices and in limited production capacity.
Boy were we wrong, just hold the work of art and materials that is an iPhone 13 Mini for 699$. Pumped out of the assembly line in the millions a week.
I wouldn’t underestimate what Apple and their suppliers can come up with in the car space or, to be more precise, in the EV space (which poses a different set of problems compared to the ICE car space).
Not trying to defend Apple but here are a few points to your wonder:
Tooling for manufacturing
Chip design
Consumer Reports' 2021 Auto Reliability Report, read it please. Tesla come in last, dead last. I speak as a Tesla owner, too.
My battery died right after the warranty expired, lovely.
I mean if Apple can get a supplier to make millions of EV's a week, that would be pretty phenomenal.
This is all very true (my goodness especially when it comes to music)
Perhaps we could call Apple opportunistic instead of innovative. I still very much appreciate their fresh takes or improvements of already existing tech and blowing minds sometimes. Even just those little things like Spatial Audio in an already existing earbuds market.
if it works why change it, people aren't necessary buying tesla for its looks, rather the tech under the hood, by your definition no one should ever buy a porsche 911 since they haven't radically change anything for 50 years.Tesla Model S 2012 1st Gen:
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Tesla Model S 2022 3rd Gen:
Big changes over a decade right?.....
I think Tesla's two biggest hurdles as the EV market expands will be getting a better handle on quality/reliability and customer service. Quality seems to be hit and miss and many Tesla customers have been complaining that customer service has gone down hill since Tesla became a higher volume brand (following the launch of the Model 3).
Many new EVs will finally be coming on the market over the next several years form a wide variety of automakers and this choice and competition will be good for EV buyers/enthusiasts.