The 2012-2013 Football Thread

[Confuzzzed]

I saw that myself a little earlier – a colleague was reading various pieces about the report online and commented on the lack of coverage there compared to the other news outlets. This isn't surprising in the slightest of course, as The Sun was a key player in spreading the notion that the tragedy was caused purely by 'drunken ticketless louts' – a story which has once again been debunked by this latest report.

During my dinner hour I read some of the details revealed today about what went on and how things were covered up – there's some stuff in there that was already known of course, and stuff that was suspected to have happened, but it makes for absolutely sickening reading.

I really appreciate you saying this mate. Living in Liverpool and seeing how the whole sorry 23 years have eroded most non-scouse people's sympathy/empathy towards the 96 and their families (it's human nature, people forget, they move on and it's easy to start getting annoyed at people that still harp on about stuff you don't really understand) the greatest result from this week's events is for those people to regain their dignity. Because some of those mostly very young people who died were denied that basic human right of dignity in death. May they now rest in peace. Starting by stripping some knighthoods, fixing the cause of death on people's death certificates and if it is proven, putting some of the culprits behind bars. I know it's not about retribution and it won't bring back the dead BUT you can't have part of the state actively harming the same people whose taxes pay their salaries without some penal implications. That would be true justice. IMHO

 

[Fuzzy14]

I saw that myself a little earlier – a colleague was reading various pieces about the report online and commented on the lack of coverage there compared to the other news outlets. This isn't surprising in the slightest of course, as The Sun was a key player in spreading the notion that the tragedy was caused purely by 'drunken ticketless louts' – a story which has once again been debunked by this latest report.

During my dinner hour I read some of the details revealed today about what went on and how things were covered up – there's some stuff in there that was already known of course, and stuff that was suspected to have happened, but it makes for absolutely sickening reading.

What's often missed is that other media outlets also grossly misrepresented the Liverpool fans, notably The Daily Star, the BBC and local newspaper Liverpool [Echo] Daily Post. Although while the other outlets put enough ifs, buts and doubts in their headlines trust The Sun to go the whole hog.

The source of the misinformation appears to be from then Sheffield Hallam Tory MP Irvine Patnick.

 

[Confuzzzed]

What's often missed is that other media outlets also grossly misrepresented the Liverpool fans, notably The Daily Star, the BBC and local newspaper Liverpool Echo. Although while the other outlets put enough ifs, buts and doubts in their headlines trust The Sun to go the whole hog.

The source of the misinformation appears to be from then Sheffield Hallam Tory MP Irvine Patnick.

Not sure about the Echo. It wouldn't be their style but if you have recollection of it, I'll take your word for it and maybe try and look into it at the local library which keeps archives of such things. The Daily Mail on the other hand was almost as bad as the Sun

 

[Confuzzzed]

What's often missed is that other media outlets also grossly misrepresented the Liverpool fans, notably The Daily Star, the BBC and local newspaper Liverpool Echo. Although while the other outlets put enough ifs, buts and doubts in their headlines trust The Sun to go the whole hog.

The source of the misinformation appears to be from then Sheffield Hallam Tory MP Irvine Patnick.

The police chief was also a significant source of misinformation

 

[2020mike]

Happy match day, the international break seemed like forever. Think I'll watch fulham or stoke today. Any games people are looking forward to today?

 

[twietee]

Happy match day, the international break seemed like forever. Think I'll watch fulham or stoke today. Any games people are looking forward to today?

True, that break took forever. Watching Arsenal and Dortmund 50/50..are you people actually are aware of how fortunate you are with your commentators?
Always getting very jealous hearing them.

 

[2020mike]

True, that break took forever. Watching Arsenal and Dortmund 50/50..are you people actually are aware of how fortunate you are with your commentators?
Always getting very jealous hearing them.

Who is announcing for the Arsenal game? I try to avoid watching Bundesliga games because their English announcers are always terrible IMO.

 

[Fuzzy14]

Not sure about the Echo. It wouldn't be their style but if you have recollection of it, I'll take your word for it and maybe try and look into it at the local library which keeps archives of such things. The Daily Mail on the other hand was almost as bad as the Sun

Correction, it was the Liverpool Daily Post who ran an article titled "I Blame the Yobs" sorry for the confusion.

This article in When Saturday Comes written in 1989 just after the disaster is breathtaking in it's accuracy, fanzines such as these were the lone voice campaigning for the fans before the publication of the Taylor Report.

 

[twietee]

Who is announcing for the Arsenal game? I try to avoid watching Bundesliga games because their English announcers are always terrible IMO.

I have no clue. I rarely watch Bundesliga with English announcers either, but when I do it's always a blessing compared to the German ones. I'm not joking here. Big plus is the matter of fact style and that there are (always?) two commentators.

Darn, I needed those clean sheets you Gunners!

 

[daneoni]

Job done. And the Top 4 Clubs take up their usual section of the table. Would've liked Giroud to get off the mark but didn't happen.

 

[sparkyms]

Today was not the best day to be a saints fan :-/

 

[Lord Blackadder]

At least Liverpool didn't lose today.

This article in When Saturday Comes written in 1989 just after the disaster is breathtaking in it's accuracy, fanzines such as these were the lone voice campaigning for the fans before the publication of the Taylor Report.

An amazing article, doubtless one of the few contemporary voices not corrupted by the lies prevalent at the time. The social divide between football fans and the authorities that existed at the time is apparent here - the author lays out the causes of the disaster, the lies, the cover up, the politicized response, everything. And he also correctly predicts that nobody will listen to him. Shocking.

 

[daneoni]

Madrid now 8pts behind Barca. Always the 3rd season with The Special One. Puyol injured again...out for 6 weeks.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

New York 3-1 Columbus

No Higauin today, and despite a 3rd minute goal for the Crew we lost today in front of New York's dismally small crowd (they have a new stadium, Thierry Henry, Tim Cahill etc etc - where are the supporters?). Henry got two, taking advantage of some defensive errors.

Two losses in a row now, we need to pick it up quick.

Madrid now 8pts behind Barca. Always the 3rd season with The Special One. Puyol injured again...out for 6 weeks.

The crazy thing is, Sevilla scored in the second minute and spent the next 88 plus stoppage holding on for the 1-0 win. That would have been a nailbiter for Sevilla fans to watch...

 

[daneoni]

^
City will fancy themselves mid-week. Although i hope Madrid beat them in the 90th minute. Tenderise them for us.

 

[2020mike]

New York 3-1 Columbus

No Higauin today, and despite a 3rd minute goal for the Crew we lost today in front of New York's dismally small crowd (they have a new stadium, Thierry Henry, Tim Cahill etc etc - where are the supporters?). Henry got two, taking advantage of some defensive errors.

Two losses in a row now, we need to pick it up

New York can never seem to draw consistent crowds even with all their stars.

Another win for Chicago tonight an another 3 points. They don't seem to be missing Pappa at all.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

We were amazingly ace yesterday. That is all.

 

[takao]

Germany got back to its roots, which is ugly winning in perfection

after this weekends game it is pretty clear that Arnautovic has currently all the bad luck in the world

 

[twietee]

after this weekends game it is pretty clear that Arnautovic has currently all the bad luck in the world

don't say that, I have him in my German Fantasy team! But seriously I followed him for quite some time now and hope he stays as constant as he's right now. Great player imho.

The last (two) game(s) against Germany were bad luck that's true. And we're jealous because of Alaba.

 

[Happybunny]

The big news in Dutch football this weekend.

Utrecht 1 PSV 0

Utrecht was down to 9 men after 2 red cards, but still managed to score.

The rest of the results went as expected.

 

[Cox Orange]

...are you people actually are aware of how fortunate you are with your commentators?
Always getting very jealous hearing them.

Who is announcing for the Arsenal game? I try to avoid watching Bundesliga games because their English announcers are always terrible IMO.

It depends, what TV-channels do you talk about in particular? I find ARD and ZDF have some good and some accepatable commentators. Sport1 and Eurosport, I find terrible 90% of the time. Don't often watch the english Eurosport commentary, because I the being two commentators, they often get lost somewhere, talking about other stuff.
If you mean Sky. I don't have the feeling to want to pay for Sky, because marketing gives me the impression of being somewhat like Sport1 and the Pro7-media-empire. So I do not even think of spending money for them. Of course this limits the number of games I am able to watch, but since I am a bit cherry-picking, as you might have allready guessed from my prevoius posts, that's ok for me.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Utrecht was down to 9 men after 2 red cards, but still managed to score.

One thing I've noticed about the Eredivisie so far this season, Bunny – is it just me or have there been a lot of red cards flying around? There seems to be a red or two dished out every round of matches, and Utrecht aren't the first team to go down to nine men this season – Zwolle had two sent off a week or two back (against NEC I think?).

Are the referees coming down really hard on players wearing the wrong coloured ankle tape or something?

 

[Lord Blackadder]

New York can never seem to draw consistent crowds even with all their stars.

Another win for Chicago tonight an another 3 points. They don't seem to be missing Pappa at all.

Chicago is having a great season, and are showing good form at the right time. I'm still rooting for San Jose, especially if they take the Supporter's Shield.

We were amazingly ace yesterday. That is all.

Koren with a 25 yarder - and then three more goals! Not bad for the lads in amber & black.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Koren with a 25 yarder - and then three more goals! Not bad for the lads in amber & black.

It wasn't just the scoreline that impressed, the whole team played fantastically well together. Bruce has employed a 3-5-2 formation the last few games and it's working a treat so far.

We took the foot off the pedal in the second half but still looked very, very comfortable. Leeds United are next up, away on Tuesday night. That'll be when it all comes to a juddering halt.

 

[ECUpirate44]

Fitzgerald is killing me....