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And there actually have been graphics cards to require additional power, such as the ATI 9800 Pro (see attached img), but not from outside the case of course.

Yes, yes, but this MagSafe power is to plug in the 24" Cinema Display as though the tower was a freaking NOTEBOOK.

Just leave it hanging there, for crying out loud...
 
Few things:
1) Very Nice Thread! Way to go on this one Tallest.

2) I came across this on the interwebs and thought it was a cool mock up. Worth sharing to all you fine people.

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Here's the link. It's on MacBlogz. There is a lot more info on this mockup there.

Sorry if someone posted this before. 34 pages is a lot to read.

I like it, but I have a few concerns. Like tallest skill said, you can't have the HDMI ports on the motherboard. They could replace the unneeded magsafe ports. An HDMI in on the front wouldn't be a bad idea. I also like that they make use of the dual height slot graphics. The other issue is the slot loading drives. As far as I can tell, slot loading half height desk optical drives aren't currently made, only slim and ultra slim notebook drives. If they would have one developed for them that can take mini optical disks, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.
 
Maybe I don't know anything about the flow of power, but I don't think you can have power input to a GPU, can you?
You can. I remember the old Voodoo 6 (that never actually came out) was going to require an external power supply to run it. Shoot to run two GTX 260's nvidia recommends at the low end a 750W power supply. Nevermind the rest of the system that has to run. To power two GTX 295's they recommend a 1.2kW power supply.


A 300W booster that looks like ti takes up a 5.25" bay and all it does is provide power for the GPU's. Looking at the specs it provides 25A on the +12V rail.

The TurboCool 1200 is what Apple would have to look at, that +12V rail sure is purdy though (100A)... :D
 
Doesn't it have to be in triads? Wouldn't it be three DIMMs?
No, as others have already said, it can operate in 1, 2, OR 3 channel mode. You just get better throughput with additional channels used. :)
Well Intel will support both, but we know Apple can have hardware that is supported without a second thought on the generic platform not work on their own version. Registered is obviously beneficial, especially for those using OS X for important or critical applications. Even more so with large amounts of memory. Unbuffered of course not only offers a lower price, but is also faster.

We know Apple has weird ideas on how to cater to certain requirements of the user though. With what appears to be little thought for those who have to pay for features they don't need just to improve Apple's product line image.
Exactly. You just made it a little clearer. :D

I know Intel's parts will do both, but Apple is odd, and may have Registered disabled in the MP. I would hope not, as it would remove the MP from consideration for certain uses. Even if they don't do something stupid err... weird, I would expect it to have Unbuffered in the base model to reduce costs. Probably single channel as well, at no more than 2GB per CPU for the same reason. Apple won't lower their margins to that of Dell's. :p

I agree, in this instance I would say apple will supply RAM in triple channel - the way it is meant to be.
It would be nice, but it's likely to only be an option, given the cost. Even for Unregistered.

Besides, Apple didn't fill all 4 channels with FB-DIMM on the current models either, so there's also a little history I'm basing this on. ;)
 
Hee hee. I don't care if it has 5 mag safes on it, when the new Mac Pro comes out I will buy it. I have to buy a new MP soon. I just don't want to buy last years tech today when this years' may come out tomorrow (but likely not :) ). That being said, if it has slot loading drives I will buy an external and be very grumpy.:mad:
 
can't imagine they'd put slot drives in the pro. do they even make slot loading internal desktop drives? yuck.
Not sure about now in general, as I haven't noticed any, but Pioneer used to. I've still got a 24x CD-ROM lying around somewhere. :eek: Still works too. :)

But if Apple wanted it, they'd be able to order enough quantity that having such a thing made is possible. :apple: :p
 
I thought I would mention that was a nice mock up, the Mag Safe is a daft idea though and the on board HDMI is a good idea if it's just to be used for powering TV's for instance as they only go up to 1080P currently.

I though I would also go back to what I said about the graphics cards test. NONE of them had Display Port but had HDMI, including the 5800 Quadro. So does that mean the chips do not support display port? The Quadro cards were made by PNY, who makes the ones for Apple?
 
I thought I would mention that was a nice mock up, the Mag Safe is a daft idea though and the on board HDMI is a good idea if it's just to be used for powering TV's for instance as they only go up to 1080P currently.

I though I would also go back to what I said about the graphics cards test. NONE of them had Display Port but had HDMI, including the 5800 Quadro. So does that mean the chips do not support display port? The Quadro cards were made by PNY, who makes the ones for Apple?

Probably PNY. They were the sole manufacturer for a long time, Leadtek started making Quadros last year. They are all the same anyway. The FX 5800 doesn't have HDMI by the way, it has 2xD-DVI and DisplayPort.
 
Probably PNY. They were the sole manufacturer for a long time, Leadtek started making Quadros last year. They are all the same anyway. The FX 5800 doesn't have HDMI by the way, it has 2xD-DVI and DisplayPort.

Upon reading more carefully on the PNY website, the card has a display port! I should of read the article several times haha. So yes you are right, it just looks like HDMI, I was expecting a Display Port to look the same as the on on my MB Pro?
 
Upon reading more carefully on the PNY website, the card has a display port! I should of read the article several times haha. So yes you are right, it just looks like HDMI, I was expecting a Display Port to look the same as the on on my MB Pro?

Your MBP has Mini DisplayPort

I just want DVI - the last thing i want when spending £2K+ on a machine is the added expense of 3 x £50 on adapters for my monitors.
 
Probably PNY. They were the sole manufacturer for a long time, Leadtek started making Quadros last year. They are all the same anyway. The FX 5800 doesn't have HDMI by the way, it has 2xD-DVI and DisplayPort.
It'll make things easier for them to switch out the DisplayPort for a Mini DisplayPort connector. :rolleyes:
Your MBP has Mini DisplayPort

I just want DVI - the last thing i want when spending £2K+ on a machine is the added expense of 3 x £50 on adapters for my monitors.
It's Apple. They find ways to keep sticking it to their users. :(
 
I'm also hoping no adapters for the gainstown mac pro and the new gpu just has a mini display port built in.
 
It's Apple. They find ways to keep sticking it to their users. :(
That's right. They sit in their new product meetings thinking of ways of sticking it to customers.

Give us all a break!

Having been involved in the new product process at Apple, I can tell that sticking it to the customers never comes up as a topic in new product meetings.

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That's right. They sit in their new product meetings thinking of ways of sticking it to customers.

Give us all a break!

Having been involved in the new product process at Apple, I can tell that sticking it to the customers never comes up as a topic in new product meetings.

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As an employee of Apple (that I am giving with absolutely NO proof, and am just saying it to prove that mentioning it means NOTHING at all...) I know that it's not mentioned in word, only in deed. As with the iMac, Mac Mini, and ...... oh, those are the only towers that users have to toss out and get completely new ones after 3 years or a small issue arises.

I agree, they don't stick it to their customers, but Apple does find ways to milk their fan base for all the money they have and brain wash many into believing that it's justified.
 
C'mon Gainstown Mac Pro... Please release it before the economic catastrophe~!!!

Um, that would mean Gainestown would have been released prior to banks buying up consolidated bad home mortgages over the last decade. Or before Americans started consuming more than they produced in the 1970s. Or perhaps even prior to Nixon opening the way for trade with China, depending on the extremity of your viewpoint. Wow, those boys at Intel were forward thinking. HP eat your heart out.;)
 
I find it unlikely as Apple does not manufacture the GPU and hence won't have a say in its connections.

If you look at the PC version of any Apple card, you'll see that they have S-Video.

None of Apple's cards have S-Video.

Apple most certainly has a say.

Apple do not manufacture the GPU, but then neither do the board manufacturers: the GPUs (the actual chips) are bought in. Apple do have the boards manufactured to their own OEM spec (remember the different ROMs) so they have total control over the output connectors. Modern GPUs can drive pretty much any output connector(s) the customer wants: Apple simply lay down a spec for the board including this and that's what they get.
 
That's right. They sit in their new product meetings thinking of ways of sticking it to customers.

Give us all a break!

Having been involved in the new product process at Apple, I can tell that sticking it to the customers never comes up as a topic in new product meetings.

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Sorry if I used the wrong emoticons. :eek:

I was actually thinking in terms of finding ways to supplement income by selling adapters and cables. Nice margins. ;)

It just seems odd to me to use components specifically designed for laptops in a workstation. The concept of a unified parts bin to cut costs doesn't really apply, as Apple doesn't actually manufacture the parts. It could be another story if they did, depending on the accounting of per unit costs. From a design POV, the space savings isn't necessary, and the desktop variants are structurally more robust. Standard DVI-D/I/A, and DisplayPort components are already in the supply line, and are certainly cheap enough. So I don't see a cost savings to justify such a decision.

So what else would be the reasoning?
I find it unlikely as Apple does not manufacture the GPU and hence won't have a say in its connections.
If you order enough parts, you can afford to have a custom card made. ;)
 
If you look at the PC version of any Apple card, you'll see that they have S-Video.

None of Apple's cards have S-Video.

Apple most certainly has a say.

I know this is stupid, but can you tell me why the Display Port on the Quadro cards look like HDMI ports in suze etc when the Display Port on my Mac Book Pro looks like a shrunk firewire port? I thought it was one standard, one siocket?
 
I know this is stupid, but can you tell me why the Display Port on the Quadro cards look like HDMI ports in suze etc when the Display Port on my Mac Book Pro looks like a shrunk firewire port? I thought it was one standard, one siocket?

DisplayPort ≠ Mini DisplayPort.

In port size/shape only, though. Mini DisplayPort is the exact same spec.
 
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