Anyone stuffing the NHL All-Star Ballot with players from their favourite team?
For whatever reason, they allow you to vote 30 times. I have probably voted 15 times so far.
Man, the All star ballot is a JOKE. Crosby's on it first off. He hasn't played since January. And the Bruins have 6 nominees but no Seguin? He's been our best player and a top 5 player in the league so far.
[*] I do believe that Lucic could have pulled up more which would have resulted in incidental contact and no penalty
Probably. But thats why he got the 2 minute minor. For hitting the goalie when it wasn't incidental contact. No different than laying out some other player away from the puck on a normal hit. That would just be a 2 minute interference.
Realistically, how is it any worse than this?
And that wasn't even a penalty.
[*] I'm not even going to address the Chara one because are we really still talking about that? Perhaps you should join the group trying to press criminal charges. Honestly.
quick, someone call 911! a player in a hockey game got hit by another player!
[*] Re: the concussion: I'll let you defend this. Either he has one and he broke the rule about going into the observation room for 15 minutes after the hit or he doesn't have one from that play in my opinion. From what I understand, concussion symptoms are fairly immediate. There is another option that I hadn't considered until watching the interviews which is that the concussion happened on a later play. Also, there was no hit to the guys head and his head did not hit the ice. Maybe he has a concussed ego
Someone needs to find the clip of the play in the 2nd period where one of the sabres hurled Seguin in to Miller. Thats the play Miller looked dazed after.
He could have kept his elbows down too
You're talking about Miller right? Cause as you can see from the stills that bruinsrme posted, Miller's elbows are higher than Lucic's.
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First pic of the sequence, Lucic's head is still down. They're less than 10 feet away. This is where the puck gets to Miller and he plays it.
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Milliseconds later, Lucic picks his head up and sees Miller is there.
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We can clearly see Lucic's elbows lower than Miller. He's leaning back looks like he's trying to turn his right skate to the left, but there's not enough weight on it. Meanwhile Miller's putting his elbow up to brace for the collision.
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Elbows are still lower than Millers. Contact is made. From this pic it looks like Miller is leaning in to the check more than Lucic. Lucic is still leaning back. Obviously, he's traveling at top speed so it's still a big hit, but I've seen Lucic actually trying to hit someone. Look at the Van Ryn clip for example. He uses his lower body to drive in to the hit and actually generate the power, even when he's already skating at near top speed. There's none of this here.
Look at these two pics.
Whose elbows were up? Note picture 5, the yellow stripes closest to miller is Lucic's right elbow.
thanks for posting these. I saw them earlier but was not figuring out how to post at 4am.
if you look at the pictures above ... Miller was well into the face-off circle trying to play a puck he should not have been playing.
He should be defending the net and not trying to play pucks that far from the net. IMO Lucic should not even receive a penalty on this play.
Well the puck was already gone, so even if it was a regular skater it would probably be 2 minute interference. But that's it.
WTF? So goalies are now fair game? Really? You think goalies should be taken out for leaving the crease and that Miller deserved this hit? Wow.
Why shouldn't they be? They wear more padding than every other player. Assuming its within the rules of hitting other players (ie not boarding, hit to the head, etc), I think that if the goalies outside the crease or trapezoid he should be fair game to get hit. This is hockey, not soccer.
I got a mild one about a month ago, and didn't realize until the game was over and I was sitting in the locker room. I got hit on the right side of my cage with a nasty slapshot in the middle of the game. They stopped the game, I was a little shaken up, but figured I was fine and kept going. It was afterward that I figured out I wasn't completely fine. I had one of the guys follow me home.
Fair enough. But we still need to find a clip of the play where the Buffalo defender pushed Seguin in to Miller. Because it was after the Lucic hit, and he looked more dazed after that.
Great. It's good to see that both teams got a fair deal.
Let it go dude.
I'm not trying to rub it in. It's a big story. We could be watching the birth of the next Stamkos or Toews. I'm only 23, but never in my life have I seen a player on the Bruins with the kind of talent this kid has. EVERY game this season he has had tons of chances and looked like he could have got a hat trick. He has a killer shot, great passing skills, unbelievable speed, and his overall two-way game has come so far in just a year. He makes a difference on every shift in every zone on the ice. Obviously, learning from and playing with Bergeron every night is helping this. But this means Seguin is also playing against the other teams top lines. All of this with a +14 rating. Second in goals, but he plays ~4-5 min less than everyone else in the top 10, so in goals per game, he is best in the league.
Claude made the right call holding him back last year. Speaking of which, he gets no credit for developing all these young guys. The ages of our top 6: 23 25 26, 23 26 19.
Maybe Lucic should think twice before barreling into a defenseless goalie and not making any effort whatsoever to lessen the collision.
Defenseless? Go back and look at the last picture. Doesn't look like Miller can be classified as "defenseless".
Goalies are allowed to skate out of their crease to play the puck. It's part of the game. It's also understood by all of the players that you DO NOT run over a goalie as hard as you can no matter where he is on the ice.
If you don't think that Lucic deserves that minimum 2 minute penalty, then you need to gain a better understanding of the rules.
Nobody's saying he didn't deserve the two minutes. The way the rules currently are, that's exactly what was warranted. Nothing more.
I just listened to the Bruins play by play guy being interviewed on the FAN590 in Toronto. Even he said that it appeared that Lucic made absolutely no effort to let up at all. He said that in the split second that Lucic had to decide "Do I hit him as hard as I can, or do I ease up a bit?", it's quite obvious that Lucic decided to hit him as hard as he could. Just for the sake of full disclosure, he said that he felt that the two minute penalty was enough of a punishment, and that Lucic didn't deserve any additional discipline.
There's no way thats "as hard as I can". If Lucic would have used his lower body to launch in to the hit it would have been way worse. He glided in to him.
If goalies are allowed to come so far out of net without the risk of being checked like other players ... why not just let them skate out to center ice with the puck?
Good point.
Miller was taken out by one of his own players as Seguin pushed into him. That hit looked worse than te collision. Miller looked a bit dazed after he and Seguin exchanged WTFs.
Everyone loves to ignore things like this and Miller slashing at Lucic.
And you can't tell me that Lucic could not avoid that collision.
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This is where he sees Miller. What are they, 10 feet apart? In the half a second it takes him to travel that distance, you expect him to completely turn and miss Miller? This is Lucic we're talking about. Maybe a player like Seguin or Marchand could turn enough to avoid the hit for the most part, but Lucic is an awful skater. If the kid could skate he would have been a top 5 draft pick, not the 50th.
