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So you are the other shooter on the grassy knoll?:D:D

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Tin foil on the head to stop government from reading your thoughts was actually created by the government because it increases reception. /s
 
Tesla is a fake front company to keep back electric car production, and an insult to Nikola Tesla. Volkswagen and Mini electric car production and sales would have both been in full swing if it weren't for a nefarious cabal keeping it all reined in. You'll scoff, but electric cars have been around for more than a century. You'll say it's due to battery size that they haven't ever been mass produced, but this would not have been an issue if there would have been charging stations set up everywhere. Elon Musk is a con-front-man for oil interests.

Isn't this the plot to disney's Cars 2?
 
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That's great, if the station is near where you want to eat. Until EV charging on long trip is as easy as filling with gas EV adoption will be very limited.
It's not as though infrastructure has to meet a specific threshold before Tesla even has a chance. I wouldn't have seriously considered Tesla two years ago, because a trip I make often would test the limits of its range. Now there are two supercharger stations on that route. My personal threshold has been reached. At least 200,000 other people feel the same.

The tipping point has likely passed. Tesla ownership and Tesla infrastructure will grow in parallel.

I remember when running low on gas on a lonely road in the middle of the night was a big deal. You couldn't just check GasBuddy to find the nearest station, and if you did find one, you had to sleep in your car until it opened in the morning. This lack of fuel availability is why ICE car adoption didn't really take off until the 1990s. Until then it was just a niche product.
 
Macrumors is busy hyping Tesla, that means we are waiting for the iPhone7, and apart from that nothing much is happening. So we Mac fans are fed news about a product that, just like a mac, requires electricity.
I hope we will get some great updates on washing machines soon.
 
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Get rid of that nose for a start... looks a thousand times better, but I bet it has something to do with pedestrian safety with the raised snout.. I've mocked up the change - far prefer it!

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Man, I'm so sick of managing batteries on tech devices that I can't imagine dealing with worrying about range and charging while driving a car. I hit the hotel room and set up a charging array, but only after selecting the appropriate adapter for whatever country I am visiting. In a Tesla, I'd be afraid to plug in my iPhone and iPad, as it would reduce my range by who knows how many miles! ;)

There is no way a full charge in 20 minutes doesn't affect battery life. Been working with LiPo's for years in a variety of applications, and charging sophistication is a big deal, requiring a smart charger and careful charging rates to keep the batteries happy.

Also talked to a Tesla rep in Boston who said that they tried a mid-distance slide-in, slide-out station halfway between LA and SFO. The entire battery tray can be changed out in less than ten minutes, similar to stopping for fuel. So far, the experimental station has not been successful, as people take their gas cars when making longer trips for obvious reason.

Mazda by the way, has done amazing work with regular gas engines, using high compression Sky Active technology that couples efficient engines and light vehicle weight, getting amazing milage with fantastic handling across their fleet.
 
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That's not the case. Currently they're building them at a loss even if they weren't investing elsewhere like the Gigafactory. It's a race to see if they can turn their vehicles profitable before running out of the money they have.

This is utter nonsense. Tells make 25-27% profit on each Model S: http://cleantechnica.com/2015/08/11/why-reuters-article-on-tesla-is-so-stupid-or-simply-evil/

I agree with you, actually, and I consider myself an environmentalist. We still haven't cracked the problem of having to burn dirty coal in order to charge these things. And the battery disposal is horrible for the environment as well. I like the steps Tesla is making, but a lot of this electric car stuff is BS. If it's not solar powered, I'm not super interested.

My electricity is 100% from renewables, as are Superchargers. The grid is in a continual process of improving.

I've always thought Tesla interiors looked cheap. I'm not a fan of a lot of bling (and I hate shiny chrome) but the Tesla interior just looks like cheap plastic. Like they had to cut corners somewhere to meet a price range and decided to do it with the interior. I know people elsewhere are claiming this isn't final but I wonder if that's not more hoping than anything else. I can't believe Tesla would show this off if there was a major change coming to the dashboard from a design standpoint.

The Model S interior is actually really nice to live with, it's very open and spacious and you grow to really appreciate that. However, I agree with you that the quality of materials used are not as good as they should be, and this is an area in which I hope they improve. It's certainly not luxurious by any standards.

No CarPlay, not getting my money.

Not really a sound criteria for a car purchase, is it?

Whenever I tell someone I want a Tesla they inevitably say, "yeah but the range is only 200 or 250 miles." Yeah, and I've gone on one trip in two years when that would have mattered, I have another car, and 99% of my driving is less than 20 miles a day.

Exactly!

I would use the steering wheel controls, but I get where you are coming from

You get used to the touch-screen very quickly.

That's my fear, that I'll have to shell out thousands of dollars to replace the batteries in the future. With a gas powered car properly maintained you can easily get to 200k+ which might encompass 10-15 years of driving. Of course we don't know what battery technology will look like in 10-15 years so it might just be a leap of faith.

Disclaimer: I'm a HUGE Tesla fan and would certainly love to get one. The reason I haven't is because I've found my 80k buys me MUCH more car when I get a gas one versus the Tesla S, plus it's got great mileage and is very cheap to run even though it's got a big engine.

There's nothing quite like driving a Tesla - it's all about the drive-chain, the rest is fairly superfluous. No other car, regardless of price, offers this.

I love that we can now make a (viable) total electric driven vehicle...my issue with the Tesla (and a lot of other EV's) is that they are not able make a cross country run, without a long wait to 'refuel'...the 'fuel' being electricity.

If they can...

- Create a power source that can be 'refueled' in no more than 10-15 minutes (like a gasoline/IC vehicle)
- And this was available at EVERY service station (like gasoline and diesel)
- Cost of vehicles is the same (or very close to; few hundred dollars at most) the cost of the equivalent gasoline/diesel vehicle (I.E.: Ford Escape gasoline vs Ford Escape EV)

it would be a no brainer to make the final conversation to all electric vehicles.

From what I've seen, Hydrogen may be the way to go (Toyota has bought in big with this), to power EV's. It seems that the distribution and delivery is very similar to gasoline/diesel, which means it will be easier and cheaper to transition to it and Hydrogen is the MOST abundant element in the Universe (and on Earth, for that matter).

Also, it's much cheaper to 'refine' Hydrogen than gasoline/diesel...no drilling for it and production can be created through Osmosis, using solar energy (cheap, after the initial equipment investment) as the catalyst.

You don't go cross-country every day. When you do, it doesn't take so long to Supercharge. It's actually really nice to stop for a bit every couple of hours - have a pee, get a coffee, stretch your legs. It's a much better way to travel distances in a car.

As for hydrogen, it's a- incredibly inefficient and power-intensive to produce, b) very difficult to transport, c) very difficult to store, d) very dangerous to transfer. There's almost no existing infrastructure. Electricity, on the other hand, is fairly ubiquitous.

I mean, I like the car and everything, but...

... I don't know: the fact that there's no front grills at the front of the car just makes me feel off for some reason. Maybe it's me just being used to seeing that on pretty much every car out there, but it just feels weird. It could just be for design in order for me to feel comfortable. Ah, whatever; I'll live with it.

And the other thing: I imagine it being difficult to drive around Toronto with this when I don't see a lot of Tesla charging stations.

I would one day like to buy a Tesla (used to like Audi and whatnot, but... well, you know), but the second issue should probably need to be resolved first before I'm comfortable enough to buy one (of course, once I have the money).

You mostly charge at home, not while driving around Toronto.

I think the car looks great, and can completely understand the excitement. But a $1000 for a place in line that starts in a year and a half???? For anybody that thinks a $1000 is a nice amount of money, why not just wait and avoid any risk? I don't like that they are asking for money so far in advance - why not start the deposits 6 months in advance instead of 18? It makes me say "no thanks" for now.

Get some cash in the bank and show the world how strong the demand is - all a run-up to a capital raise by Tesla for adding more production capability.

That computer screen is a joke. It's just asking for troubles on the road.

Never had troubles in two years driving Model S - and that's at faster speeds than in the US.

In that he is his exact opposite. Imagine if Steve Jobs bragged about the iPhone's mass-market appeal back in March 2006 and already collected hundred dollar bills for pre-orders almost two years in advance of the first iPhone deliveries in Late 2007. If he could Steve Jobs would never admit to be working on something before he could not sell millions of it the very next day. Oh and if he would develop a space rocket which was exploding on the ramp, he would hide his failure and not post a video on Facebook.

Elon Musk is the new Steve Balmer.

It requires a lot more vision and guts to successfully establish a new car manufacturer and build space rockets compared to computers and phones... Interestingly, Musk has very similar character traits in his work that Jobs displayed and I'm sure Steve would have really appreciated Elon's achievements.
 
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I was personally planning to get a Merc by 2018, and that was gonna cost me 'bout 100k.
Gods am tempted by Tesla now, but am pretty sure there isn't a lot of infrastructure in place over here.
Even though I live in the richest part of the entire country, I fear it'll be limited to the cities, not that I venture out much by a car anyway, and if the current government indeed does grant tax incentives then am sold.

Seriously, Apple where you at with your Apple Car?

Ah the future is delightful! :D

I don't get it. If your budget is $100K, you don't need to wait for the 3, just get an S now. It's much more car - more battery, more room, more performance. Why wait?
 
You think hiding that would be a good thing?
I think Apple appears innovative, in part because they don't show us their every misstep. You probably can't hide an exploding rocket, but you don't have to tweet about it either. Did Steve Jobs even have a Twitter account? I don't know, he answered the occasional email and wrote down his Thoughts on Flash. But he always painstakingly cared for his public persona and that of Apple. He wanted to surprise people with his keynotes, he wanted to avoid the Osborn effect and he wanted to hide from the copycats in Redmond. No way he would have unveiled a product more than one year in advance. And I think that is smart. I already don't care about that car anymore. Can't keep myself excited until Late 2017.
 
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Not sold on the complete removal of digital instrument panels directly in front of the driver. Seems like it would be annoying glancing over at the giant bright screen for basic speed indication. An optional headsup windshield display would be a much nicer solution imo, even if offered as an optional redundancy in functionality.

It's a prototype. The final version will likely have a speedo cluster or HUD.
 
Lets wait and see how much that turns out to be in real useage, and how much charge it will hold after being driven for a few years.

Cos sofar that is the real stoppage for full electric cars, they loose allmostr all their value relativly quick to failing batteries and insane prices for replacements.

Please support your assertions with actual citations and facts. My Model S battery has degraded a mere 2% in almost 3 years of use in the Arizona desert. Your misguided statements have no basis in fact. My car is rated 265 miles EPA and I achieve better than EPA range every single day in normal driving.

Please get your facts before saying things that are patently untrue.
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I've no idea how so many people sign up to a new car without reading the road tests and reviews first! Lunacy!

However having said all that I will most likely replace my diesel with one of these. I drive 600 miles a week so for me it would be a complete game changer.

I purchased a Model S without ever having driven one. Best car I've ever owned.
 
A thousand bucks gets you a spot in the virtual queue. Many people stood in a physical line for hours to pay a thousand bucks for an early spot in the virtual queue.

I waited until there were 115,000 people ahead of me. But getting the car in 2018 (or later) is better for me than getting it in late 2017.

The deposit is refundable if I decide I don't want the car.

There was a line at the dealer in my area yesterday. I had no idea why they were there when I drove by.
 
I think the car looks great, and can completely understand the excitement. But a $1000 for a place in line that starts in a year and a half???? For anybody that thinks a $1000 is a nice amount of money, why not just wait and avoid any risk? I don't like that they are asking for money so far in advance - why not start the deposits 6 months in advance instead of 18? It makes me say "no thanks" for now.

Because they can get away with it and it will generate a ton of cash. They've had 200,000+ reservations already. At $1000 each. Not bad for 24 hours work. I get what you're saying, though. Why not wait? Because at this point you probably won't see your vehicle until 2019.
 
That's great, if the station is near where you want to eat. Until EV charging on long trip is as easy as filling with gas EV adoption will be very limited.

Good lord, eat someplace different for a change. Or just top off and stretch your legs for 20 minutes. The Supercharger recharges the battery to around 70% in 30 minutes. A full charge takes longer. "Range anxiety" folks are just inventing problems. It's laughable.

Is an EV ideal for every single car owner on the planet? Of course not. Might you occasionally be inconvenienced on a long journey and have to chose your restaurant based on Supercharger location? Yes. Is it the end of the world and reason not to buy an EV? Only you can answer that for yourself, but if you answer yes, I'd say you're looney.
 
I wonder if this exact design came from say, Toyota or GM, would people still be drooling all over it or is it just because it's Tesla? To me it looks like a Mazda minus the front grille.

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If was an Apple car people would be drooling all over it.
 
It's a prototype. The final version will likely have a speedo cluster or HUD.

Eh, during the tech crunch test drive the guy showing off the car bragged about how there was no distracting light directly in front of the driver so I have my doubts.
 
It's not that I don't care about those things, it's just that most people can't afford to double an expense of theirs just to support a cause. It will be a beautiful day when all cars are electric, but that will not happen until the prices get in line with what the average family can afford. 75 Percent of the market would probably struggle with that car payment.

Fair enough. But the only way progress happens is if the people who can afford, buy. If you don't have the cash to buy in at 35K, or you want to allocate your cash towards other priorities, that's fine. But plenty of people DO have the cash and want to buy - for whatever reasons.

At 35K, the Model 3 is infinitely more affordable than the S or X. If, as you say, 75% of the market can't afford a Model 3, I'd say less then 5% can afford an S or X. Having expanded the potential market to 25% from 5% is huge.

So enjoy your gas-powered vehicle and let others put their money into progress at a premium. And when it's affordable to you, maybe you'll jump in too.
 
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