Apple would ruin Tesla and everything it stands for.
[doublepost=1459558364][/doublepost]
Tesla is what Apple used to be. Apple is more like Microsoft and IBM now.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Tesla Unveils $35,000 Model 3 Electric Car, Shipping Late 2017
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Apple would ruin Tesla and everything it stands for.
[doublepost=1459558364][/doublepost]
Tesla is what Apple used to be. Apple is more like Microsoft and IBM now.
Said Reply #208. No interest to MacRumors readers whatsoever.
How is it any more distracting than all of the other modern cars that have touch screens in the center?
Not yet, am still saving, was trying to get one when am 25.
Except since our Government taxes us like crazy, I can only get the top line 16' E Class as we have crazy 100-150% import duty + taxes. But heard rumours that 'cause of the excessive pollution around here, government might subsidise or at least lower the taxes on electric or hybrid cars, PM had a meet with Musk at Tesla too a year back.
So if I can get a great American car for 70k or less, then I believe it'll be worth it. (unless we don't get superchargers)
I was thinking the same. Big cities are the biggest challenge for electric cars. You spend 20-30 minutes to find a parking spot now. Imagine what it would be like to find a spot near a charging station.
Just based on price alone? The T3 looks very similar to the S, and for less than $30k you get a sexy EV.
Yeah? Tesla is what a ponzi scheme used to be like. Collect money first, promise great many things in the far future. If Ford and GM would do it, you would be sceptical, but the peculiar charm of Elon Ponzi lets you forget all caution. Even as they knew, this was the man who sold them a reusable exploding rocket, people kept sending the guy money into prison.
Steve Jobs also showed the 1st iPhone before they could ship it for another 6 months or so.
Also the Steve Balmer comparison is totally void. Balmer is a salesmen with much vision and expertise. Most he could do is jump around and scream "Developers^3".
And Jobs also did side-projects like Pixar like Musk is doing rocket science.
Btw. I totally understand the announcement way ahead of market entry: Mass manufacturing a car is a little more money intensive than ordering iPhone production at Asian OEMs. And he certainly wants to set precedence before BMW and Audi announce their next gen e-cards.
Your post sounds a bit negative for a many and company who tries to better the world with a vision.
[doublepost=1459577336][/doublepost]
To be fair they already delivered a product 1, 2, and 2.5
I also thought this particular quote of Musk was legally unwise. But this is similar how Ford Model T production, or Volkswagen Beetle financed future products likewise.
That's how it worked. Guess how many Apple I and Apple II financed all the Lisa and Macs, ...
It is a shame though, that all our iPhone and iPad purchases now mostly finance the spaceships HQ :-/ Guess that is where the revolutionary Apple products went these days :-/
I was referring to the practice that Tesla 3 pre-orders require a $1,000 down payment at least one and a half year in advance of delivery. With 150,000 pre-orders so far Elon Musk has already collected 150 million dollars from hopeful customers without delivering a single car. This might turn out to be the biggest Kickstarter blunder of all time.
If the company could finance the Model 3 development with profits from Model S and X or risk capital, I would have said nothing. So far I only see them stealing the good name of Nikola Tesla.
Last edited:
We have an 02 mini and, while not the same, the speedo is in the center of the dash rather than standard instrument panel. I thought it would be a problem but it really wasn't/ hasn't been.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'd have to drive it to really know. My preconceptions were proven false already, after all.
[doublepost=1459579249][/doublepost]
Most car manufacturers (in the sates) dont warranty anything beyond 3-4 years, and I mean ANYTHING. We have a prius going on 11 years and teh warranty has been gone for longer than hald of the life of the car now; no battery issues whatsoeevr (we just had everything major checked at 110k miles on the odometer). My point is that the length a warranty lasts isn;t necessarily indicative of longevity of a product. And 8 year warranty, in this case, likely exists to instill trust in your buyer. After all, warrantying something that is likely to break is bad business; it costs the manufacturer tons in repair both in parts and labor. I don't suspect warranties on this model to be different, but as you said, we will have to see.
I am curious about tax incentives (again in the states). My friend just bought a volt (chevy) and gets $10k in tax credits. If this applies to this vehicle that's effectiely getting this car for $25k. That's about average pbase price for a sedan around here. With a minimum of 215 mile range this car is the commuter's dream; doesn't seem like you need to sacrifice a whole lot with this vehicle, on paper anyway.
[doublepost=1459579589][/doublepost]
Admittedly I don;t follow Tesla as much as I maybe should (partially because, until now, none of their cars fit in my price range), but haven't they always delivered on their promises? I feel like we have very little reason to start assuming things won't work out, unless of course we just tend to take the pessimist side of things (not necesarily a criticism, I am a pessimist myself in some aspects of life). This particular case just doesn't seem to strike me as problematic. Tesla is run with a very different business model from many (all?) other car manufacturers starting with, but not limited to, giving away patents for the betterment of humanity.
That front doesn't look good. Looks like someone smashed up the front nose into a brick wall. The model X is ugly and the model S needs a refresh. Great kickstarter program tho. 180m in deposits to wait for 2 years. whew.. Thank you come again.
For the better of publicity stunts! Tesla doesn't want to save the planet, Tesla wants to build a billion dollar company on the hopes and dreams of environmentalists. Prior to Tesla there were affordable electric cars and car makers tried to make them even more affordable. Not so Tesla, they said we will build an electric sports car. It can be super fast, long range and quick loading as long as wasted resources and money is not a problem. They lifted the electric car out of average people's price range and then tricked investors to believe, prices will come down as soon as we start mass production of the car technology nobody can afford. We have every reason to believe this will end in an epic fail, especially as so many people put their faith in it and so very few apply critical thinking.
Once again, they are now three vehicles into production without the company failing to produce what they promised. We will have to agree to disagree I this one I guess.
Pricing, to my knowledge, was never a "we will make this cheaper the more we sell". The other cars were clear luxury vehicles. This is taking the battery and electric motor tech and putting it into a pretty standard sedan body. Most car companies sell cars that vary vastly in price points as well as features. Tesla seems.to be no exception; they simply started with the luxury models first.
But again, I'm just going to agree to disagree here. We clearly have very different views on what Tesla is about. I'm OK with that.
It's not the car body which made the Tesla S and X expensive. It's precisely the battery and electric motor tech which they are taking over to the standard sedan body. Tesla made no big profit margins with its luxury models, so there is no room for a price drop. Take for example Apple, they make 40% profit, of course they can make an iPhone SE 64GB (which is 33% cheaper than the iPhone 6s 64GB) with some older, cheaper parts and still make a healthy profit. Not so Tesla, if people really only pay 35K and buy no extras, the company is gone. Unless they did make a breakthrough invention and gave the patents away for free, which would be an even stupider move. Because it would lead to some Asian manufacturer making all the money and Tesla going bankrupt anyway.
The exception is that those companies make huge profits with the luxury versions of their combustion engine cars. It's all about manufacturing costs, not sales price. Every car maker in the world could build a great electric car and sell it at the price of a cheap petrol car, but not everyone could make money doing so.
You could stick a number plate on the front like most countries do.
[doublepost=1459586731][/doublepost]
Considering it is an ex Mazda designer doing the design at Tesla these days, it is hardly surprising.
Fact is Lithium based batteries have a limited lifespan and cost a fortune if bought car-sized.
It's also quite clear that the raw materials needed will shot up in price if real massproduction of such car batteries start.
Maybe Tesla has all these things sorted out, maybe they are are just rinding the hype.
Doesn't really matter cos I won't be needing a new car for atleast another 5 years and if by then affordable electric cars have prooven their ground I might even buy one.
But surely not from a company doing prepay stunts !
It's also quite clear that the raw materials needed will shot up in price if real massproduction of such car batteries start.
Maybe Tesla has all these things sorted out, maybe they are are just rinding the hype.
Doesn't really matter cos I won't be needing a new car for atleast another 5 years and if by then affordable electric cars have prooven their ground I might even buy one.
But surely not from a company doing prepay stunts !
The Tesla brilliance is well overdue. A lot of previous electric cars have been very unappealing in terms of their design. However, in the case where the design has been appealing, and has proved to be popular, the parent manufacturing company has done the craziest thing of all by shutting down the project.
For example, in 2000, USA’s General Motors subsidiary company Holden Australia, produced the ECOmmodore, which while not a fully electric car, was a hybrid concept family sized car developed in conjunction with the CSIRO (a scientific research agency in Australia). A highly popular concept, the car toured the USA and Germany. The exterior body design and interior was essentially a current model that was in production at the time, highly popular and exported to various regions of the world. However, sadly the ECOmmodore project was killed by General Motors. That car could have been a change mechanism at least 16 years ago, but the GM powers that be had put an end to that and GM have never ventured into fully electric cars on the road unlike Tesla.
The Tesla mindset however is entirely different to companies like GM. We've moved on from hybrids and fully electric is here. The Tesla Model 3 is a great way forward and something I’ve been waiting for many, many years. The Tesla business is entirely geared towards making magic, and it certainly is. Tesla is not going to do a disappearing act, Tesla's act has just started and will be on stage for a long time to come.
Very well done Tesla, take a bow!
ECOmmodore images back in 2000 via: http://media.gm.com/media/au/en/hol...u/en/vehicles/holden/Concepts/ECOmmodore.html
Hybrid hype, but who killed the ECOmmodore? via:
Last edited:
