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The 2011-2012 Football Thread

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Jaffa Cake said:
It manages to look modern and retro at the same time – simple and elegant. I've long thought that Liverpool should do something similar with the Liver bird – drop the cumbersome crest and accoutrements and just have said bird standing bold and proud on the red shirt. It'd look unquestionably ace.
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I do like the Forest crest, and I think that the Liverpool crest could use an 'uncluttering'. I like the crest design itself, but a stripped-down version might look better on a shirt. Perhaps they could use the traditional crest on the home kit and a more contemporary version on their away/third kits. How common is it for a club to use more than one crest design simultaneously? Has that ever happened?
 
Killie's is a stinker. Squirrels and a badly drawn hand please!

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Ha, look at that hand! :D

United, the big contender with by far the easiest group stage draw, needed penalties to squeak by the worst team in the Champions League. Perhaps a whiff of gamesmanship on Rooney's second penalty, but you can't argue with the first. It's three points all the same.

City had a considerably more dangerous opponent in Villareal; they got the win but made pretty hard work of it. Getting out of this group is going to be a big challenge for any team, though Bayern Munich have an advantage at present.

The Marseille-Arsenal match should be interesting.
 
I used to like the Dunfermline badge because it was different and modern, now it just freaks me out a little. What's that, a haunted castle with some spooky trees?

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Meanwhile, hoping to emulate Man Utd by spitting the dummy out with the BBC, Rangers thought they'd give it a bash. This is the latest in a line of troubling stories coming out of Ibrox, fan favourite ex-Cup Winning Captain now director John Grieg walked out after differences with the new owners.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
I'm not a big fan of it myself, it's too cartoonish. But it follows American sports logo tradition. Then again, most clubs in the UK sport badges that look like they belong on a prep-school jacket. It's local tradition. Except for MK Dons and Wolves.

I prefer the prep-school look myself, but most people here are happy with a more contemporary look...I've always wondered what it would look like if the Crew used a version of Columbus' seal.
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not bad. at least use the ship from it....

Jaffa Cake said:
If we're talking crests, I've always liked Nottingham Forest's...



Nice and simple, combining tree and Trent beautifully. A real favourite of mine.

I also really like Spurs' freshening up of their crest from a few seasons back...


It manages to look modern and retro at the same time – simple and elegant. I've long thought that Liverpool should do something similar with the Liver bird – drop the cumbersome crest and accoutrements and just have said bird standing bold and proud on the red shirt. It'd look unquestionably ace.
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both are nice. love the old spurs one... like on this shirt:
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don't get me started on badge lust... there are too many i like ...
 
Lord Blackadder said:
How common is it for a club to use more than one crest design simultaneously? Has that ever happened?
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It's quite rare, and generally due to the club issuing a special shirt commemorating something or other. Coventry City are actually doing it this season, using a retro crest on their retro home shirts and the regular crest everywhere else...

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The old style crest was apparently used on programmes in the 1970s rather than on shirts, but I much prefer it to the modern version. Use it permanently Coventry, there's a good team.

pachyderm and Fuzzy – I suspect Coventry's load-bearing elephant might be a distant cousin of Dumbarton's. ;)
 
Jaffa Cake said:
pachyderm and Fuzzy – I suspect Coventry's load-bearing elephant might be a distant cousin of Dumbarton's. ;)
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Certainly looks like it but I can't find the story to explain why Coventry would copy it. I'm assuming Dumbarton was first as the town features a volcanic plug that sits in the River Clyde that barely resembles an elephant. Then they built a castle on it.

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See:
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Jaffa Cake said:
It's quite rare, and generally due to the club issuing a special shirt commemorating something or other. Coventry City are actually doing it this season, using a retro crest on their retro home shirts and the regular crest everywhere else...

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The old style crest was apparently used on programmes in the 1970s rather than on shirts, but I much prefer it to the modern version. Use it permanently Coventry, there's a good team.

pachyderm and Fuzzy – I suspect Coventry's load-bearing elephant might be a distant cousin of Dumbarton's. ;)
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coventry ... love it.

and these...
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pre 1970's wednesday

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elepahnt in a crest...
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Fuzzy14 said:
Certainly looks like it but I can't find the story to explain why Coventry would copy it. I'm assuming Dumbarton was first as the town features a volcanic plug that sits in the River Clyde that barely resembles an elephant. Then they built a castle on it.
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The elephant is a centrepiece of the city of Coventry's coat of arms – apparently in heraldic circles it means...

The elephant is seen, not only as a beast so strong that he can carry a tower - Coventry's castle - full of armed men, but also as a symbol of Christ's redemption of the human race. The elephant is also seen as a dragon slayer in Medieval thinking. There is a now forgotten tradition of dragon-slaying in this neighbourhood - and Coventry to be the birthplace of St. George, who slew the dragon.

The Coventry arms apparently date from 1345, according to that.

Dumbarton's elephant meanwhile is reckoned to be descended from the arms of the Dumbarton Burgh – first seen in 1357 it would seem. It's reasonable to say then that the two civic crests date from roughly the same point in time.

It's a symbol of strength – I don't know if Dumbarton's elephant was inspired by the rock as you say, or if the story was devised later as a nice tale to explain the presence of the beast on the arms.

Who said history was boring? :D
 
NutsNGum said:
I always used to think that Real Sociedad's logo was a basketball. :confused:
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seems like they all used an old volley ball to me...
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Athletic Club...

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Dumbarton 2 - 1 Albion Rovers
Ross McKinnon (13')
Scott Agnew (51')
Steven Lawless (68')




GOALS
6 Prunty
5 Agnew
2 Lyden
1 McBride
1 Gilhaney
1 Nicoll
1 Winters
1 McKinnon
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7th 3-1-5
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MON 'EH SONS!
 
And while we're on with club badges, that Airdrie one looks rather like AFC Wimbledon's
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Jaffa Cake said:
The Coventry arms apparently date from 1345, according to that.
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My apologies to the city of Coventry. I didn't think elephants were invented that far back.

Jaffa Cake said:
There is a now forgotten tradition of dragon-slaying in this neighbourhood
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Maybe the government can start a training course to revive the tradition of slaying mythical beasts?

I'm liking the Airdrie F.C. badge, highlighting birth defects due to inbreeding in Lanarkshire mining towns.:)
 
Fizzoid said:
And while we're on with club badges, that Airdrie one looks rather like AFC Wimbledon's
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Better than the MK Dons badge...

Fuzzy14 said:
My apologies to the city of Coventry. I didn't think elephants were invented that far back.



Maybe the government can start a training course to revive the tradition of slaying mythical beasts?

I'm liking the Airdrie F.C. badge, highlighting birth defects due to inbreeding in Lanarkshire mining towns.:)
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:p:p
 
Breaking news! Stuart Pearce has been named manager of the Team GB football team for the 2012 olympics, along with Hope Powell.

PSYCHO!!!
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Perhaps a whiff of gamesmanship on Rooney's second penalty, but you can't argue with the first. It's three points all the same.

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The flop element was pathetic, not at the level of a certain heavy midfielder; that was achieved by Hernandez - should have been given a yellow, got a free kick. Sticking with garbage performance, especially Valencia - too many Walcott training videos.

Badges stink.;)

Olympics, smOlympics; football, tennis = daft.

Cheers,
OW
 
Another nail in the coffin of lower League football...

The Football League Clubs have voted in favour of adopting the Elite Player Performance Plan, which will radically overhaul youth development in England. It will replace the current compensation system that's in place when bigger clubs cherry pick talented youngsters from those lower down the league tiers, meaning that in most instances the minnows will get less money for the player.

Also, the top teams will be exempted from the rules on catchment areas when it comes to signing kids – smaller clubs will still have to abide with the rule that any potential youth player must live within a set travelling distance from them, the big boys can literally sign players from wherever they want.

Developing young talent and selling at a profit is a key source of income for many smaller clubs – but this income will now be drastically slashed. So why was the new system voted in? Because as per usual the Premier League has the rest of us over a barrel – if the vote had been negative then the top flight would have completely withdrawn its funding of the Football League's youth development programme.

Some maths for you – Chelsea recently made headlines by agreeing a fee of £1.5m (potentially raised to £2m with add ons) with MK Dons for their 14-year old player Oluwaseyi Ojo. Had he moved under the new system, the Dons would only have received £46,500 for him. Bradford City meanwhile will get at least £300,000 (potentially up to £2m) for George Green from Everton, the Toffees would have only had to part with £59,000 under the new rules.

This is a bloody disgrace.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
This is a bloody disgrace.
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England has become a victim of its own sucess in terms of the financial prowess of the top clubs in the Premier League.

From where I'm sitting, the result of this is that Manchester United, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool will continue to be global players in the football world, and will retain an increasingly tight grip on that status...

...but at the cost of a permanently enfeebled national league system and a national team that will forever struggle to compete with the best.

As long as the fans, owners and suits in the top clubs (along with the Premier League itself) are happy to maintain the status quo, every other club in England will become poorer and increasingly marginalized, to the point where getting rid of promotion and relegation will seem like a natural next step.

I for one am ashamed to be a fan of a big club today, because I think what they are doing is wrong.
 
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