The 2011-2012 NHL Season Thread

[bruinsrme]

Did you read the rule I posted? It could have been considered a delay of game penalty because the Flyers were delaying the game purposely. They are suppose to talk about the trap at the next GMs meetings coming up. I dont know how you would be able to do away with it though.

how were they delaying the game?
Philly chose not to move the puck until, let's say, they had a man open. Tampa chose not to press the play in favor for defensive coverage.
Is one team more guiltyof delay of game than the other?

I would have been pissed of they called a delay of game call even it is was against Philly.

 

[Surely]

Did you read the rule I posted? It could have been considered a delay of game penalty because the Flyers were delaying the game purposely. They are suppose to talk about the trap at the next GMs meetings coming up. I dont know how you would be able to do away with it though.

I saw the rule that you posted. I don't see how that rule should be applied to that situation. The Flyers weren't delaying the game. The puck was still in play, and they could have skated out of their zone with it. Also, the Bolts were free to try to get the puck. There is no rule that forces either team to act in that situation.

Standing around with the puck happens a lot more than you realize. It happens many times at the end of a period or at the end of the game, especially if there isn't time to score enough to change the outcome of the game. It may not happen for 30 seconds, but I've seen it happen for around 10 seconds at a time.

If the league doesn't want that to happen, then they need to create a rule to stop it from happening. A shot clock type rule or a no zone defense type rule (like the NBA). Until they do that, what Laviolette had his players do is fair game.

 

[zioxide]

I can't wait to hear the Canucks fans defend Rome's hit on Smith.

Since he is a repeat offender of targeting the head I wonder how long the suspension it will be.

hopefully not too long, he needs to be back by 1/7/12 so horton can pummel his ass at the garden

 

[S.B.G]

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Stupid NHL blacked out the Red Wings game again tonight. This is like the 3rd or 4th game in a row now.

I'm thinking I am going to cancel my NHL subscription for Apple TV.

 

[cuestakid]

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Stupid NHL blacked out the Red Wings game again tonight. This is like the 3rd or 4th game in a row now.

I'm thinking I am going to cancel my NHL subscription for Apple TV.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I dont think you can at this point-unless you bought it in the last week, you are SOL.

 

[MSM Hobbes]

As far as I'm concerned, the flyers should stop being little whiney bitches. Don't like tampa's 1-3-1 defense? Beat it.

Kinda like this:

YouTube: video

Kinda like what the Blues did last night too, in their nice 3-0 win over 'em.

Man,,, nice to see Hitchcock has these players actually playing now… impressive…

 

[Surely]

Kinda like what the Blues did last night too, in their nice 3-0 win over 'em.

Man,,, nice to see Hitchcock has these players actually playing now… impressive…

Hate to break it to you, but you can't really give credit to Hitchcock just yet. When a new coach arrives, players play harder in order to impress. They're trying to show the new guy in charge that they deserve an important spot on the team. The Blues could have hired anyone, and the effect would be the same.

I'd say wait until they've played ten or so games before deciding whether Hitchcock has actually made any effective change.

Most analysts don't think that Hitch will last very long as head coach there. He's a hard ass, in your face, yell at the players kind of coach. The players tend to start tuning him out after a while. He has a reputation for treating the younger players like crap. That style used to work 10+ years ago, but not anymore. Who knows though.....maybe he's changed his coaching style, and it'll work out.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

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Stupid NHL blacked out the Red Wings game again tonight. This is like the 3rd or 4th game in a row now.

I'm thinking I am going to cancel my NHL subscription for Apple TV.

This is what I don't get about this service. For me, I want to see the Bruins when I'm travelling. My solution was to have my brother get the package for me (lives in AZ) though I never went through with it - got the slingbox instead.

 

[yg17]

Kinda like what the Blues did last night too, in their nice 3-0 win over 'em.

Man,,, nice to see Hitchcock has these players actually playing now… impressive…

Yeah, I don't get all the whining about the 1-3-1 defense either. The Blues beat it. Other teams have beaten it (as evident by TB's .500 record). If it was so infallible, all the other teams would be using it.

On paper, it sounds like a great strategy, but in practice, it's really no better than other strategies.

 

[cuestakid]

I agree. Gustavsson is kind of ruined for now. Ride the kid.....


I highly recommend listening to this podcast. It's today's (Nov. 11th) HockeyCentral@Noon episode, that you can hear daily on the FAN590 in Toronto, Sirius 157, and it's also on Sportsnet TV: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/november-11th-edition-hockeycentral/id354153569?i=105507340
Doug Gilmour was the guest for the entire hour, and Gary Roberts was a call in guest during the last segment. They talked about old times, the practical jokes that Gilmour used to play on his teammates, the difference in the dressing room from back then to now (hint: back then, iPods weren't around), the nightlife, the famous milk commercial that Dougie did, the death threats he received, etc.

YouTube: video

I'll share one story from the program....... they were talking about this open skate that they had back when Gilmour and Kypreos were teammates on the Leafs. The skate was open to the public (I would imagine there was some sort of ticket required), and was held at Maple Leaf Gardens. Kypreos was new to the team, having recently been traded to the Leafs. He's in the dressing room, and the only people in there are people who are supposed to be in there: players, staff, coaches, etc. He sees this guy across the room wearing a Gilmour jersey, a hat, sunglasses, and fake teeth. He's thinking that some crazy fan snuck in. So, Kypreos goes angrily over to the guy to ask him wtf he's doing in there, when the guy laughs and takes off the hat, glasses, teeth. It's actually Doug Gilmour. Kypreos laughs and asks him why he's dressed that way. Dougie replied that it's so crazy out there, there's so many fans everywhere, that he wouldn't have been able to get past them to the dressing room. So, he figured that he'd dress like a crazy fan, fit in, and easily sneak through. It worked.

I love hearing stories like that.


Congrats to all of the 2011 HHOF inductees: Ed Belfour, Doug Gilmour, Mark Howe and Joe Nieuwendyk. A great class.

Thats a great story-another reason why we have the best athletes in the world-they all have a great sense of humor.

When and why did he get death threats?

Anyone else not surprised the eagle showed up jeans and leather jacket and everyone else had a suit?

 

[Surely]

Thats a great story-another reason why we have the best athletes in the world-they all have a great sense of humor.

When and why did he get death threats?

I'm actually not really sure. He was like a rockstar when he was on the Leafs, so I guess there were some crazies after him.

Anyone else not surprised the eagle showed up jeans and leather jacket and everyone else had a suit?

Not surprised at all. Just Eddie being Eddie.


I hope Lucic gets the book thrown at him.

<---NSFW language.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

^^^ I'd be lying if I didn't think we'd be talking about this -- I'm just surprised it took so long.

Here's my view:

• I don't really care for people running over the goalie regardless of being outside of the crease and regardless of the team
• There was going to be contact on this play if both players thought they could get to the puck. Lucic could have pulled up instead of "braced." This could have ended up as incidental if he changed his line
• Miller didn't have to turn left into Lucic's path
• I call BS on the concussion. If he were concussed then they either didn't follow the league rules or he magically was concussed after playing another period and a half.
• Sabres should have had some on ice response

The refs gave Lucic a 2 min minor for charging: (edit: which I thought was correct).
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42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

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Let the bashing whining begin.

TORONTO -- After a thorough review of the play, including a formal disciplinary hearing Monday, Brendan Shanahan, NHL Senior Vice President of Player Safety and Hockey Operations, has decided against any further discipline to Boston forward Milan Lucic for his hit on Buffalo goalie Ryan Miller in Saturday's game at TD Garden.

Shanahan held a hearing with Lucic via conference call because he had specific questions he wanted to ask before making a determination on potential supplemental discipline.

"I had the hearing because I did make an initial assessment of the play as I do with all plays, but I did have some questions for Milan and I wanted to hear directly from him," Shanahan told NHL.com. "They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. I was satisfied with his answers."

Shanahan said the minor penalty for charging was the proper call in this case because it follows Rule 42.1, which reads "a goalkeeper is not fair game just because he is outside the goal crease area."

"The minor penalty called on the ice was the correct call," Shanahan said. "And, while it's unfortunate that Miller was hurt I saw nothing egregious about this hit that would elevate it to supplemental discipline."

Lucic was issued a minor penalty for charging when he skated into Miller with 6:48 remaining in the first period of Saturday's game. Both Lucic and Miller were going after a puck, and the collision occurred inside the faceoff circle. Miller stayed in for the remainder of the first period and played all of the second period before being replaced by Jhonas Enroth to start the third period. Miller allowed 3 goals on 10 shots in the second period.

According to the Sabres, Miller suffered a concussion and will not play Monday in Montreal.

Follow Dan Rosen on Twitter at: @drosennhl

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=601357

 

[leekohler]

Why the Bruins can't seem to play fair is beyond me. Goons.

What would you be saying if another team did that to Thomas, moony?

 

[MooneyFlyer]

Why the Bruins can't seem to play fair is beyond me. Goons.

What would you be saying if another team did that to Thomas, moony?

Calling them goons is a bit much. Lucic had 30 goals last year (sad to say but it was the highest on the team) which is hardly a "Goon" by the standard definition of the term. The Bruins have always been a physical team -- that started long before either of us started watching hockey, Lee.

My first comment above was that I don't advocate hitting the goalie on any team. I stand by that. I do believe that if the goalie puts himself in harms way by coming out of the crease incidental content is warranted -- especially if they are both attacking the puck in a race. I just don't believe in running the guy over -- regardless who it is.

I'm not advocating what he did. I'm saying that he got what he deserved and that there should have been a fight.

The hit below wasn't even a penalty back in the day because it was "accidental" I'm sure you will agree because it was a Blackhawk on a Bruin. (just needling you now)

 

[leekohler]

Calling them goons is a bit much. Lucic had 30 goals last year (sad to say but it was the highest on the team) which is hardly a "Goon" by the standard definition of the term. The Bruins have always been a physical team -- that started long before either of us started watching hockey, Lee.

My first comment above was that I don't advocate hitting the goalie on any team. I stand by that. I do believe that if the goalie puts himself in harms way by coming out of the crease incidental content is warranted -- especially if they are both attacking the puck in a race. I just don't believe in running the guy over -- regardless who it is.

I'm not advocating what he did. I'm saying that he got what he deserved and that there should have been a fight.

The hit below wasn't even a penalty back in the day because it was "accidental" I'm sure you will agree because it was a Blackhawk on a Bruin. (just needling you now)

You're damn right there should have been a fight. So now the excuse is just that the Bruins are a "physical" team? What, because no other team is?

And Lucic should have had the crap kicked out of him for that.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

You're damn right there should have been a fight. So now the excuse is just that the Bruins are a "physical" team? What, because no other team is?

And Lucic should have had the crap kicked out of him for that.

Lee, you have to read all of my words for this to be productive. I don't advocate what he did and he got a penalty for it under the rules.

Perhaps they should have had a go at Luc -- but none of them did. Why is that?

 

[bruinsrme]

Anyone have a link to Seguin being hurled into Miiler?

 

[robo]

Back in first, Finally...
otav89

 

[leekohler]

Lee, you have to read all of my words for this to be productive. I don't advocate what he did and he got a penalty for it under the rules.

Perhaps they should have had a go at Luc -- but none of them did. Why is that?

I don't know. I read all your words, but then you seem to excuse this behavior with saying that the Bruins are a "physical" team (as if no one else is). You even went so far as to say that Miller probably was faking the concussion because he stayed in the game for a while after. That tells me that to some extent, you turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff because it's your team.

So, are the Sabres lying about the concussion?

And Miller is absolutely right- Lucic is a POS for what he did- a damn coward. If you're going to sit there and try to tell me that was unintentional, we're going to have problems. You cannot tell me that Lucic could not have skated out of that situation.

And again, you guys would have been screaming bloody murder if someone did this to Thomas, just like you cried about a bitten finger while Chara broke someone's neck. I have no sympathy for anything that happens to Lucic after seeing this. You wanna dish it out, you should be able to take it too.

 

[MSM Hobbes]

Hate to break it to you, but you can't really give credit to Hitchcock just yet. When a new coach arrives, players play harder in order to impress. They're trying to show the new guy in charge that they deserve an important spot on the team. The Blues could have hired anyone, and the effect would be the same.

I'd say wait until they've played ten or so games before deciding whether Hitchcock has actually made any effective change.

Most analysts don't think that Hitch will last very long as head coach there. He's a hard ass, in your face, yell at the players kind of coach. The players tend to start tuning him out after a while. He has a reputation for treating the younger players like crap. That style used to work 10+ years ago, but not anymore. Who knows though.....maybe he's changed his coaching style, and it'll work out.

lol - you're not breaking anything to me... I've been Blues fan through so many coaching changes, I've lost count,,, but w/ Hitchcock, there is a different fire with these guys, more intensity, more drive. Granted yes its only three games, so no I'm not selling my house on this,,, but nonetheless it is a very positive change in attitude and desire, with impressive playing AND results so far. IMHO, he'll be good for a bit, and then maybe they'll bring in someone that is not so in-your-face aggressive... but for now, he is indeed what this team and these damn players need. Lastly, I'm also quite impressed w/ Hitchcock's pre- and post-game speakings w/ reporters,,, very refreshing compared to prior coaches. Oh, one more lastly, per Hitchcock, he admits that he's modifying his style, growing also. We'll see, and as said above, while I liked David P., I'm tickled he's here.

 

[zioxide]

I hope Lucic gets the book thrown at him.

Miller is a little cry baby bitch. Play hockey buddy. You can't seriously think that's more than a 2 minute minor?

Why the Bruins can't seem to play fair is beyond me. Goons.

What would you be saying if another team did that to Thomas, moony?

wah wah wah. playing fair? what the **** is this? its hockey. you hit people. i didnt know they put a skirt on the goalie. yeah, it was a 2 minute penalty for charging/interference. but it was a clean hit.

it wasn't blind side, it wasn't a hit to the head, it wasn't intent to injure. it was a regular hockey hit, shoulder to chest. looch was skating hard after the puck, had his head down, and picked it up a couple strides before the hit, so he saw miller late. he's not the best skater, so who knows if he could have avoided it at that point or not, but its a moot point.

this uproar is outrageous. are we going to turn this league in to the nba now and have every single hit be a foul? seriously?

you act like thomas has never been hit before. he has, and every time there's a response. remember burrows in the finals? or him flattening sedin? yeah. i wouldn't be surprised if mcquaid, boychuck, ference, or chara got involved too.

You're damn right there should have been a fight. So now the excuse is just that the Bruins are a "physical" team? What, because no other team is?

Teams like the Bruins and Flyers do play styles of hockey that are a lot more physical than teams like Montreal and Tampa....

And Lucic should have had the crap kicked out of him for that.

Good luck.

Anyone have a link to Seguin being hurled into Miiler?

This is where this possible concussion probably happened.

So, are the Sabres lying about the concussion?

Well he apparently was good enough to slash back at lucic with his stick after, and remain in the game for another full period.

I'm so ****ing sick of the pussification of all of our sports leagues now. I get that we want to eliminate deliberate hits to the head, helmet-to-helmet, blind side hits, etc. But this was just a regular hockey hit. It's a 2 min penalty because the hit was on the goalie, but if that was a defenseman in that same situation, it's nothing. Just a normal hit. This whole ordeal is ridiculous.

 

[Surely]

^^^^^^You don't intentionally skate balls out at the goalie. You just don't. You don't take a goalie down like that. You're supposed to do what you can to avoid the collision. Lucic did nothing to avoid that collision....in fact, I think he did what he could to make as big of a hit as possible. It was intent to injure. Take off your homer glasses. Shanahan dropped the ball on this one.

If Lucic and others keep doing stuff like this, the NHL will add more rules to make it more like the NBA. Respect the rules as they are, and no new rules need to be created. Have respect for the Game.

One thing you're right about......if Lucic hit a defenseman like that, it would have been a legal hit. But he didn't. He pummeled a goalie who didn't expect to get hit like that......wait for it.....because goalies aren't supposed to get hit like that in today's NHL. It's an unwritten rule, and it's a matter of respect. You bump him, you take him down with less force, but you don't destroy him. This isn't 1970.

Also, can you ever post without saying **** or ****?

I don't know. I read all your words, but then you seem to excuse this behavior with saying that the Bruins are a "physical" team (as if no one else is). You even went so far as to say that Miller probably was faking the concussion because he stayed in the game for a while after. That tells me that to some extent, you turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff because it's your team.

So, are the Sabres lying about the concussion?

And Miller is absolutely right- Lucic is a POS for what he did- a damn coward. If you're going to sit there and try to tell me that was unintentional, we're going to have problems. You cannot tell me that Lucic could not have skated out of that situation.

And again, you guys would have been screaming bloody murder if someone did this to Thomas, just like you cried about a bitten finger while Chara broke someone's neck. I have no sympathy for anything that happens to Lucic after seeing this. You wanna dish it out, you should be able to take it too.

I agree with everything you said, except for the use of the word "coward". I don't think that's how to describe Lucic or that specific play. Someone who has no respect for the other players on the ice.....now that's a better way to describe Lucic.

lol - you're not breaking anything to me... I've been Blues fan through so many coaching changes, I've lost count,,, but w/ Hitchcock, there is a different fire with these guys, more intensity, more drive. Granted yes its only three games, so no I'm not selling my house on this,,, but nonetheless it is a very positive change in attitude and desire, with impressive playing AND results so far. IMHO, he'll be good for a bit, and then maybe they'll bring in someone that is not so in-your-face aggressive... but for now, he is indeed what this team and these damn players need. Lastly, I'm also quite impressed w/ Hitchcock's pre- and post-game speakings w/ reporters,,, very refreshing compared to prior coaches. Oh, one more lastly, per Hitchcock, he admits that he's modifying his style, growing also. We'll see, and as said above, while I liked David P., I'm tickled he's here.

The Blues could use some success, so I hope you're right.

 

[Apple OC]

How far should goalies be allowed to leave the crease to play the puck and expect to have the "unwritten rule" save them ... 30 feet or more?

Goalies should not be skating out to the face-off circle ... they should be in net saving pucks from becoming goals.

Miller will think twice next time he tries to play as a defenseman and likely decide to just be the goalie and face the shot on net from an advancing forward.

 

[Surely]

^^^^Oh look! A basketball court! Sorry, but your edit added nothing.

How far should goalies be allowed to leave the crease to play the puck and expect to have the "unwritten rule" save them.

Goalies should not be skating out to the face-off circle ... they should be in net saving pucks from becoming goals.

Miller will think twice next time he tries to play as a defenseman and likely decide to just be the goalie and face the shot on net from an advancing forward.

I never said that they shouldn't get hit when they wander outside of the crease. But they shouldn't be run over like that. Lucic could have let up a little lot, but he chose to put his all into a hit on a guy weighing at least 50 lbs less than him. And a goalie, no less.

I don't really know what to say about the rest of your post.

 

[zioxide]

^^^^^^You don't intentionally skate balls out at the goalie. You just don't. You don't take a goalie down like that. You're supposed to do what you can to avoid the collision. Lucic did nothing to avoid that collision....in fact, I think he did what he could to make as big of a hit as possible. It was intent to injure. Take off your homer glasses. Shanahan dropped the ball on this one.

he was intentionally skating balls out at the puck on a breakaway. his head was down as you can clearly see in the video. he wasnt expecting miller to come out all the way to the faceoff dot. you can see when he pulls his head up and he's already skating full speed and by that point. yes, it was a full speed collision, but he let up before the hit and he definitely didn't drive in to him. i've seen looch actually drive a real hit on to someone, and its way worse than that.

anyway, i hope he keeps this play up. he's been playing balls to the wall lately, and it's been paying off.


on another note:

NEW YORK, N.Y. - Tyler Seguin's four goals and two assists earned the Boston Bruins centre the NHL's first star of the week honours.

Seguin scored a pair of game winners as the Bruins (8-7-0) won all three games last week.

The 19-year-old scored the game winner in a 6-2 victory over the New York Islanders on Nov. 7, scored the winner and added an assist in a 6-3 win over Edmonton three nights later, then recorded two goals and an assist in a 6-2 victory over Buffalo on Saturday.

Seguin leads the Bruins with 11 goals and nine assists in 15 games.

This kid is a superstar in the making. His two-way game is so vastly improved too. Second in the league in goals (11), ironically 1 behind Kessel. Fourth in points (20). First in +/- (+14). He's on pace for 60g/109p right now.