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Thanks Apple, for the three year old Graphics Chip...
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I do 3D graphics as well, and I disagree. If you can't get by with the latest (best) graphics card offerings in any 3D application, then there's something wrong with your workflow. 3D apps will always outpace the hardware available and at times, you'll have to find ways to work within the constraints of your GPU. Any 3D graphics artist worth their salt knows this.
Bottom line is you won't get near to desktop performance on a laptop without compromises, and Apple aren't prepared to make them. If that's not acceptable to you then you need to look elsewhere for your portable hardware. Apple don't care, they're seeing mac sales go up quarter on quarter.
Also, please don't lower the credibility of your argument by resorting to calling anyone who disagrees with you a fanboy.
How is a machine that sports the latest CPU technology along with killer industrial design and great battery life "Lower end"? Just because the GPU isn't the most powerful on the market?
That's a weak argument.
$1800-$2300 for a 15" low res laptop display with a weak mid-range GPU sporting dual-core CPUs for nice design and OS X is not worth it to some. For the rest of the Apple community willing to accept higher cost and lower specifications, Apple shareholders thank you profusely for your continued patronage!
Cheers,
I know exactly what I'm buying, and I resent the implication that the only reason I'd buy this computer is that I'm too brainwashed, stupid and/or gullible to know better.
If I thought a computer from another company represented better value for money - in terms of what I look for in computers - I'd get it.
If I thought a computer from another company represented better value for money - in terms of what I look for in computers - I'd get it.
It's not so much as being an apple fanboy, many people including myself have no choice but to buy an overpriced mac simply because os x cannot be legally installed on regular pc hardware. And we need osx for work/business.
It's one of the reasons i think apple is one of the worst companies (much evil than microsoft). They force the user to buy identical pc hardware with an apple logo and charge 2x as much. I have no problem with their price premium if:
1) their hardware spec is at least decent
OR
2) they also give user option to install os x on a pc, so user can pick if they want to pay the premium for sleek apple design.
The new mbp is a clear example, after so much waiting, we ended up with a 6 months old laptop that's widely available for the pc, with a substandard graphic card and no bluray.
It's one of the reasons i think apple is one of the worst companies (much evil than microsoft). They force the user to buy identical pc hardware with an apple logo and charge 2x as much. I have no problem with their price premium if:
1) their hardware spec is at least decent
OR
2) they also give user option to install os x on a pc, so user can pick if they want to pay the premium for sleek apple design.
The new mbp is a clear example, after so much waiting, we ended up with a 6 months old laptop that's widely available for the pc, with a substandard graphic card and no bluray.
i couldnt agree more, the graphic card was a major letdown. Especially bad considering you cannot upgrade it yourself like memory/hdd.
why apple didnt use a newer gpu for a $2000+ laptop is beyond comprehension.
i'll explain it to you in a way that will be easy to understand:
apple is looking to make big profits. by putting cheap hardware into the system, they have to spend less money on building the system while charging the same amount of money as usual (because there's no one in direct competition with them). today they spat in the face of their dedicated fans by rolling out more pathetic upgrades, and hiking prices. they did the same thing with the current imacs, and i suspect that they'll do the same thing with the mac pro and macbook air in the very near future.
people keep praising steve like he invented fire, but in reality he's just doing it for himself (if you sit down and think about it for a minute, you'll realize that the company is selfish, and does the whole user experience, and being environmental friendly gimmick to make money), and selling the false apple cult idea to mindless sheep.
Have you considered the R&D costs of this? A new CPU or a new GPU requires a redesign of the entire motherboard.
Its nothing wrong with the workflow when it works on the next guys HP without a stutter. The difference is that the HP has an appropriate GPU.
My remark was directed to myself because I bought my current Mac (now almost 4 years old) wanting to believe that 2+2 = 5 just because it was a Mac. I also believe that Apple is very misleading in its GPU claims on the website...of course...all companies do that too.
Preferring a certain style and functionality (OS X) over substance (better hardware specs) is a matter of personal preference. Apple buyers have traditionally accepted the hardware limitation in order to maintain that which they deem important. This acceptance is validated by their continued acquisitions of these Apple products regardless of specification.
While many of us may prefer better specs, even if it results in a heavier system with a few hours less battery life, Apple didn't ask us, nor do they care. As long as whatever they produce sells, nothing will change.
Having a preference and being willing and able to make purchases based on said preference is not gullible! Just means you like what you buy and buy what you like. As for those of us who prefer something more we can choose to buy Apple products less often since we have no choice if we want/need or prefer OS X.
Cheers,
Of which I am one, so I guess I should be thanking myself.
As a happy Mac Pro and Macbook pro owner, I'm also thankful of the income generated on my machines which have been more or less totally reliable and have lasted longer than any PC I've ever had, whilst remaining capable.
In summary, I don't care as much about value for money on an initial purchase as much as longevity, build quality, support and of course available software tools.
LOL, that's very colourful language you're using. Did they? Did Steve Jobs make that noise in the back of his throat like he was making an oyster and then personally launch it into my face with a spiteful "f*ck you, shut up and buy this!"
Or did they give all the whiners on here the CPU they wanted, as well as improving the GPU to a standard good enough for everyone except hardcore gamers who should be buying an Alienware anyway?
Meheheheh.
the village ....
and user swappable batteries that drain in 4 hours max each, so you can carry a couple of extra batteries with you...
Yeah,I'm disapointed too that they used a old graphics chip,i went into a local custom computer shop today and the vice president laughed that they used the 320M and 330M GT.
I'm rather disappointed with the new 15 mbp. It may have good battery life but at the huge sacrifice of a poor graphics card. They culd have done much better with ati but i guess that company is now off apples list due to the last problem. The 330 is really the only other alternative but it is sloooow compared to atis. Atis 5650 has 15-20 pecent on the 330 but lets see the real world bench.
And more and more people are getting burnt like this every day, Macs are getting more and more popular, and so are games, and so are games on Mac OS X.
If you are asking yourself now, "shall I just go for it anyway?" don't. No, it can't run any current gen games at anything like a respectable framerate, no, it's not worth the price tag. Don't buy it, you'll regret it. Wait for the next refresh but just be aware you have a 99% chance of being disappointed again then.