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Not to be a curmudgeon or anything, but Seattle won two of their three Open Cups at home...must be nice to play cup finals in front of 35k of your own fans!!

Why the Open Cup final is not held at a neutral venue (in the MLS era) I'll never understand. I think that is plain stupid. For me, the victory comes with an asterisk - though Seattle should have won the match anyway since the Fire are having a poor season and Seattle are very good.

I suppose I'm still bitter the Crew had to fly accross to the country last season to face our old manager steering Seattle to a cup final win in their own stadium, with the league barely able to contain its bias against us since Seattle is so much more marketable. :eek: ...

They have to play at a home venue or no one would attend. Thank God the finals have been in Seattle the last two years they have had record crowds. And they set a new US Open attendance record Tuesday night. I wish the Crew had won also and been able to play at home. =(

I still want Sigi Schmid for the USMNT. =)

p.s. - what has happened to our avatars?


....wait i think i just figured it out: avs are at half mast because of steve jobs passing? well done. rip SJ.
 
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I think Suarez was well within his rights to stand his ground, and it's Jagielka's responsibility to remain in control of his body, especially in the box. Suarez may have played for the foul, but he did not dive and Jagielka did collide with him. It was not a good tackle.

Baines and Suarez both put their hands on each other at the same time, and Distin falls because he spins around and swipes at the ball in desperation, leaving him off-balance. Also, there is not one peep of a complaint from either defender after they see the goal go in; surely had either felt he'd been fouled we would have seen the usual arms-spead-shout-at-the-ref appeals for a foul that often accompanies a goal.

Suarez likes to go to ground too much for my liking. I'm not going to defend that, but he is an easy target for critics and opposition fans in that regard (and not always fairly), and while he certainly Busquets-ed the Rodwell tackle he was, as far as I can see, innocent in the other two incidents.

The penalty I view as the attacker moving his leg to cause a collision to gain an advantage; seen it from Rooney, Owen, Gerrard, Torres... and to me it is cheating. Sick of referees falling for it. No it isn't just Suarez, but then he doesn't stop there.

Leading up to the goal; at the point I've mentioned, Baines is in front of Suarez with his back to him, then the push. Not imagined, I've seen it posted elsewhere - though there could be something in the aether. Focusing on different moments? Regarding no protest; resignation, why bother appealing to Martin Atkinson?

As clear as the shove :), is the fact we aren't going to agree.

Cheers,
OW
 
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They have to play at a home venue or no one would attend. Thank God the finals have been in Seattle the last two years they have had record crowds. And they set a new US Open attendance record Tuesday night. I wish the Crew had won also and been able to play at home. =(

I still want Sigi Schmid for the USMNT. =)

True, and the USSF/MLS are all about filling stadia, almost at any cost...like I said, the Sounders were deserved winners this season, and I wish Sigi the best - though I can't wait till Columbus finally hand Seattle a loss. It will be sweet.

As for Sigi as national coach, I think he's one of the best in MLS - but not sure how he would do on the international level. I feel like he'd probably be just as good as Bob Bradley at any rate. It would be nice to see more American coaches getting into management abroad.

The penalty I view as the attacker moving his leg to cause a collision to gain an advantage; seen it from Rooney, Owen, Gerrard, Torres... and to me it is cheating. Sick of referees falling for it. No it isn't just Suarez, but then he doesn't stop there.

Leading up to the goal; at the point I've mentioned, Baines is in front of Suarez with his back to him, then the push. Not imagined, I've seen it posted elsewhere - though there could be something in the aether. Focusing on different moments? Regarding no protest; resignation, why bother appealing to Martin Atkinson?

As clear as the shove :), is the fact we aren't going to agree.

I typed out a whole response and somehow lost it. :rolleyes: I was probably being too long-winded anyways...

...anyhow, we'll agree to disagree on this. I feel that Suarez's gamesmanship on the penalty has to be balanced against Jagielka's slightly risky lunge in the box. As for the goal, I still feel that the contact between Suarez and Baines was fair, especially when you consider that they were tangled up with Distin. I think calling it a shove is harsh.

What I can agree with you on is that too many players go to ground or "win" fouls too easily these days. Athletes are fitter, faster and hit harder today than ever before. In their quest to reduce the chances of injury, football associations have altered the rules (or the way they interpret them) and the result is that the culture of the game includes a lot more simulation and embellishment than it once did. It's not Suarez, or Drogba, or Rooney so much as it is the whole system from top to bottom.

Players wouldn't go to ground as easily if they didn't think they could get away with it or if it was universally frowned upon. But these days you really can't find any team that doesn't have at least one or two players who are adept at winning fouls from borderline incidents. it's especially frustrating in talented players like Suarez, who are good enough on their feet that the other side of their game is really superfluous.
 
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What I can agree with you on is that too many players go to ground or "win" fouls too easily these days. Athletes are fitter, faster and hit harder today than ever before. In their quest to reduce the chances of injury, football associations have altered the rules (or the way they interpret them) and the result is that the culture of the game includes a lot more simulation and embellishment than it once did. It's not Suarez, or Drogba, or Rooney so much as it is the whole system from top to bottom.

Players wouldn't go to ground as easily if they didn't think they could get away with it or if it was universally frowned upon. But these days you really can't find any team that doesn't have at least one or two players who are adept at winning fouls from borderline incidents. it's especially frustrating in talented players like Suarez, who are good enough on their feet that the other side of their game is really superfluous.

Diving's a part of the game, there's even a guide on how to do it ;)
http://offsidesink.blogspot.com/2011/05/art-of-diving-by-cristiano-ronaldo.html
 
Players wouldn't go to ground as easily if they didn't think they could get away with it or if it was universally frowned upon. But these days you really can't find any team that doesn't have at least one or two players who are adept at winning fouls from borderline incidents. it's especially frustrating in talented players like Suarez, who are good enough on their feet that the other side of their game is really superfluous.

agreed. diving is my least favorite thing about the game.
 
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Wales away.. i like it...


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England away... i do not like it...
 
The Wales shirt is rather smart.

The England shirt pictured is a 'limited edition', with a patterned collar and the crest stitched in the same colour as the fabric. The 'normal' shirt features a regular crest and a plain blue collar, and is much better for it. Mrs Cake bought me one (I'm wearing it now as it happens) and it's alright looks wise, and I find it very comfortable to wear. It would have been much better in our traditional red, mind. ;)

I'm not a fan of Umbro's rather frivolous 'special' editions either.

The promo pic you posted is also interesting too – there have been a few promo shots recently for new international shirts, and they do reflect something about the psyche of the nations represented.

For example, I saw Lahm modelling the Germany shirt which will be worn through next year's European championships, and the captain was stood dignified and proud, personifying German coolness and confidence. Spain and the Netherlands meanwhile depicted players in action, weaving past hapless opponents – Spanish flair and Dutch technical skill for all to see. And then we have England's effort, which shows our brave captain shouting. Really loudly. Because it's all about English passion, innit? Puffing your chest out and shouting. Really. Loudly. :rolleyes: :p
 
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John Terry just edges it for me.

Good point. So I guess the worst thing one could imagine is a John Terry dive.

For exampl, I saw Lahm modelling the Germany shirt which will be worn through next year's European championships, and the captain was stood dignified and proud, personifying German coolness and confidence. Spain and the Netherlands meanwhile depicted players in action, weaving past hapless opponents – Spanish flair and Dutch technical skill for all to see. And then we have England's effort, which shows our brave captain shouting. Really loudly. Because it's all about English passion, innit? Puffing your chest out and shouting. Really. Loudly. :rolleyes: :p

In all seriousness, I think you are on to something there. I think the English really feel that, as the originators of the game, they still bring something unique and special to the modern game just by showing up. Is it a kind of self-entitlement? I'm not sure. But I think that there is a notion that Englishness is actually part of the game - a part other nations can never have. It's hard for me to quantify what it is, but it seems to be some presumed mixture of a specific attitude and style. Tough. Forthright. Committed.

...But not "fancy", or even unflappable (a quality we foreigners often stereotypically associate with the English). "Passion" is dismissed as a Latin emotion, but a certain kind of battle-frenzy is expected from English players.
 
For example, I saw Lahm modelling the Germany shirt which will be worn through next year's European championships, and the captain was stood dignified and proud, personifying German coolness and confidence. Spain and the Netherlands meanwhile depicted players in action, weaving past hapless opponents – Spanish flair and Dutch technical skill for all to see. And then we have England's effort, which shows our brave captain shouting. Really loudly. Because it's all about English passion, innit? Puffing your chest out and shouting. Really. Loudly. :rolleyes: :p

more like "nooo i missed a penalty" ;)

on a more serious note the english squad will again be hyped up for the euro championship after 2 successful preparation game and then drop out in the first game after the group stage (which they pass with a total of 2:1 in 3 games)
 
I think it's an extension of the tabloid mentality of 'We're going the win the World Cup/European Championship' whenever we're at a finals – which in all honesty we're not going to do any time soon without a huge, huge slice of luck heading in our direction. But the casual supporter who gets his knowledge of the game and our standing in it from tabloid back pages, TalkSport and sycophantic TV pundits knows little better.

Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with people wanting to see players for their national side showing pride in how they perform, to show commitment to the cause – indeed, I want to see that myself from our players. But I think folk demanding constant chest pounding and snarling bulldog spirit as a sign of a player's total commitment to the cause have their priorities wrong. I can't recall, for example, Gary Lineker going into a rabid frenzy after finding the net in an England shirt – are we to therefore question his commitment, or how good a player he was for the national side? I'd suggest not.

Similarly, look at the calls for an English manager when we've had a foreign coach at the helm. The argument is that they're not 'passionate' enough to manage the mighty England – because of course Italians (such as our current manager) aren't noted for being 'passionate' folk, nor the sort to really care about football... :rolleyes:

There's a mindset some have that only an Englishman can understand the importance of managing the country's football team, and therefore only an Englishman can get the very best out of the players. History, however, would disagree – foreign managers are the exception to our rule, and with very few exceptions our English gaffers have delivered little in terms of success.

Criticise Kevin Keegan as a manager all you like – and there's plenty of ammunition – but one thing you can't criticise him for is not being passionate chap, in particular his exploits for England as a player and manager. But when he announced his resignation from the national post in the aftermath of defeat to Germany in the final game to be played at the old Wembley, he had the courage to publicly concede that it wasn't enough – you need much more than tubthumping team talks and flag waving to succeed as an international manager.

Granted, if we had a top class English manager perfect for the role I'd be delighted to see him installed, and my preference would be for such an individual – but I don't think we do have such a manager, and we have to employ the very best candidate we can get irrespective of nationality. But still a lot of people don't seem to get that, and it's that mentality which will ultimately lead to Harry Redknapp getting the job.

on a more serious note the english squad will again be hyped up for the euro championship after 2 successful preparation game and then drop out in the first game after the group stage (which they pass with a total of 2:1 in 3 games)
You are Wayne Rooney's dad, and I claim my prize of next weekend's results in time for me to get to the bookies. ;)
 
Good points, Jaffa. I think Redknapp is a decent club manager, but I think I would rate Capello over him any day in an international job.
 
Some classic Wayne Rooney action to light up a dull international. :D

Speaking of English Passion...nobody can criticize Capello for this result, it's all on Wayne as far as I am concerned. England looked pretty solid for much of the match, but the Montenegrins played hard for 90 minutes and it paid off in the end.
 
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2-1 would have been a very good away result for England. The real damage is that Rooney has taken himself out of one or two matches at the finals.
 
1-0 to Scotland. We would have taken it before the game started, but by jove not happy about our performance tonight. We were all over them and couldn't get the ball in the net. Part of it might be Liechtenstein's 9 men behind the ball but we had 4 guys in the box and couldn't bury it. Then it was the usual really nervous last 20 minutes when according to Pat Nevin "in all fairness we should have been 3 or 4-0".

Who scored the goal I hear you ask?

So we need a proven goalscorer in the team such as my fantasy footballer team member Darren Fletcher. *searches Scotland squad list*. Oh FFS.:mad: Craig Mackail-Smith (Brighton and Hove Albion):eek: Really? Really?

:eek:

So here is the situation for Tuesday....

Spain 7 7 0 0 23 5 +18 21
Scotland 7 3 2 2 8 7 +1 11
Czech Republic 7 3 1 3 8 7 +1 10

So we are one point ahead of the Czech.... they play Lithuania and we play Spain. I daren't watch!
 
He's a tidy player, Mackail-Smith — highly coveted by a number of upper Championship/lower Premier League clubs over the summer. He was linked with us for a while, as it happens. His choice of Brighton surprised many — he must like the sea air.
 
Well I suppose Brighton are the team currently on the up, he must have been impressed with their ambition. I was really impressed by him yesterday, lot's of passion an enthusiasm. After scoring the goal (on his debut) he then got yellow carded for a tackle while helping to defend. If you think about our attacking midfielders, Naismith (workhorse yesterday but forgot his scoring boots), Stephen Fletcher (recorving from illness), Charlie Adam (delivered some cracking balls) and now Mackail-Smith we are actually starting to put together a good team, if we get all our guys on form we could actually give Spain a game.:D

(but let us hope Lithuania thump the Czechs just in case)
 
(but let us hope Lithuania thump the Czechs just in case)

I think that's probably your best bet. ;) Spain are incredibly dangerous even when playing for nothing. I would say a draw for Scotland is not out of the question, but you just can't bet against Spain these days. Congrats on the win though, Scotland seem to be improving at the moment.

Speaking of internationals, USA 1-0 Honduras. The winner was a slick, composed effort from Clint Dempsey, who had a very effective night playing as a trequartista behind Josy Altidore. Clint had a second goal ruled out on a dodgy foul call.

Like Fuzzy, I'm happy with the result but less so after actually watching the match. It poured down rain early on and the wet ball/pitch resulted in a lot of miscues from both sides - there could easily have been 6-7 goals in this game. I wanted to see us score 2-3.

I think Klinsmann put together a good side, but we are still having trouble becoming possession-oriented team. We can move quickly and possess the ball in the backfield but our midfield is unable to possess the ball the way Spain do. Lots of positives though. Altidore's move to AZ in the Eredivisie has made him fitter and more lively, Oguchi Onyewu is back and looked very good at center back (missed a sitter though), Howard had his usual highlight reel performance. Dempsey looks to be in great form.

Honduras played a tough, physical game but they also attacked quite a bit and won some battles in the midfield. They played more narrowly than the US though - playing balls over the top or slipping them through the middle most often whereas Klinsmann had the USA attacking pretty effectively down the wings through Timmy Chandler, Brek Shea Steve Cherundolo and Debutante Danny Williams - the latter, a Hoffenheim player, looked very good in his first cap.

USA have little in the way of competitive matches before the World Cup, so, we need to get the most out of our friendlies. We need to be more effective at possessing the ball, and our final ball in the attack needs to be faster and more precise.
 
Some classic Wayne Rooney action to light up a dull international. :D

Speaking of English Passion...nobody can criticize Capello for this result, it's all on Wayne as far as I am concerned. England looked pretty solid for much of the match, but the Montenegrins played hard for 90 minutes and it paid off in the end.

Disagree again :D England = sh:eek:t performance:

The defence was all over the place; Cole turned inside out - at least the third poor game in a row, Terry was scared of anyone capable of moving faster than a slug, and Jones was lost - not a proper right back combined with having Theo 'More threat to the England full back than the opposition's' Walcott in front of him.

Walcott; how many times did he beat a player? How many goes before a decent cross?

Parker gave the ball away, and even Terry could mark Barry.

Rooney was stupid, but England drew because the team was poor.

Benefit for next year - Rooney gets a rest and England come up with a way of playing without him.

Cheers,
OW
 
Well I suppose Brighton are the team currently on the up, he must have been impressed with their ambition. I was really impressed by him yesterday, lot's of passion an enthusiasm. After scoring the goal (on his debut) he then got yellow carded for a tackle while helping to defend. If you think about our attacking midfielders, Naismith (workhorse yesterday but forgot his scoring boots), Stephen Fletcher (recorving from illness), Charlie Adam (delivered some cracking balls) and now Mackail-Smith we are actually starting to put together a good team, if we get all our guys on form we could actually give Spain a game.:D

(but let us hope Lithuania thump the Czechs just in case)

So you win 1 game and now you're talking about taking on the world champions...

Are you sure you're not English? ;)
 
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