Agreed. Evra, Ferdy and Utd as a whole are just being part of the problem and not the solution.
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Agreed. Evra, Ferdy and Utd as a whole are just being part of the problem and not the solution.
Rubbish, get real! Suarez, Danglish and the way Liverpool FC have brought contempt to the whole game. Why are Chelsea and/or Arsenal allowed to celebrate big game win's but Evra isn't ... I'm glad he did, and Ferguson was absolutely bang on the money...... though I do agree with Dalglish somewhat in that SKY were pushing and pushing and got a reaction to bump up their headlines.
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. No one said they couldn't celebrate a win, but to do it in front of the tunnel, and directly in front of Suarez was unnecessarily provocative.
Didn't say he couldn't celebrate. Why time it to around the time Suarez is heading to the dressing and then do it in front of him just to rub it in. Pointless.
As a neutral I reckon Suarez and Evra were both acting like immature idiots.
As was to be expected.
As was to be expected.
I missed the end of the match being en route to attending ours but such behaviour isn't exactly a great advert for the game. Suarez' behaviour was beyond the pale, and if any of the Manchester United players were trying to provoke things at the end of the game they've not exactly covered themselves in glory with their actions.As a neutral I reckon Suarez and Evra were both acting like immature idiots.
As was to be expected.
Donovan and Dempsey both involved in their club's wins again. A terrible weekend for Chelsea and Newcastle, but a great one for Spurs and a good one for The Arse as well. How about that Henry!
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Liverpool didn't play well overall, but the difference came down to Rooney in the end. Once again Liverpool's biggest problem is scoring goals, though I really never expected to do much at Old Trafford. United were quite lucky to draw at Anfield earlier this season, both games were tight and rather sloppy.
The draw with Tottenham has much more import for Liverpool's season than this result. Frankly, Liverpool needs to ignore the Manchester clubs and focus on winning games to push towards 4th. I still think we'll probably finish 5th or 6th (especially with our cup commitments), but if we can maintain pressure we still have a chance of leapfrogging Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal.
At this point both managers and teams have behaved badly. It ratchets up the hatred one more notch, and ensures that Evra and Suarez will be treated as massive villains by the opposition for the rest of their careers in England. Suraz should have shaken Evra's hand, Evra should not have deliberately provoked the crowd and his opponents with his wild celebrations. Both of them were being big eejits.
The media did their very best to raise tensions and it was their fault as much as that of the clubs that fans are so angry at the moment.
I can't stand Man U, I'm not going to lie about my bias, but the fact is people just need to calm down on both sides, rather than trying to pin the blame on their opponent. Both managers are guilty of whipping up controversy. Players on both sides are behaving like the spoiled children they are. Everyone is furiously chucking stones in their own little glass houses.
I'm upset we lost, but it was always going to be a tough match and United have much more firepower than we do. I'm over it. The media are going to milk this for all it's worth, but we should resist the temptation to make it worse.
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Liverpool didn't play well overall, but the difference came down to Rooney in the end. Once again Liverpool's biggest problem is scoring goals, though I really never expected to do much at Old Trafford. United were quite lucky to draw at Anfield earlier this season, both games were tight and rather sloppy.
The draw with Tottenham has much more import for Liverpool's season than this result. Frankly, Liverpool needs to ignore the Manchester clubs and focus on winning games to push towards 4th. I still think we'll probably finish 5th or 6th (especially with our cup commitments), but if we can maintain pressure we still have a chance of leapfrogging Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal.
As a neutral I reckon Suarez and Evra were both acting like immature idiots.
As was to be expected.
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At this point both managers and teams have behaved badly. It ratchets up the hatred one more notch, and ensures that Evra and Suarez will be treated as massive villains by the opposition for the rest of their careers in England. Suraz should have shaken Evra's hand, Evra should not have deliberately provoked the crowd and his opponents with his wild celebrations. Both of them were being big eejits.
The media did their very best to raise tensions and it was their fault as much as that of the clubs that fans are so angry at the moment.
I can't stand Man U, I'm not going to lie about my bias, but the fact is people just need to calm down on both sides, rather than trying to pin the blame on their opponent. Both managers are guilty of whipping up controversy. Players on both sides are behaving like the spoiled children they are. Everyone is furiously chucking stones in their own little glass houses.
I'm upset we lost, but it was always going to be a tough match and United have much more firepower than we do. I'm over it. The media are going to milk this for all it's worth, but we should resist the temptation to make it worse.
Fair play mate, but you have to admit, all of this could have been avoided if a) Suarez shook his hand... knowing he was found GUILTY of racial abuse (Evra is the victim in all of this) and b) they just avoided the handshake all together.
Surarez's actions on the pitch just displayed how wound up and petty he was, to be honest Evra shouldn't have danced, but the club (United) and Fergie have remained very professional and silent throughout the whole affair, Suarez and Dalglish have just opened up the can of worms again.....
I do agree with Dalglish on one point... Sky will be all over this like a rash
Liverpool have backed Suarez to the hilt in this matter almost blinded to what he'd actually done in the first place but all week we'd been hearing from both clubs about restraint and drawing a line under the matter, and the focus of that was going to be the handshake.
By refusing Evra's hand Suarez has thrown that support (albeit misguided in my opinion) back in the face of his club, and he's let them down hugely with his actions yesterday but yet still Dalglish won't condemn his player's actions. Evra's celebrations post-match were foolish and childish, but at least Ferguson has stated publicly that his captain's actions weren't acceptable.
So another opportunity to try and put some kind of closure on the matter, and once again things have only become more inflamed. Job well done, everyone.
By refusing Evra's hand Suarez has thrown that support (albeit misguided in my opinion) back in the face of his club, and he's let them down hugely with his actions yesterday but yet still Dalglish won't condemn his player's actions. Evra's celebrations post-match were foolish and childish, but at least Ferguson has stated publicly that his captain's actions weren't acceptable.
So another opportunity to try and put some kind of closure on the matter, and once again things have only become more inflamed. Job well done, everyone.
Suarez played here in the Netherlands, and was a problem player then. But not for racism, diving and arguing with the ref and the professional foul, were his main faults.
He was wrong for not shaking hands, the two teams do have history of disliking each other. The Sky news coverage just makes a bad situation worse.
He was wrong for not shaking hands, the two teams do have history of disliking each other. The Sky news coverage just makes a bad situation worse.
Yes Nov. 2010, Ajax Vs PSV
The biggest surprise was he was not sent off, or even booked.
It certainly smacks of someone higher up in the club hierarchy demanding the two publicly apologise.
Maybe avoiding the handshake would have been the wisest course. It's as if we are literally trying to follow Sepp Blatter's advice on how to kick racism out of the game.
Evra may have been willing to shake hands, but the gesture doesn't change the fact that the players will never like each other. It's a hollow gesture really.Still, Suarez should have shaken Evra's hand, regardless of how angry he still may be over the matter. He needs to take his lumps and get over it.
Surarez's actions on the pitch just displayed how wound up and petty he was, to be honest Evra shouldn't have danced, but the club (United) and Fergie have remained very professional and silent throughout the whole affair, Suarez and Dalglish have just opened up the can of worms again.....
I do agree with Dalglish on one point... Sky will be all over this like a rash
I'm disappointed in Dalglish's behavior. He's taken the Mourinho route and created an 'us against the world' siege mentality and it is going to bring out the worst in both sets of fans. The same Man Utd fans who sing songs about Hillsborough are feigning shock and indignation over this affair, and occupying some false moral high ground, while the same Liverpool fans who bring inflatable airplanes to Old Trafford pretend to be the victims of some sort of conspiracy against their innocent manager and star striker. It just needs to stop.
But really, how may loutish, beer-bellied fans on either side would shake each others' hands right now?
And I completely agree with you on Sky's behavior, they are simply throwing fuel on the fire and pantomiming false shock and horror at a situation they certainly exacerbated. 'Handshake rows" have become good business in the media.
So – another opportunity to try and put some kind of closure on the matter, and once again things have only become more inflamed. Job well done, everyone.
I'm glad the suits at the club stepped up and made Dalglish and Suarez apologize. It's worth remembering that the two were on the pitch in a passionate game and let their emotions run away with them. I'm not excusing them in the slightest, but noting that it was necessary for cooler heads to prevail to salvage some of the club's reputation.
This whole thing makes me sick. I don't want to watch football, or even think about it, until further notice.
I would even swap scorelines with OllyW's boys if I could, if it made this idiocy go away.
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Yeah, with regards to Mourinho and Chelsea, I think it depends if Abramovich decides he's ready to put his differences with Mourinho to one side. I'm not sure he is.
Tottenham.. don't have a huge amount of money, not the sort you'd need to a) pay Mourinho and b) allow Mourinho to get the kind of players he would demand. They spend a fair amount, but their wages are far lower than the teams you mention, or indeed Arsenal. Would be very surprised.
ps. City could pay him whatever they want! If Mancini fails to bring home anything (ie. messes up the league) I could see that
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Yes Nov. 2010, Ajax Vs PSV
The biggest surprise was he was not sent off, or even booked.
However, was banned once it was looked at by the Dutch league, if I recall correctly...
To be far, I've no complaints with Pearce being appointed for a couple of friendlies in a caretaker capacity. He knows the players, knows the set up, and if we're looking at testing some of the younger players before the Euros then who better than the under-21 manager who has been working with them for the past few years?Blaughh
Basically, it's a sensible non-boat rocking appointment that makes sense at the moment but that being said I wouldn't want him doing the job for more than a couple of matches while a permanent manager is sorted out.
Happy to see Evra celebrate - 3 stands, a hug from Ferdinand, speaking with Dowd and saying he's off to the Stretford End, celebrating there; shame the Suarez cavalry had to spoil it. Wow! How did the Africa Cup of Nations not erupt after the Zambia keeper celebrated in front of Drogba after the penalty miss?
Dalglish; that's what happens when you trust a vile body who is prepared to sht on you and your club.
The match - slow start, some great play, and a deserved win. Should have killed the game.
James Collins today - 'I can't help it, it's so beautiful'. Jeez, McLeish is negative!
Extra-time in Africa - come on Zambia.
Cheers,
OW
Dalglish; that's what happens when you trust a vile body who is prepared to sh
t on you and your club.The match - slow start, some great play, and a deserved win. Should have killed the game.
James Collins today - 'I can't help it, it's so beautiful'. Jeez, McLeish is negative!
Extra-time in Africa - come on Zambia.
Cheers,
OW
Happy to see Evra celebrate - 3 stands, a hug from Ferdinand, speaking with Dowd and saying he's off to the Stretford End, celebrating there; shame the Suarez cavalry had to spoil it. Wow! How did the Africa Cup of Nations not erupt after the Zambia keeper celebrated in front of Drogba after the penalty miss?
Cheers,
OW
I imagine it's because the Africa Cup of Nations final is a little more significant than a ManUtd v Liverpool match in February.
Hurrah for Zambia – and I have to say, I greatly admire Hervé Renard's jeans/shirt look.
Based on his wardrobe choices he's my pick for the next England manager – make it happen, FA.
Based on his wardrobe choices he's my pick for the next England manager – make it happen, FA.
Yes, sensible appointment in terms of it not really being an appointment.. hopefully he'll manage the one game before the end of the season (Netherlands) before 'appy 'arry comes in. I dislike Stuart Pearce as a manager.. we were awful at the u21s last summer.
(aside: His attitude in the buildup etc. stunk not of someone trying to progress the careers of young professionals, but of someone trying to progress his own career. He was set on playing Wilshire, Carroll etc. despite having already made the step up to the full England squad.. what that would achieve for their development? Other than developing injuries by overplaying already overplayed players... luckily common sense prevailed in the end, albeit not from Stuart Pearce. Rant over!)
(I know arguments about a "winning mentality" and how Spain did it with Mata.. but, well.. I just don't agree with them
)We have a pretty good record in penalty shoot outs recently. However, there's a reason Gervinho was so far down the pecking order.. that penalty went exactly where you'd imagine it to go. Will do his confidence a world of good no doubt...
I like him a lot, think he adds a lot to us but... for a footballer, he's not very good at the actual kicking the ball part.
I fear that instilling a 'winning mentality' in young England internationals is only going to set them up for future disappointment.(I know arguments about a "winning mentality" and how Spain did it with Mata.. but, well.. I just don't agree with them
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