I personally never want to see that horrendous thing in person, but yes, that too.
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Tesla Design Chief on Apple Products: 'There's Nothing to Look Forward To'
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Soon as I thought Apple couldn't innovate with a radical change after the iPad, the AirPods proved me wrong.
Soon as I thought Apple couldn't innovate with a radical change after the AirPods, the M1 proved me wrong.
Things like Apple Watch, Apple Pencil, incremental changes to iPhone, etc., are hard to call innovations to me too.
But every so often Apple does come up with something new that's not a change for sake of change type of thing. Just not every year.
He seems biased and even jaded, but I doubt Tesla is worried about Apple - they are good at phones and tablets. Apple has been "trying" with AR glasses and the car for how many years? And how about that charging mat?
I think Tesla has a bit of inferiority complex vis a vis Apple. Elon has done this before, and now Franz too, bringing up Apple randomly to criticize them. Meanwhile Apple couldn't care less about them. Tesla is often called the "Apple of cars", but Apple is the "Apple of actually being Apple". And with Apple's car ambitions- Tesla will have a real competitor on their hands. Of course Apple Car may never ship. That's because if Apple can't get FSD to work, they won't ship it. Meanwhile, Tesla will call it a beta, sell it for $10K, and say it will be finished "next year".
Tesla is a great company, but the real "Apple of cars" would never hype vaporware. "Real artists ship"- Steve Jobs.
Tesla is a great company, but the real "Apple of cars" would never hype vaporware. "Real artists ship"- Steve Jobs.
In quite a few cases Apple‘s refinements to existing products have made a product usable und successful in the first place. Very few companies have done that more than once. I don’t think Tesla is one of them.
Mazda Kabura concept car is pretty ugly.
Tesla truck looks kind of homely; remember the bullet-proof glass demo ?
The yolk steering wheel, which genius is responsible for that?
Elon Must gave his child the dumbest name in the universe.
Tesla truck looks kind of homely; remember the bullet-proof glass demo ?
The yolk steering wheel, which genius is responsible for that?
Elon Must gave his child the dumbest name in the universe.
Exactly! Boring design, zero excitement to see them on the road. Dime a dozen.
Innovation isn’t just new looks and hardware. Apple has really done a lot more with their software in the past few years to make their ecosystem devices work much more closely than before. The new privacy protection, physical and mental health features, and chip upgrades are also appreciated. Big leaps feel impressive but often need years to live up to their promise. The smartphone is at a stage where everything is a full screen black slab with rounded corners and there isn’t much more that can be changed, especially since foldables and AR/VR aren’t mature enough to be mass market products yet. Software is where most of the excitement is.
He is right though. Keynotes became stale and except the AS (which is amazing) but not much to do with actual visual design there is nothing exciting anymore from Apple. SJ was great but not perfect. Tim is great businessman but lacks vision. We got touchbar, keyboard issues, airpower that we didn't see, killed airport Express/Extreme, killed displays, 1st Apple pencil charging, mouse charging etc. Honestly, there was only one product that I strangely loved as the design was so simple but also very impractical and it was DOA as it couldn't be updated and that was the trashcan Mac Pro.
It was very interesting product but it completely missed the targeted audience as it didn't deliver on anything except engineering exercise. The new Mac Pro fixed that
So yeah, Apple doesn't excite us anymore as they used to. Their keynotes were always great and it was so exciting to be part of that - now its just often very boring and uneventful.
The only thing I'm excited about these days is AS advancements as that is where Apple didn't stop innovating. Glad they are at least pushing the boundaries there.
It was very interesting product but it completely missed the targeted audience as it didn't deliver on anything except engineering exercise. The new Mac Pro fixed that
So yeah, Apple doesn't excite us anymore as they used to. Their keynotes were always great and it was so exciting to be part of that - now its just often very boring and uneventful.
The only thing I'm excited about these days is AS advancements as that is where Apple didn't stop innovating. Glad they are at least pushing the boundaries there.
There is really nothing I'm looking forward to from Tesla either. But they're still decent cars I guess.
Well would... if they could deliver.
Meh he has a point but I'd say he's just jealous that Apple's now so stable that its small, incremental updates are gonna make $$$. Whereas a criticism of Tesla is that their market for unreliable, undelivered, $$$ cars that fanatics love may have capped at about the same time that big brands are rolling out their cheaper, (probably) more reliable cars to the masses in batches they can deliver.
That and Musk is still trying to force Chinese SOEs to give them the metals they need for batteries at competitive prices, while the CCP's ramping up production of electric cars with plans of going international some time soon. Love how he even went over there and tried telling an expansionary dictatorship they HAD to do this. Cute.
The difference between Apple and Tesla is that Apple delivers, its stuff is affordable to the masses and it isn't just about to cop a whole heap of competition from companies that have taken their time to develop tech/factories. I mean why wait 18 months for a $100k+ Tesla when your Toyota/Subaru dealer has a heap of incremental (electric) updates to all its current models sitting in the yard? One might say a Tesla's exciting but all you get is leather seats, an iPad (essentially) on your dash, an interior that falls apart and the natural speed gain of going electric. They're not BMWs/Benz'... when options hit the market I reckon people will buy their $15k Subaru/Toyota (which will out-perform a Tesla & have masses of stock waiting in the yard) or their $100k Benz (which will be faster and more luxurious/prestigious than a Tesla). Not an incremental update of a Tesla that may not even be here for 18+ months. So sad buddy, so sad
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Delays aren’t uncommon with Apple either but at least they don’t delay products for years at a time. With Tesla it’s always a surprise when anything major ships on time. As Steve Jobs once said, “great artists ship”
Nah, Tesla can take it’s overhyped plastic expensive shitboxes and…never mind. They fit right into the hype economy…overhype, lie about the true specs, deliver late and have 5 in stock so they can milk the hype and call it “demand”.
at least their bummers don't fall off. or you can't open your door because it is too cold.
You're blind if you're not blown away by the CyberTruck. That thing will be the biggest chick magnet on wheels.
I love apple and tesla he had a opinion and that’s fine
It was talking about the brand that has 4 models and all of them are practically identical to each other.
Says the brand that has not even made a product cycle of its most long-lived model, which has been on sale for almost a decade without any aesthetic change on the outside (Model S, 2012).
The only one that doesn't look like it (Cybertruck) is garbage in design, they sell it as if it were cool, when it really is so to be cheaper because they don't have to work with plates to bend the steel/aluminum to shape it.
Says the brand that has not even made a product cycle of its most long-lived model, which has been on sale for almost a decade without any aesthetic change on the outside (Model S, 2012).
The only one that doesn't look like it (Cybertruck) is garbage in design, they sell it as if it were cool, when it really is so to be cheaper because they don't have to work with plates to bend the steel/aluminum to shape it.
May I present to you the iPhone 4.... um, wait, I mean, the iPhone 12.
Says the guy who works for Tesla. I am shocked. /s
Tesla design chief Franz von Holzhausen recently commented on Apple's design principles and product launches, lamenting that Apple doesn't deliver something "to look forward to."
During a podcast interview with Spike Feresten of Spike's Car Radio (via iPhone in Canada and Sawyer Merritt), Holzhausen said that Apple's devices are "just a continuation" and a "slight refinement on the same thing."
He also said that he "hates to say it" but he wears an Apple Watch "just because of the fitness thing side to it. Otherwise I haven't really found much purpose to it, other than the fitness part."
Holzhausen is responsible for designing the Tesla Model S, the Model 3, the Model X, and the Model Y, along with the unreleased Cybertruck. He has been with Tesla since 2008, and before that, he was the chief of design at Mazda and led the design of the Mazda Kabura concept car.
Apple and Tesla have a long history of poaching employees from one another, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk has also publicly sniped at Apple. Back in 2015, Musk famously called Apple the "Tesla Graveyard," and claimed that "if you don't make it at Tesla, you go work at Apple."
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? Love the instruction manual having to explain where to hit the door handle in order to open it in cold weather.
Sorry but I just think for the most part Tesla's are not attractive. I liked the original model (2013 Tesla Roadster)
, but the recent models are just a continuation or slight refinement of the same thing.
Not really a recall as it’s a remote software update. Only affects US cars, as we’re still waiting for the FSD beta here in the UK. ?