Apple fanboy
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I read he’s staying put. It’s silly season in the transfer rumour mill. About 10% of what you read has any truth in it.
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Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
The bigger question (will Harry Kane ever win major silverware with Spurs) has, in my opinion, already been answered. So what happens at his next club is kind of a footnote unless he scores a hat trick in a Champions League final or something (which could happen, I admit).
Real Madrid has become the club where you go to win something after you've invested your fair share of authentic loyalty in another club. I don't blame players for doing that, but it speaks volumes about what Real Madrid is.
Real Madrid has become the club where you go to win something after you've invested your fair share of authentic loyalty in another club. I don't blame players for doing that, but it speaks volumes about what Real Madrid is.
laptech
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If Kane's desire is to win the UCL then he came very close to it in 2019 with the Liverpool v Spurs 2019 UCL final. With the age that Kane is I do not think he is going to be able to do it with Spurs again. Will he get the chance to win the PL with Spurs before his age catches up with him? Again I doubt it. Would he be worried that his England place is in jeopardy is he does not play in the UCL? very possible.
My notion of why players want to play for a team that is in the UCL is not so they can win the UCL, although that would be a bonus, but in my opinion it is so they can protect their national team place because many national team managers of European teams use the UCL as a benchmark for grading how good a player is due to them playing against the top teams in Europe. Therefore, because Spurs is not in the UCL, and the fact Kane is not getting any younger, is Kane thinking that if he is not playing against the best players in Europe, is the England manager Southgate going to drop him for someone that is younger and playing in the UCL?
Also with the numerous sponsorships that players have, how many of those sponsorships have clauses that say the player must be playing in the UCL and/or must be a continued member of the England squad because being a current member of the national team has clout and status. It is much easier to sponsor a product saying '..and with Spurs and England squad member Harry Kane' rather than with '....and with Spurs member Harry Kane'. Sponsors can be brutal with their requirements when wanting to sponsor someone.
My notion of why players want to play for a team that is in the UCL is not so they can win the UCL, although that would be a bonus, but in my opinion it is so they can protect their national team place because many national team managers of European teams use the UCL as a benchmark for grading how good a player is due to them playing against the top teams in Europe. Therefore, because Spurs is not in the UCL, and the fact Kane is not getting any younger, is Kane thinking that if he is not playing against the best players in Europe, is the England manager Southgate going to drop him for someone that is younger and playing in the UCL?
Also with the numerous sponsorships that players have, how many of those sponsorships have clauses that say the player must be playing in the UCL and/or must be a continued member of the England squad because being a current member of the national team has clout and status. It is much easier to sponsor a product saying '..and with Spurs and England squad member Harry Kane' rather than with '....and with Spurs member Harry Kane'. Sponsors can be brutal with their requirements when wanting to sponsor someone.
laptech
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Jude Bellingham sold to Real Madrid. Not a bad return on the investment of the player. Purchased for £25 million and then sold 3 years later for £88.5
www.bbc.co.uk
Real Madrid sign Bellingham on six-year deal
Real Madrid complete the signing of England midfielder Jude Bellingham from Borussia Dortmund on a six-year deal.
www.bbc.co.uk
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
I think you are wrong. Rice never played in the CL. But is probably one of the first names on the England team sheet. I think Kane will have a place in the England squad as long as he keeps scoring.
His motivation is more to do with wanting to win the PL and other trophies and of course money.
Agreed.
It is merely about generating news - filling newspapers and TV and online platforms - because very little is actually happening.
Wait until the transfer window draws to a close; that is when the fun will start as panic sets in, and deadlines have to be met.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
I’d imagine if I was on £100,000 a week and I’ve been working every week for the last 11 months I might be on holiday.
laptech
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Why are you referring to Rice?, this has got nothing to do with how other players get into the England team, it is just about Kane.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Because you said players want to play in a CL playing team to keep their England place. I disagree. Kane could sign for West Ham and still keep his England place.
It’s not a motivation in my opinion. Other things are.
laptech
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Well for the most part, players in the England team could be considered an exception to the rule because England national team is well known for not having many English players of world class quality who play in teams that tend to qualify for the UCL which is why the England manager has to look further a field for his selection of players. My point still stands.
I'm tempted to laugh, but only because of the truth of what you have written.
Most of those about whom we write - footballers, managers, sporting directors etc - are probably enjoying a break.
However, I agree with you re transfers.
For now, apart from a few, obvious, well-telegraphed transfers, most of the coverage is simply hot air to fill column inches (and its TV and online equivalents) in the absence of real news, the football season, or anything actually happening that people can report on.
Now, things will heat up - and become quite tense - and fraught - once the deadline of the shutting of the transfer window looms.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Your opinion. I just don’t agree with it. Winning trophies and money are the two primary reasons people choose the greedy six who are most likely to deliver CL football. International selection doesn’t come into it. Plenty of international players don’t play in the CL for lots of countries.
laptech
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Rubbish!!!. How many times do you see in the football press players worried about their place in the national squad because they are not playing in the UCL? We see it year in year out. Mangers of national teams look towards players who are in teams that play in the UCL. I know Southgate has said it a number of times.
Manchester United is a classic example. They are well known in the industry as one of the clubs that pay the highest wages in the premier league but yet the times they were not in the UCL, despite the fact at the times they had bundles of cash to spend in the transfer market, none of the top players that were available wanted to join United. Why? they pay very high wages, they can guarantee the player first team football but yet none of the top players available in the transfer market wanted to join them, instead they joined teams that were in the UCL.
If players are not playing in the UCL they know their position in the national team is in jeopardy.
Playing in the UCL is also not a guarantee of a place in the national team but it certainly helps. Again look at United, when they have got in the UCL, some of their English players have been overlooked because they the national team manager considered them not good enough. There is a lot of factors that determine who gets to play in the national team and being in a team that is in the UCL most certainly helps. If money was everything all the best players would have gone to United because they pay the best wages. So why haven't they? Money is not everything to a player, especially when they know they are good enough to play for the national team. They need to be seen to be playing constantly and against the best players and that means being in the UCL.
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laptech
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I also forgot to mention, look at the Frenkie De Jong debacle. United were eventually prepared to give Barcelona the transfer fee, play with a manager he has worked with before, they could better his wages but what is the one thing they could not give him? yep, UCL football so what does De Jong do, makes all the excuses under the sun to stay are Barcelona. Oh and remember, De Jong did initially say he wanted to move to United when they became interested in him.
And again looking at Rice, in my opinion the only reason why Rice is in the team is because there is no one in any of the PL teams that are in the UCL who has an English player better than him but I bet you that as soon as one of the clubs that is in the UCL has an English player that plays in the same position as Rice, Rice knows his position will be under threat because the national team manager will put his focus on the English player playing in the UCL.
And again looking at Rice, in my opinion the only reason why Rice is in the team is because there is no one in any of the PL teams that are in the UCL who has an English player better than him but I bet you that as soon as one of the clubs that is in the UCL has an English player that plays in the same position as Rice, Rice knows his position will be under threat because the national team manager will put his focus on the English player playing in the UCL.
Silencio
macrumors 68040
Manchester is also seen as a less desirable place to live for footballers and their families. It's still not viewed as a big, international city by many, and the weather is, to put it charitably, not great. I always thought that was one reason United always had to pay above the odds for players. London is much more attractive for a rich footballer with a family, to say nothing of Madrid or Barcelona.
laptech
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Location can matter in many cases BUT it can also come down to money as well. If Manchester clubs are going to pay double the wage of what a London club, Madrid or Barcelona would offer, a player is going to give it some serious thought. It is no different to many other types of employment. Be offered a job in a mediocre location but with an excellent wage or a job in a very nice location but on a mediocre wage.
There is a post in here that is a good example. Someone mentioned about players playing in an Arab country earning mega money but their wives were not happy and wanted out.
AlphaMirage
macrumors newbie
I read news that West Ham United have rejected an opening offer totalling £90 million from Arsenal for Declan Rice, sources have told ESPN. Why would a team like West ham reject 90 mil pound, wow.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Because he has a two year contract and we want £120 million or £100 plus a player.
daneoni
macrumors G5
English Tax. If Jude Bellingham is worth £100m and younger. Not convinced Rice is worth anywhere near £120m
Same reason Chelsea think Mount is worth £75m (he isn't)
English tax
Meanwhile, it looks like Caicedo is headed to Chelsea to partner Fernandez. If Chelsea sign a good forward that becomes a very formidable team for the next few seasons.
Same reason Chelsea think Mount is worth £75m (he isn't)
English tax
Meanwhile, it looks like Caicedo is headed to Chelsea to partner Fernandez. If Chelsea sign a good forward that becomes a very formidable team for the next few seasons.
Silencio
macrumors 68040
With the uncertainty about United's ownership still unresolved, I'm resigned to them missing out on much of the transfer market this summer. Kim Min-jae going to Bayern and Caidedo going to Chelsea are two big misses, even if they don't fill the two most acute holes in the United squad: a #1 and a #9. Interestingly, those are also Chelsea's two most glaring needs, a fact that does not fill me with optimism.
laptech
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The thing is, not everything is about money, many players do have consciences and if not them, their families might do and thus there is a potential of players not wanting to work for an employer who has direct links to a country that has continued human rights abuses. Players might not want to work with Qatar owners, players might not want to work with Ratcliffe, one of them will be the new owners and until it is announced who the new owners will be I think United will seriously struggle to sign anyone.
AlphaMirage
macrumors newbie
I think its still too early for Messi to go MLS. He can still play at the very highest level. Does MLS pay higher than Europe?
daneoni
macrumors G5
For Messi they will. Not so much the rest.
He wanted to return to Barca but they don't have money. And i don't think anyone in the EPL or other leagues can afford him in terms of wages and team composition
Part of the reason he did well in the Argentine team was because he had competent midfielders and defenders around him. So he could do what he wanted.
He wanted to return to Barca but they don't have money. And i don't think anyone in the EPL or other leagues can afford him in terms of wages and team composition
Part of the reason he did well in the Argentine team was because he had competent midfielders and defenders around him. So he could do what he wanted.
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
Armenia's shock 4-2 Nations League win over Wales included two goals and an assist from Columbus No. 10 Lucas Zelarayan. Wales are in decline right now but it was still a big result for Armenia and good to see Zelarayan, who is Argentinian but eligible to play for Armenia through his father, finally get a couple goals in international play. He was first called up in 2018 but a few untimely injuries have limited his minutes in an Armenia shirt.
We could have used him in our 1-1 draw with NYCFC over the weekend though...with him on the pitch that probably would have been 3 points for CBus.
MLS will never be able to compete in pure financial terms, but they are not actually trying to do that. I disagree with a lot of things the league does, but at least their financial model doesn't involve exposing themselves and MLS clubs to the risk of bankruptcy to attract talent.
We could have used him in our 1-1 draw with NYCFC over the weekend though...with him on the pitch that probably would have been 3 points for CBus.
MLS offers something unique. If you go by team budgets, the clubs are in the League One - Championship range, but the league controls costs, transfers, and redistribution of revenues. Thus the 'single entity' model. It is also the top tier in the US. So the league can offer a small number of superstars a big wage (albeit not as big as the Middle Eastern teams), US residency, individual chartered travel to away matches, and promotion of their personal brand in one of the biggest sports markets on the planet.
MLS will never be able to compete in pure financial terms, but they are not actually trying to do that. I disagree with a lot of things the league does, but at least their financial model doesn't involve exposing themselves and MLS clubs to the risk of bankruptcy to attract talent.