The 16GB iPhone is NOT a ripoff

[terraphantm]

It happenned in 2013. Apples profits was down less than 10% and stock tanked 45%.

That 10% profit loss had nothing to do with bumping storage (since they didn't do that in 2013). Going from 16GB to 32GB wouldn't cause even a 1% profit loss.

The S years are in fact typically perfect to bump up the storage since they could hide the cost increase in the money they save by not having to reengineer the whole design.

 

[terraphantm]

Use the cloud or backup on your computer. There really isnt any reason to keep 10,000 photos and 40 GBs of video locally on a phone.

With 16GB, you could easily run out of space during a single trip.

 

[warrior2000]

You're right, the Apple TV doesn't need 32GB, there's much less reason for it to have it than the iPhone.

Just accept it. The only reason the iPhone has 16GB still as the base is because Apple can push more people to spend $100 more for 64GB, and for those that still get the 16GB they will be more likely to upgrade earlier.

Apple is charging a price people are willing to pay. If you are a power user go upgrade the phone. For millions 16 GB is perfectly fine.

 

[pika2000]

I think paying for an iPhone is a rip-off. Apple should give me the 128GB iPhone 6S for free.



1. Apple is a for-profit business
2. Apple offers 64GB version where 2 years ago you only got 32GB
3. If you think iPhone is too expensive, there are other smartphones out there.

The popularity of the iPhone shows you that consumers think it is not a rip-off, and the price is appropriate.

 

[Surf Donkey]

I think paying for an iPhone is a rip-off. Apple should give me the 128GB iPhone 6S for free.



1. Apple is a for-profit business
2. Apple offers 64GB version where 2 years ago you only got 32GB
3. If you think iPhone is too expensive, there are other smartphones out there.

The popularity of the iPhone shows you that consumers think it is not a rip-off, and the price is appropriate.

So by that logic, why not start with 8GB for the base price? More profit, use the cloud. The phone only NEEDS 3.7 GB of space to run.

 

[Mitsjke]

2. Apple offers 64GB version where 2 years ago you only got 32GB

Wow, that's so kind! Now you only pay 100$ instead of 200$ for a 3$ upgrade...

 

[pika2000]

So by that logic, why not start with 8GB for the base price? More profit, use the cloud. The phone only NEEDS 3.7 GB of space to run.

Apple did. iPhone 5c was 8GB last year at the lowest price point. The market probably has spoken otherwise.

 

[batting1000]

You can turn off 4k video and use 1080p.

4k is an advanced feature for advanced users.

And cloud storage is so dirt cheap from Apple ( 99 cents for 50GB) and other vendors that there is no reason to keep these massive files on your phone.

I know people cry all the time that they don't want their files on the cloud but just on the device. That is stupidity. What happens when their phone crashes? They lose EVERYTHING.

How often has your iOS device crashed causing you to lose everything?

 

[saintforlife]

No. Apple is not ripping off anyone.

So you joined the forum just two days ago and this is your first post? Yeah, you are either a troll or an Apple employee.

 

[BurgDog]

If people like and are willing to buy the low end product, Apple would be stupid not to offer it. Don't presume that those people are uniformed as to what they are getting, it meets their needs so they buy it. Having a low end entry product is good marketing, get people into buying the product and may lead to upgrades in the future. Total profits on the low end also help to subsidize some of the prices of the higher end products. Win all around for everyone.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Apple did. iPhone 5c was 8GB last year at the lowest price point. The market probably has spoken otherwise.

Why keep it there? Put it as the same base price in the 6S (+) in place of the 16GB? No one needs the space, that is the whole argument right? And if you do, you can upgrade.

 

[pika2000]

Wow, that's so kind! Now you only pay 100$ instead of 200$ for a 3$ upgrade...

Do you prefer to have it at 32GB for the same price?

 

[terraphantm]

So you joined the forum just two days ago and this is your first post? Yeah, you are either a troll or an Apple employee.

I think even Apple employees know it's a ripoff. It's obviously an upsell tactic

 

[pika2000]

Why keep it there? Put it as the same base price in the 6S (+) in place of the 16GB? No one needs the space, that is the whole argument right? And if you do, you can upgrade.

Yes. But obviously Apple didn't do it. So maybe their numbers showed 16GB to be the sweet spot for positioning, market tolerance, upsell, and profit.

But hey, I demand Apple to give me 128GB iPhone 6S for free because I think me paying a penny for the iPhone 6S is a total rip-off.

 

[C DM]

So by that logic, why not start with 8GB for the base price? More profit, use the cloud. The phone only NEEDS 3.7 GB of space to run.

Yeah, that reality just gets conveniently overlooked and avoided whenever it gets brought up since logically it basically destroys much of the argument.

 

[geoff5093]

Use the cloud or backup on your computer. There really isnt any reason to keep 10,000 photos and 40 GBs of video locally on a phone.

Let's use 35Mbps as the bitrate for phone 4k. That works out to 3.8 minutes per GB. Storage can fill up fast.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Yes. But obviously Apple didn't do it. So maybe their numbers showed 16GB to be the sweet spot for positioning, market tolerance, upsell, and profit.

But hey, I demand Apple to give me 128GB iPhone 6S for free because I think me paying a penny for the iPhone 6S is a total rip-off.

Exactly. I am just counter-arguing with the same logic. Perhaps the phones should start at 0GB space and as you expand you can pay more monthly on demand.....don't want Apple giving away anything for free, right?? Think of the profits!

Wait a minute, this is starting to sound familiar. Sucks when the finance guys meddle in making a good product.

 

[geoff5093]

Do you prefer to have it at 32GB for the same price?

Yes, at the base price.

 

[C DM]

Yes. But obviously Apple didn't do it. So maybe their numbers showed 16GB to be the sweet spot for positioning, market tolerance, upsell, and profit.

But hey, I demand Apple to give me 128GB iPhone 6S for free because I think me paying a penny for the iPhone 6S is a total rip-off.

The market and people can bear a lot of things, that doesn't mean they should be happening. Much of regulations in the business world exist so that those types of things don't get abused. It's not to say that anything like abuse is happening here, it's to say that the pure approach of letting the market sort it out has plenty of history of not being the right thing on many levels.

 

[oldmacs]

I think even Apple employees know it's a ripoff. It's obviously an upsell tactic

Exactly. That first long post was also posted as the identical reply to something I wrote in another thread.

Its not correct anyway. Apple has an estimated somewhere between 50-70 percent profit margin on the iPhone, not 23 or some rubbish - that apparently induces R and D which usually averages about 5 percent of Apple's gross margins - not very much.

The argument that increasing the iPhone to 32GB for the base storage will mean apple won't innovate anymore is literally the most stupid thing I've ever read.

Apple is literally rolling in the dough. ROLLING IN IT. Its cost cutting measures like this and ford example putting 1 GB of ram in the iPhone 6/Air/Mini2/Mini3 that demonstrate they don't care about customer experience.

Plenty of people are locked into the base model due to a lack of finances so increasing it will make that a better proportion for them. The 16GB could still be offered, maybe for $50 or so under the 32GB, giving everyone a good choice.

Spinning this as anything other than Apple greed is just crazy. As others have highlighted the Galaxy S6 which has a built quality approaching the iPhone amongst many other attractive features starts at 32GB, so theres no reason for the 6S not to.

 

[BurgDog]

Always amusing that people consider stuff they don't personally want as having no value to others. It is harmless to basically offer a low-end product for less money. Why does that offend so many people? Also the fact the Apple makes what they consider to be excessive profits. Hmm.

 

[pika2000]

The market and people can bear a lot of things, that doesn't mean they should be happening. Much of regulations in the business world exist so that those types of things don't get abused. It's not to say that anything like abuse is happening here, it's to say that the pure approach of letting the market sort it out has plenty of history of not being the right thing on many levels.

Seriously dude, abuse? WTF? It's a freaking iPhone. You need to set your priorities straight.

Do you see prices for products from brands such as Armani, Coach, BMW, etc?

 

[terraphantm]

Apple is literally rolling in the dough. ROLLING IN IT. Its cost cutting measures like this and ford example putting 1 GB of ram in the iPhone 6/Air/Mini2/Mini3 that demonstrate they don't care about customer experience.

Exactly. Apple used to be a company that put the customer experience first and everything else second. They were extremely profitable because that sort of ideology is rare in business.

Now they're like everyone else, chasing quarterly earnings at the expense of their reputation.

 

[warrior2000]

Wow, that's so kind! Now you only pay 100$ instead of 200$ for a 3$ upgrade...

You seriously think moving from 16GB to 128GB only cost Apple $3?

 

[oldmacs]

Always amusing that people consider stuff they don't personally want as having no value to others. It is harmless to basically offer a low-end product for less money. Why does that offend so many people? Also the fact the Apple makes what they consider to be excessive profits. Hmm.

You're calling the 6S a low end product?

Its an over $1000 phone in Australia. Nothing low end about that.