When you're only 1 touchdown away from tying it up, there's always a chance.
yeah but that extra point is gonna be their downfall
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yeah but that extra point is gonna be their downfall
Tigers
The only thing I could hope is all this rest will make them stiff. Giants need to rest up tomorrow. That was a real rollercoaster division and championship series and for you and me, probably a lot of fun but for fans of other teams, probably very boring. I have a feeling whole country will be behind the Tigers being that it's been since forever since their last WS win. I know most expected the Reds or Nationals to be here to make this a fair fight so I think Giants will come in as huge underdogs.
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When you're only 1 touchdown away from tying it up, there's always a chance.
That's funny!
In the words of Hunter Pence, this year's Giants are "a beautiful disaster". I like being the dog with Detroit. Just feels more positive. If the Giants were favored, they'd be in trouble...
Good day for the Red Sox. I feel like I haven't been able to say that in like 2 years.
Red Sox introduce John Farrell as new manager
Red Sox finalizing 2 year deal with David Ortiz
Finally feels like this team may be getting on the right track again. Farrell was the guy they wanted all along, here's hoping he's the one. This may still be a 2014 project, but anything is better than last year's crapfest/Bobby V experiment.
Word is the highly regarded Torrey Lovullo will be Farrell's bench coach. I think the pitching coach will be the most important hire now.
And go Tigers!
Red Sox introduce John Farrell as new manager
Red Sox finalizing 2 year deal with David Ortiz
Finally feels like this team may be getting on the right track again. Farrell was the guy they wanted all along, here's hoping he's the one. This may still be a 2014 project, but anything is better than last year's crapfest/Bobby V experiment.
Word is the highly regarded Torrey Lovullo will be Farrell's bench coach. I think the pitching coach will be the most important hire now.
And go Tigers!
Is there anybody here for the Giants?
It kind of looks funny when we had three out of the four teams in the CS as recent WS winners ('09, '10, '11). If none of the four teams are traditionally one you root for, it makes sense to go for team that hasn't won it since 1984.
I think fan base will be so lopsided for Tigers. If it weren't the Giants or A's I would be all over being a Tigers fan. It's one thing for SF to be winless in WS for 5 1/2 decades, but 3 decades without a WS win also seems like quite an eternity.
If Detroit wins, I think it will be one of the biggest sports celebrations to date rivaling SF's 2010 56 year wait and Boston's even longer wait when they ditched the Bambino curse in 2004. IIRC, the 1984 Detroit celebration was off the hook and went a little too far. Sure, riots happen after big wins but this one was for the ages and it had only been a decade and a half for them. But then again I wouldn't want to be at Soma on the street if SF wins the big one.
Odds are greatly with Tigers (but those can probably change drastically if Verlander loses):
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/10/world_series_odds_online_bookm.html
It kind of looks funny when we had three out of the four teams in the CS as recent WS winners ('09, '10, '11). If none of the four teams are traditionally one you root for, it makes sense to go for team that hasn't won it since 1984.
I think fan base will be so lopsided for Tigers. If it weren't the Giants or A's I would be all over being a Tigers fan. It's one thing for SF to be winless in WS for 5 1/2 decades, but 3 decades without a WS win also seems like quite an eternity.
If Detroit wins, I think it will be one of the biggest sports celebrations to date rivaling SF's 2010 56 year wait and Boston's even longer wait when they ditched the Bambino curse in 2004. IIRC, the 1984 Detroit celebration was off the hook and went a little too far. Sure, riots happen after big wins but this one was for the ages and it had only been a decade and a half for them. But then again I wouldn't want to be at Soma on the street if SF wins the big one.
Odds are greatly with Tigers (but those can probably change drastically if Verlander loses):
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/10/world_series_odds_online_bookm.html
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I think outside of Giants fans, you won't find a ton of support for a team that just won the WS two years ago.
I don't actively dislike the Giants, I won't be heartbroken if they win. But all things equal, I'd rather see a team that hasn't won it in awhile take the championship.
Good day for the Red Sox. I feel like I haven't been able to say that in like 2 years.
Red Sox introduce John Farrell as new manager
Red Sox finalizing 2 year deal with David Ortiz
Finally feels like this team may be getting on the right track again. Farrell was the guy they wanted all along, here's hoping he's the one. This may still be a 2014 project, but anything is better than last year's crapfest/Bobby V experiment.
Word is the highly regarded Torrey Lovullo will be Farrell's bench coach. I think the pitching coach will be the most important hire now.
And go Tigers!
Good news about Papi. The last thing the Sox needed was that type of distraction this offseason. Now we see where they go from here. I do hope they keep Melancon, though. He's my favorite Red Sox.
God knows what the Yanks will do - and it's come down today that Pineda probably won't be ready until mid season. I see another season of a patch work rotation. God help us if Andy and Kuroda don't return.
For a non-Giants fan, it's hard to make a case.
For the Giants fans, we had the hit of a 50 game suspension of Melky Cabrera (our best hitter) due to performance enhancing drugs and the downfall of Tim Lincecum's once brilliant pitching. Probably worst of all was losing reliever Brian Wilson for the season to knee surgery. Those types of losses would effectively shut down a team from serious contention so this successful season culminating in a postseason spot was much more unlikely than the 2010 run. I don't know of any serious Giants fans who thought we would be here going avoiding all those close calls. I still cannot fathom how we got past the Reds and am in no way ready to face the WS.
If anything, Melky is going to make the Giants a tough sell to non fans.
I went to high school with Max Scherzer and his younger brother who sadly passed away this year. Kinda hard for me to not root for him and the Tigers.
Good news about Papi. The last thing the Sox needed was that type of distraction this offseason. Now we see where they go from here. I do hope they keep Melancon, though. He's my favorite Red Sox.
Shaddup.
God that bullpen was a disaster. Looking forward to John Farrell working with Lester/Bard to hopefully get them both back on track. They're big pieces of our team. Same with Buccholz.We've got some good kids in the minors, too. Might just take time, which is unfortunate, because I'm the least patient person on the planet.
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They'll do what they always do, break out the checkbook + flash the pinstripes = reel in a few big fish. Damn them.
We'll see. The free agent class this year doesn't have many big fish. And I hope to heck we stay far, far away from Josh Hamilton. The Yanks have been trying (as much as the Yankees can, anyway) to not throw as much money around as they have in years past.
My first priority would be resigning Kuroda - he's shown he can pitch in the AL East and I'd love to have him back in the rotation. Last year the 3 biggest moves Cashman made was signing Kuroda, Raul Ibanez (and NOBODY wanted him on the Yanks), and the trade for Ichiro. All moves that made little splash.
I'm hoping the trend continues. I wouldn't mind bringing Ichiro back - I know we need to get younger, but he had a heck of a year for us and we could use some speed. I don't see them bringing Swisher back - unless he comes back to reality about how much money he wants. And we'll see what they decide about a catcher.
I haven't looked at the full list of free agents, so I'm not exactly sure who's out there.
Is Papi a big threat anymore, I don't see how 2 years is anything else but to say thank you for the past.Good news about Papi. The last thing the Sox needed was that type of distraction this offseason. Now we see where they go from here. I do hope they keep Melancon, though. He's my favorite Red Sox.
God knows what the Yanks will do - and it's come down today that Pineda probably won't be ready until mid season. I see another season of a patch work rotation. God help us if Andy and Kuroda don't return.
I don't see the Yankees spending tons of money anymore with a hard cap starting in 2014.
In 90 games last year, he hit .318 with 23 HR and 60 RBI's. I'd take that from our DH in 2/3 season.
I also think it's important to keep him around - that guy bleeds Red Sox, and if they have another year like 2012 - he'll only help. And he's still productive, so...
I thought outside of his achilles injury, he had a great bounce back season. 2 years/$25 million is not anything crazy. He's a leader and always a HR threat. The swing is still there, the only question is health.
I'd take him over A-Rod in a heartbeat, and for 58% off.
Basically. And the Red Sox lineup is sorely lacking firepower at the moment. There's not a better DH option on the market, without considering the important intangibles he brings.
That is a black spot on the Giants legacy this year for sure. If anything if he plays in WS (under contract) he will be the cleanest guy out there and not even have Coca Cola in his veins.
Also Barry Bonds being all juiced up in 2002 was probably a good reason for us not to win it all. Bonds has his downfall after that and it would have made us look like cheaters had we won. I know others used but Bonds was front and center.
63Dot as I said. I'm rooting for the Giants
In terms of 2013 I think things are promising for the cards.
20 Mil freeing up (Lohse and Berkman) for payroll, we actually have deep pitching options with Kelly, Miller, and Rosenthal all likely to make the roster.
We have some promising prospects from the farm for infielders/outfielders that could possibly make the roster next year. I think we can hold off a year and let them develop though.
I'd like Jaime Garcia and Matt Holliday to go away on a trade (although I'm not sure anyone would take either of them on terms that would be close to favorable). Kozma too.
I'd buy one more starting pitcher, a lefty for the bullpen, and a 2nd baseman.
I'd like to see Matheny mature as a manager and start bringing more consistency to their results. He showed too much loyalty to some players and not enough to others.
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Naw. Baseball was juicing back then. That was the game. If you didn't juice you couldn't keep up. I think Barry Bonds/McGuire/Sosa/Canseco/etc etc... would have all been superstars had they and the rest of baseball not been juicing, but just not in the overstated manner in which they were.
One of my favorite symptoms of the end of the Steroid/PED Era is that pitching is once again a dominant factor in the game. It's been a sort of pitching renaissance.
In terms of 2013 I think things are promising for the cards.
20 Mil freeing up (Lohse and Berkman) for payroll, we actually have deep pitching options with Kelly, Miller, and Rosenthal all likely to make the roster.
We have some promising prospects from the farm for infielders/outfielders that could possibly make the roster next year. I think we can hold off a year and let them develop though.
I'd like Jaime Garcia and Matt Holliday to go away on a trade (although I'm not sure anyone would take either of them on terms that would be close to favorable). Kozma too.
I'd buy one more starting pitcher, a lefty for the bullpen, and a 2nd baseman.
I'd like to see Matheny mature as a manager and start bringing more consistency to their results. He showed too much loyalty to some players and not enough to others.
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That is a black spot on the Giants legacy this year for sure. If anything if he plays in WS (under contract) he will be the cleanest guy out there and not even have Coca Cola in his veins.
Also Barry Bonds being all juiced up in 2002 was probably a good reason for us not to win it all. Bonds has his downfall after that and it would have made us look like cheaters had we won. I know others used but Bonds was front and center.
Naw. Baseball was juicing back then. That was the game. If you didn't juice you couldn't keep up. I think Barry Bonds/McGuire/Sosa/Canseco/etc etc... would have all been superstars had they and the rest of baseball not been juicing, but just not in the overstated manner in which they were.
One of my favorite symptoms of the end of the Steroid/PED Era is that pitching is once again a dominant factor in the game. It's been a sort of pitching renaissance.
63Dot as I said. I'm rooting for the Giants
In terms of 2013 I think things are promising for the cards.
20 Mil freeing up (Lohse and Berkman) for payroll, we actually have deep pitching options with Kelly, Miller, and Rosenthal all likely to make the roster.
We have some promising prospects from the farm for infielders/outfielders that could possibly make the roster next year. I think we can hold off a year and let them develop though.
I'd like Jaime Garcia and Matt Holliday to go away on a trade (although I'm not sure anyone would take either of them on terms that would be close to favorable). Kozma too.
I'd buy one more starting pitcher, a lefty for the bullpen, and a 2nd baseman.
I'd like to see Matheny mature as a manager and start bringing more consistency to their results. He showed too much loyalty to some players and not enough to others.
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Naw. Baseball was juicing back then. That was the game. If you didn't juice you couldn't keep up. I think Barry Bonds/McGuire/Sosa/Canseco/etc etc... would have all been superstars had they and the rest of baseball not been juicing, but just not in the overstated manner in which they were.
One of my favorite symptoms of the end of the Steroid/PED Era is that pitching is once again a dominant factor in the game. It's been a sort of pitching renaissance.
Barry Bonds went from a great player to a top 10 player of all time because of roids.
To be honest I don't mind roids in professional sports and actually Bonds is one of my favorites.
63Dot as I said. I'm rooting for the Giants
In terms of 2013 I think things are promising for the cards.
20 Mil freeing up (Lohse and Berkman) for payroll, we actually have deep pitching options with Kelly, Miller, and Rosenthal all likely to make the roster.
We have some promising prospects from the farm for infielders/outfielders that could possibly make the roster next year. I think we can hold off a year and let them develop though.
I'd like Jaime Garcia and Matt Holliday to go away on a trade (although I'm not sure anyone would take either of them on terms that would be close to favorable). Kozma too.
I'd buy one more starting pitcher, a lefty for the bullpen, and a 2nd baseman.
I'd like to see Matheny mature as a manager and start bringing more consistency to their results. He showed too much loyalty to some players and not enough to others.
Thanks for the support. For a young man, I think the manager has done well. I didn't know he favored anyone. Does your team move around as much as my Giants? We lost some big names just after WS and advancing age is a real beech. It's truly amazing how a person can decline after age 30 or 35, even in reflexes. New York's former hero not too long ago Matsui (age 38) is over with, and we wouldn't have garnered much more with Renteria (37). I understand football and all the hits knocking out even the strongest of folks, but baseball is no old man's sport for most. It's one thing to be an armchair warrior thinking any physical activity whether it be a blue collar job or sports professional, can be done for 20 years, but then another thing to do that to one's body. There's even talk about our former #1 pitcher Tim Lincecum falling off the map in ERA due to his age and very physical, freakish way of delivery at 28. Our other Cy Young pitcher Zito gets by with his slower but far more unpredictable style and trajectory of ball, and when on is just as unhittable as his glory days with the A's.
I think we will pitch with Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong, and Zito and have Lincecum as mid reliever and Romo as main closer. I don't know the Tigers hitters and if they could handle these guys or not. If they are the same team, after really long rest, that beat the Yankees, then Detroit will be too hard to beat. Again I am hoping this time that the inactivity, and sheer gravity of being overwhelming big dance favorite after nearly 30 years will be too much for them. The press seems to think it's theirs from them to choke with and that's not a good way to come into this series loose and ready to play.
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