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Apparently they didn't pay him fast enough. In that case he ought to avoid Portsmouth.
The Tevez affair drags on, but I hope Mancini is telling the truth when he says that Man City will not do a loan deal. Tevez has a very good scoring record with City, very good indeed - but does that make up for all of his outrageous tantrums? I say let him rot until someone comes along with a big pile of cash and pays through the nose for him. I don't have much sympathy with either the club or the player (and none for that jackass Joorabchian), and to see Tevez skip off on a loan deal after his antics wouldn't sit well with me at all.
Frankly, after all his whining about his family and missing home he should just shut up and finish his career in Argentina, instead of moving farther from home and playing in Milan. He's about as flaky as they come.
EDIT: Big bottom-of-the-table match today, just how much longer can Keane lose matches and keep his job? Or will Coyle stumble today? And apparently Phil Brown and Sam Allardyce are in the studio providing punditry for the match. Sounds riveting.
The Tevez affair drags on, but I hope Mancini is telling the truth when he says that Man City will not do a loan deal. Tevez has a very good scoring record with City, very good indeed - but does that make up for all of his outrageous tantrums? I say let him rot until someone comes along with a big pile of cash and pays through the nose for him. I don't have much sympathy with either the club or the player (and none for that jackass Joorabchian), and to see Tevez skip off on a loan deal after his antics wouldn't sit well with me at all.
Frankly, after all his whining about his family and missing home he should just shut up and finish his career in Argentina, instead of moving farther from home and playing in Milan. He's about as flaky as they come.
EDIT: Big bottom-of-the-table match today, just how much longer can Keane lose matches and keep his job? Or will Coyle stumble today? And apparently Phil Brown and Sam Allardyce are in the studio providing punditry for the match. Sounds riveting.
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Watching the P45 Derby between Blackburn and Bolton (the Big Sam and Phil Dream Team is indeed in attendance) and they've just informed us of some breaking news – Suarez has been found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra, and on top of a £40,000 fine he will also face an eight game ban.
Ugh, that'll make the Man U fans pretty happy.
The idiot got what he deserved, if it's true. Eight games is absolutely masssive though.
The idiot got what he deserved, if it's true. Eight games is absolutely masssive though.
That's no way to talk about Carroll and Bellamy, no matter how true it may be.
<ducks golf club>
Liverpool have responded with some rhetoric on their website, but I wonder if they will appeal.
Liverpool have responded with some rhetoric on their website, but I wonder if they will appeal.
The statement is essentially saying 'but some of his best mates are black!' – it's rather cringeworthy stuff in places, in all honesty.
In any case, I reckon John Terry is sweating a bit right now...
In any case, I reckon John Terry is sweating a bit right now...
It's obviously a pretty emotional response. The FA is clearly trying to make a severe example of Suarez.
It seems that it would have been a case of Evra's word against Suarez, but Suarez unwittingly sealed his own fate by telling the FA what he said under the assumption that it was not "racist". But England is not Uruguay. Like I said, this case would probably be handled differently there, and Suarez has learned that the hard way. He ultimately only has himself to blame.
Presumably, the ban will be lengthened if Liverpool appeal and lose. But with an 8-game ban on the cards, it might be worth throwing the kitchen sink at the problem and try to get the ban reversed, shortened or suspended.
I really don't want this to drag on though.
EDIT: It appears that subsequent criminal proceedings against Suarez are possible, and that a jail sentence is at at least a technical possibility. This story could drag on for a year or more.
It seems that it would have been a case of Evra's word against Suarez, but Suarez unwittingly sealed his own fate by telling the FA what he said under the assumption that it was not "racist". But England is not Uruguay. Like I said, this case would probably be handled differently there, and Suarez has learned that the hard way. He ultimately only has himself to blame.
Presumably, the ban will be lengthened if Liverpool appeal and lose. But with an 8-game ban on the cards, it might be worth throwing the kitchen sink at the problem and try to get the ban reversed, shortened or suspended.
I really don't want this to drag on though.
EDIT: It appears that subsequent criminal proceedings against Suarez are possible, and that a jail sentence is at at least a technical possibility. This story could drag on for a year or more.
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Since when has calling a person black, racist? or is that all the PC ***** that exists in todays age?
Can't get my head around what has happened, I'm probably biased but I personally think it's a disgrace.
Evra himself has said suarez is not racists in a statement he made at the hearing, and even on the FA statement it doesn't label him a racists, so what exactly is the ban about?
inappropriate name calling? ************** off, that happens on the pitch all the time, always has and always will.
The guy's grandad is black, his mates are black, his team mates are black....
Will be interesting to see if evra is banned, considering the last line of the liverpool statement, were it is said evra admitted calling him (suarez) a name following with "south-american"
Can't get my head around what has happened, I'm probably biased but I personally think it's a disgrace.
Evra himself has said suarez is not racists in a statement he made at the hearing, and even on the FA statement it doesn't label him a racists, so what exactly is the ban about?
inappropriate name calling? ************** off, that happens on the pitch all the time, always has and always will.
The guy's grandad is black, his mates are black, his team mates are black....
Will be interesting to see if evra is banned, considering the last line of the liverpool statement, were it is said evra admitted calling him (suarez) a name following with "south-american"
I can see Chelsea's statement now should the brave captain face a similar ban...Why, who's missus is he with this time?
JT isn't racist, as proven by the fact that he's shagged teammate's wives of numerous ethnicities.
Is that what he 'allegedly' said?
You should give him a call, I think you just became his new defence lawyer
I think he already knows he's black. Racism is constantly pointing out somebody's skin colour when it doesn't actually matter. If I were white and somebody called me white I'd be wondering why they went to effort to remind me that I was white.
It's a complex issue, this racism business with Suarez. It's also important to note that an official release of the evidence/explanation of the case is still pending. We don't know the facts.
My understanding based on the news articles is that Suarez referred to Evra as 'negro' during the match, and admitted as much to the tribunal. Addressing someone in Spanish as 'negro' is roughly equivalent to saying 'hey blackie' or some such in American English. In the US, this is considered both racist and extremely offensive. It would end a career here.
It is, however, much more commonly used in South America. It is definitely still considered offensive in the context Suarez used it, though whether it is 'racist' is somewhat more debatable. Using that language in England puts Suarez on much shakier legal ground than if he had used in Uruguay.
In the end, I don't think Suarez has much of a case, if he really did call Evra 'negro' with offensive intent (and I think he admitted as much if the newpapers are accurate). It's probably best to accept the punishment, let the FA pat themselves on the back and pretend they are competent occupiers of the moral high ground and move on.
I hope Terry gets the same punishment, but he's probably too clever and unlike Suarez will deny everything.
My understanding based on the news articles is that Suarez referred to Evra as 'negro' during the match, and admitted as much to the tribunal. Addressing someone in Spanish as 'negro' is roughly equivalent to saying 'hey blackie' or some such in American English. In the US, this is considered both racist and extremely offensive. It would end a career here.
It is, however, much more commonly used in South America. It is definitely still considered offensive in the context Suarez used it, though whether it is 'racist' is somewhat more debatable. Using that language in England puts Suarez on much shakier legal ground than if he had used in Uruguay.
In the end, I don't think Suarez has much of a case, if he really did call Evra 'negro' with offensive intent (and I think he admitted as much if the newpapers are accurate). It's probably best to accept the punishment, let the FA pat themselves on the back and pretend they are competent occupiers of the moral high ground and move on.
I hope Terry gets the same punishment, but he's probably too clever and unlike Suarez will deny everything.
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I would imagine that the FA will wait to see if Terry is convicted of the charge in question. If so, then one would hope a ban will follow and I'd like to think it would have ramifications so far as the England team is concerned as well.
Incidentally, Suarez will start for Liverpool against Wigan Athletic this evening.
If Terry gets convicted in the criminal case a sporting punishment would certainly follow. Regardless of that outcome, can we see him and Rio ever playing together in England's defense after this?
He might as well, since he can't even start the ban yet. I think an appeal is a waste of time, the FA will do everything it can to make this stick. Best for him to take his licks and get on with it after the ban.
He might as well, since he can't even start the ban yet. I think an appeal is a waste of time, the FA will do everything it can to make this stick. Best for him to take his licks and get on with it after the ban.
I heard something about him being available to play until the conclusion of an appeal has been reached.
One thing's for certain, if they appeal and the ban gets extended, KD will be hopping mad and having to splash out a bit in January.
Personally, I think the Suarez verdict is pretty contentious, essentially it was his word against Evra's. I don't condone Suarez's behaviour if indeed that is what he said, but the fact is that they really should have reached a conclusion of insufficient evidence to pursue the claims if that was all they were going on. Which, going by the vast acres of coverage in the rags and broadsheets, it appears that they were.
On the other hand, in the case of JT, there is pretty incriminating footage that hardly takes a forensic lip-reader to decode.
So, we're looking at England's captain and potential next manager both being up in court in the spring.
Suarez has 14 days to appeal. If he appeals, the punishment is delayed until the appeal is over (and if the appeal fails, they could punish him further). Alternately, he could admit the charge immediately and the ban would start immediately. Or he could keep playing until the 14 days are up and the ban would automatically begin.
Nobody has yet indicated that the Suarez ban will change Liverpool's transfer plans. In theory we should be able to get by with Bellamy and Carroll. But it hurts us. As for a January buy, be careful what you wish for...I'd rather play shorthanded than buy another Andre Voronin or Milan Jovanovic.
I agree with the concept that we should take racism very seriously. I don't want to brush that issue aside. If Suarez 'racially abused' Evra in their opinion, even if the circumstances are somewhat debatable, the conventional wisdom is to punish him anyway to send a message. That might not be strictly fair, but the FA doesn't want to appear to be soft on racism (though FIFA has a dreadful record in tackling racism and it doesn't seem to bother them at all). What might not hold up in court may still be sufficient evidence for the FA.
Suarez has become an example; I think the FA is concerned with their own image here, and Suarez may have unwittingly incriminated himself anyway. He has to take responsibility for what he said.
The good news for Liverpool fans, if you can call it that, is that Terry's case might end up being much higher profile, so Suarez may fall out of the limelight sooner than would otherwise be the case.
So, we're looking at England's captain and potential next manager both being up in court in the spring.
It would be hard for 'Arry to manage from the clink, the only player he could personally oversee would be EBJT - unless he calls up Titus Bramble.
EDIT: The latest reports indicate that Suarez is planning to appeal.
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You have to convert penalties, Charlie.
Tim Vickery weighs in on the Suarez-Evra Affair. Good work as always from Vickery.
EDIT: BIG(ish) COLUMBUS CREW NEWS. Crew winger and occasional USA benchwarmer Robbie Rogers is apparently considering a move to either Blackburn or Leeds. Not two clubs I would have chosen. It sounds like getting a work permit might be a challenge.
The Daily Fail apparently reported him as "close to signing" for Leeds after a trial...but my linked article contradicts this.
Tim Vickery weighs in on the Suarez-Evra Affair. Good work as always from Vickery.
EDIT: BIG(ish) COLUMBUS CREW NEWS. Crew winger and occasional USA benchwarmer Robbie Rogers is apparently considering a move to either Blackburn or Leeds. Not two clubs I would have chosen. It sounds like getting a work permit might be a challenge.
The Daily Fail apparently reported him as "close to signing" for Leeds after a trial...but my linked article contradicts this.
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City, Liverpool and Chelsea all drop points whilst United seem to have found second gear as is typical at this stage of the season. Hopefully we regain 4th tomorrow and RVP scores a brace to equal Shearer's record.
Maybe Wenger should buy Ba in January. He's relatively young, not brittle, versatile, clinical and more importantly...French
I'd prefer him to Henry to be honest.
Maybe Wenger should buy Ba in January. He's relatively young, not brittle, versatile, clinical and more importantly...French
I'd prefer him to Henry to be honest.
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