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I'm sooooooo tired of our crap style of football and our stupid owner....


My fave player is off to Celtic... eh maybe so am i... lol.

I know.

I do understand.

Actually, it is very frustrating to have lost your heart, (football) judgment, mind, and some sense of sanity to a football club, especially an underperforming football club.
 
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Come on. Your only 10th. Imagine what relegation feels like. Seeing all your best players leave.
We're 22nd ... lol. You were quoting, and responding to, @Scepticalscribe ... lol. my bad...

But still:
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Come on. Your only 10th. Imagine what relegation feels like. Seeing all your best players leave.

We're 22nd ... lol. You were quoting, and responding to, @Scepticalscribe ... lol. my bad...

But still:
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Yes I was comparing the current Arsenal slump with the prospect of relegation which we have faced in the past. It’s horrible.
Okay: Fair point, @pachyderm (and @Apple fanboy): Arsenal's decline is relative, and Mr Arteta is slowly but surely stiffening the spine of that defence. Relegation threats are something else entirely.

However, I do recall my brother - Decent Brother - who supports Sunderland (and swears that he is now entirely over that irrational passion), one afternoon, - it was the day before his final law exam of that summer - over two and a half decades ago, while attending university and studying law as a "mature" student (I was teaching there at the time), pausing, on his way home, to stop in a pub, sip a beer or two, (to relax, he said), to watch Sunderland play in a match which would determine whether or not they relegated.

If memory serves, it was one of those bizarrely high scoring games which they still managed to lose, a sort of snatch defeat from the jaws of victory thing.

Anyway, he blamed Sunderland - and the despair, frustration and heartbreak that they regularly put their supporters through, - for the fact that his grades from the exam he sat the following day were less than they otherwise might have been.
 
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Thoughts on these rumours?

France striker Alexandre Lacazette, 29, is one of several players Arsenal could sell this summer as part of a clear-out to cut costs. (Sun)

Brazil defender David Luiz, 33, Uruguay midfielder Lucas Torreira, 25, and French midfielder Matteo Guendouzi, 21, also look set to leave Arsenal.
(Star)
 
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Thoughts on these rumours?

France striker Alexandre Lacazette, 29, is one of several players Arsenal could sell this summer as part of a clear-out to cut costs. (Sun)

Brazil defender David Luiz, 33, Uruguay midfielder Lucas Torreira, 25, and French midfielder Matteo Guendouzi, 21, also look set to leave Arsenal.
(Star)
I read this. I think with the older players I can see the logic. They are probably on a high wage. But depends on who you can get in to replace them.
 
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I read this. I think with the older players I can see the logic. They are probably on a high wage. But depends on who you can get in to replace them.
Feels a bit "Wengerball" to me...in that they are balancing the books rather than looking at creating room for new players.

Maybe I'm just reading the vibe wrong.
 
I'm pretty sure Arsenal will be ok. Eventually... not sure so about Wednesday.
Wednesday are going through what Saints did in the Lowe era.
We crashed through the floor of the divisions until we were sitting at the bottom of League One with a healthy points deficit.
Along came the GREATEST MAN TO HAVE EVER LIVED (Otherwise known as Herr Markus Liebherr), who bailed us out, put his own money into the club, put decent business managers and football managers in, refused to overpay for players at that level and then promptly popped his clogs, leaving behind a daughter who continued his legacy for a while before she ended up selling a majority stake to a Chinese charlatan who is slowly killing the club all over again.

So it'll be fine. Wednesday will come right eventually and then they won't again. And then possibly they will come right once again.
 
Wednesday are going through what Saints did in the Lowe era.
We crashed through the floor of the divisions until we were sitting at the bottom of League One with a healthy points deficit.
Along came the GREATEST MAN TO HAVE EVER LIVED (Otherwise known as Herr Markus Liebherr), who bailed us out, put his own money into the club, put decent business managers and football managers in, refused to overpay for players at that level and then promptly popped his clogs, leaving behind a daughter who continued his legacy for a while before she ended up selling a majority stake to a Chinese charlatan who is slowly killing the club all over again.

So it'll be fine. Wednesday will come right eventually and then they won't again. And then possibly they will come right once again.

I appreciate the effort but... You realize we've done this all before ?

This is a repetitive cycle for us. I do believe we'll actually avoid the drop but it will be close.
 
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I appreciate the effort but... You realize we've done this all before ?

This is a repetitive cycle for us. I do believe we'll actually avoid the drop but it will be close.

Good luck. Relegation is the worse.


Oh I know.
This reminds me of those conversations I used to have (and my mother used to have) with Decent Brother, on the topic of Sunderland's eternal cycles of promotion, hanging on miraculously by fingernails or football laces to a PL place and escaping relegation by a proverbial whisker, before inevitably succumbing to a disastrous season and relegation the following season, and then, challenging (yet again) for promotion.

He had almost reconciled himself to this depressing but entirely predictable cycle, when Sunderland proceeded to tumble down to the next level, where they still remain, some years later.
 
I find the Darren Drysdale story rather fascinating. He stepped over the line and will be punished for it, but in my opinion referees are totally inadequately protected. The more I watch rugby, the more I think "why on earth do we allow footballers, managers and staff to regularly harass refs in football?" Not to mention the internet bullying.

Bare minimum, there should be a rule banning players from speaking to refs except when spoken to, save the captains. Outside that, confronting a ref/complaining is automatically grounds for a yellow.

This is also why a sin bin would be a good idea, to give yellows more teeth.
 
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I find the Darren Drysdale story rather fascinating. He stepped over the line and will be punished for it, but in my opinion referees are totally inadequately protected. The more I watch rugby, the more I think "why on earth do we allow footballers, managers and staff to regularly harass refs in football?" Not to mention the internet bullying.

Bare minimum, there should be a rule banning players from speaking to refs except when spoken to, save the captains. Outside that, confronting a ref/complaining is automatically grounds for a yellow.

This is also why a sin bin would be a good idea, to give yellows more teeth.
Agree there is a respect in rugby you don’t see in football. Crowding round the ref etc and making the whole thing a spectacle.

We play Spurs Sunday. Hopefully Antonio is fit to play and Kane isn’t!
 
I find the Darren Drysdale story rather fascinating. He stepped over the line and will be punished for it, but in my opinion referees are totally inadequately protected. The more I watch rugby, the more I think "why on earth do we allow footballers, managers and staff to regularly harass refs in football?" Not to mention the internet bullying.

Bare minimum, there should be a rule banning players from speaking to refs except when spoken to, save the captains. Outside that, confronting a ref/complaining is automatically grounds for a yellow.

This is also why a sin bin would be a good idea, to give yellows more teeth.

Agree there is a respect in rugby you don’t see in football. Crowding round the ref etc and making the whole thing a spectacle.

We play Spurs Sunday. Hopefully Antonio is fit to play and Kane isn’t!
Absolutely agree with the pair of you.

Threatening, bullying, crowding and shouting at refs should be totally unacceptable, and is inexcusable as it is.

A sin-bin would be an excellent idea, for a yellow card, - as it would represent an immediate sanction for the player and team who incurs it - as would probihiting - or forbidding - any player other than the captain of the team to address or speak to the ref, unless spoken to, with a penalty of a yellow card for those who transgress.
 
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