I agree Rice has handled himself with dignity throughout this transfer. I think he’ll do well for you in Europe’s most expensive team.
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Yes, he has.
An impressive humna being as well as an excellent player.
Oooooh.
With FFP (Manchester City with over 100 transgressions), - I am not entirely sure of the accuracy of their stats.
The key thing is that (we can hope) that the day of asinine transfers (spending a fortune on someone such as Nicolas Pepe, for example, or Willian from Chelsea) is over for Arsenal, and that nowadays such purchases do not come without considerable thought and planning.
Now, personally, I don't mind the club spending enormous sums on players as long as the deal has been thoughtfully put together, with thought, research, planning, rather than a last minute panic purchase.
By all accounts, the courting and wooing of Declan Rice (by Mikel Arteta) has taken place over the past six months or longer; both parties ot the agreement had a lot of time to think, to get to know one another, to ask questions, to set conditions, and so on.
The contrast with the frenzied (and ultimately futile) pursuit of Mudryk is telling.
Having said that, given Chelsea's mad splurges last season (£660 million splurged and spent in one season alone, not counting earlier extravagances), I am curious to learn where they fall on that particular chart.
So...with the WWC about to kick off here in NZ, the Football Ferns (NZ WNT) are asking for Pay Parity.
I'd argue that they don't deserve to be paid what the Men's National Team (All Whites) are paid as they don't generate the same kind of income.
They're in the entertainment industry and they need to cover the cost of their outgoings to a certain degree.
Temuera Morrison (Boba Fett for the uninitiated) is famous in NZ. But as he's in the entertainment industry, he'd be a fool to fight for pay parity with the likes of Brad Pitt, on the basis that they do the same job.
He'd get no work. Brad's a bankable name. Tem's not.
So...the USWNT regularly attract large crowds and TV audiences, as do the Matildas from Aussie and the Lionesses from England. I'd say they all should be getting paid pretty well for what they do. Likewise the women that play in the WUCL and the like.
But come on. Pay Party for a team that can barely muster a crowd at their home games, other than family and a few die-hard fans? The All Whites barely make it to over 15k crowds at home. They don't deserve to be paid a fortune. The Ferns are even worse with their average attendances.
This isn't a sexist rant nor a comment on the quality on offer in the women's game - I believe some of the best football being played is by good women's teams - the WWC should be exciting to watch on TV (I'm not going to any games as the good tickets (it's mid winter and there's barely been a fine and dry day for months) are too expensive).
The fact remains though - pay parity doesn't really work in football unless you are drawing the crowds to generate income. If you don't entertain (and the Football Ferns haven't been very entertaining for a while now) you can't expect to be paid as much as those who do (although in saying that, half the All Whites games have been pretty dull of late too).
I'd argue that they don't deserve to be paid what the Men's National Team (All Whites) are paid as they don't generate the same kind of income.
They're in the entertainment industry and they need to cover the cost of their outgoings to a certain degree.
Temuera Morrison (Boba Fett for the uninitiated) is famous in NZ. But as he's in the entertainment industry, he'd be a fool to fight for pay parity with the likes of Brad Pitt, on the basis that they do the same job.
He'd get no work. Brad's a bankable name. Tem's not.
So...the USWNT regularly attract large crowds and TV audiences, as do the Matildas from Aussie and the Lionesses from England. I'd say they all should be getting paid pretty well for what they do. Likewise the women that play in the WUCL and the like.
But come on. Pay Party for a team that can barely muster a crowd at their home games, other than family and a few die-hard fans? The All Whites barely make it to over 15k crowds at home. They don't deserve to be paid a fortune. The Ferns are even worse with their average attendances.
This isn't a sexist rant nor a comment on the quality on offer in the women's game - I believe some of the best football being played is by good women's teams - the WWC should be exciting to watch on TV (I'm not going to any games as the good tickets (it's mid winter and there's barely been a fine and dry day for months) are too expensive).
The fact remains though - pay parity doesn't really work in football unless you are drawing the crowds to generate income. If you don't entertain (and the Football Ferns haven't been very entertaining for a while now) you can't expect to be paid as much as those who do (although in saying that, half the All Whites games have been pretty dull of late too).
I think they should be paid the same. Just don’t increase the women’s pay.
Just reduce the men’s!
Just reduce the men’s!
I think the issue with WWC is that whilst others see the game as entertainment and thus their value is based on their entertainment worth, the players do not view it like that because to them it is their job, they are being employed to kick a ball around, no different to the men. Both play the same time of minutes on the football pitch, they train the same hours, put in the same workload and as we all know, due to equality laws in many many countries, when a woman and a man does exactly the same job with the same job responsibilities, both should initially be paid the same wage because they are doing exactly the same job.
If a country pays their men and women to represent their country in a world cup then they should be paid the same in my opinion. What I mean by that is that there should be a basic payment for doing the same job BUT then there are extra payments that can be added on based on 'entertainment value'. If the men are more entertaining than the women they they get theses extra payments BUT both the men and women should receive exactly the same 'basic' amount to begin with.
This only works when asked to play for your country. My suggestion is not intended to work with leagues.
Hearing we have offered to take Maguire on loan which Manchester United have rejected.
Also hearing Antonio being linked with Stevie G’s sportswashing project.
Hope he turns them down flat!
Also hearing Antonio being linked with Stevie G’s sportswashing project.
Hope he turns them down flat!
I imagine that if the club committed to paying his - that is, Maguire's - (increased) wages, a loan move could be arranged relatively easily.
Re Maguire himself, yes, he can stay at Manchester United, exceptionally well paid and not seriously considered for selection as a member of the team, but that will hurt his international prospects, his chances of retaining his place with England - to secure that, he needs to keep playing football - and will also almost certainly further affect - and erode - whatever value he still retains for when Manchester United do manage to sell him.
What do you lot make of Arsenals new away kit? just read about it today. It looks awful in my opinion.
metro.co.uk
Arsenal and adidas explain inspiration behind controversial new away kit
It has certainly divided opinion.
metro.co.uk
Maguire only needs to keep his England place if there are clauses in his sponsorships to do so, otherwise he can just sit things out, get a nice weekly wage and end his contract with a huge pile of money in his bank account.
If it looked good it still wouldn't be proper kit for Arsenal.What do you lot make of Arsenals new away kit? just read about it today. It looks awful in my opinion.
Arsenal and adidas explain inspiration behind controversial new away kit
It has certainly divided opinion.
And it doesn't look good, quite the opposite, it is just plain ridiculous.
Maybe they can use the same excuse United once did with one of their away kits 'The players cannot see one another' lol
Could be that Arsenals away kit will clash with the green colour of the pitch lol.
Hideous.What do you lot make of Arsenals new away kit? just read about it today. It looks awful in my opinion.
Arsenal and adidas explain inspiration behind controversial new away kit
It has certainly divided opinion.
Agree.
Black and gold is the classic away kit for Arsenal, (last season's version was fine) and some version of that - that is somehow classy, elegant, timeless - is what I would like to see the team wear when playing away from home.
His own personal and professional ambitions may motivate him, also.
To reduce the professional ambition of all footballers to their pleasure upon receiving a bloated weekly wage packet is neither true nor fair.
You have already written this several times; I think that Maguire's desire to retain his England place may be motivated by more than clauses in his sponsorship deals.
CR7 is taking his role as Saudi's shill/ambassador very seriously with his latest comments
The problem isn't the colour but the patterns. I get its a nod to islington but it just looks messy and confusing.What do you lot make of Arsenals new away kit? just read about it today. It looks awful in my opinion.
TheArsenal and adidas explain inspiration behind controversial new away kit
It has certainly divided opinion.
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Meanwhile, Chelsea have seen their new bid (£70m+) for Caicedo rejected. Not really sure what they're playing at, since Arsenal came in with £75m in Jan, before his new contract, and it was rejected. So why they think they can get away with less, when everybody knows the amount of money they've made from transfers. is beyond me.
Unfortunately Arsenal have inflated the market. So now everyone wants £100m for their players.
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Ugh.
Just ugh.
Agreed.
And it is ugly, just ugly.
Just trying it out, I would imagine, even when they know (they must know) that such a bid would not be seriously entertained.
Not just Arsenal (and, for that matter, West Ham), but - to my mind - Chelsea's mad splurge of a spending spree during last season's winter window has also contributed to this dynamic.
The only motivation he could possibly have for wanting to keep his England place is Euro 2024 because his contract ends in 2025 and considering he only played 8 games this season gone I highly doubt ETH is going to keep him around unless his main choice defenders get injured, thus Maguire's match time is going to be severely limited at United. The England manager will want players who are regularly playing and that is not currently happening with Maguire therefore in my opinion if he had desire to keep his place in the England squad he would need to move to a club now that can give him regular game time. The fact he has not done so with Euro 2024 looming tells me that he does not have the desire to keep his England place but to see out his United contract getting a nice weekly pay check. Because lets face it, players know if they are not getting regular game time they know their England place will be under threat and Maguire has currently shown no interest in moving to a club that can give him regular game time.
This is why I keep saying he is just happy to sit at the club and get his weekly wage because only getting 8 games season gone should have been a warning to Maguire that he does not feature regularly in ETH squad and knowing being in the England team means you need to get regular game time to keep your place, Maguire has done nothing to show he wants to move to a club that can give him regular game time thus he must not be too overly concerned that his England position is under threat, ergo his desire cannot be there. That's how I see it.
Agreed. I don’t think any of us are close enough to know what motivates an individual.
In this case money motivates Maguire, not the desire to play regular football to protect his England place.
£35m Man Utd star demands huge pay off to ‘quit’ for Prem rivals after loan-to-buy bid is snubbed
According to reports, Harry Maguire wants his Man Utd contract to be paid up if he is to leave the Premier League giants this summer.
Life's complicated and humans are complex beings. While it can be satisfying to believe one has a definitive take on things, one should take media reports with a pinch of salt, and maybe wait and see how things unfold. In Harry Maguire's case, there are a number of factors for him to consider, for his agent to consider, and for Manchester United's manager to consider, and it remains to be seen how this will conclude. Perhaps he'll stay and try to 'prove himself' once more at United. Or stay to enjoy a highly paid 'comfortable' life, as laptech repeatedly asserts. Or, of course, head off for a new challenge. I believe that options one and three are the more likely due to those aforementioned complexities, but that's merely my personal take on things. We'll find out soon enough.
Possibly true, but too much of the 'evidence' is speculative. Man Utd made a rod for their own back when they paid so much for him, creating huge expectations and also making him harder to move on if things didn't pan out. Also, I think people put too much stock in the idea that players should make big financial sacrifices to maintain their England place. Maguire and his agent might be weighing the chance to pull on an England shirt and get knocked out in the semis again against seeing out his contract and earning enough in a few short seasons to give his grandchildren a comfortable retirement.
Why do clubs that fire managers every two seasons give players 7-year contracts? It pretty much guarantees this sort of quandary.
Excellent post.
Ah, yes.
An excellent and important distinction and an important question, one that needs to be asked of the game, or that the game needs to ask of itself.
However, unfortunately, the bleak but gloomy answer that suggests itself is that it is considerably easier (for a club) to fire one person (a manager, a coach) than to fire the eleven - or fifteen - underperforming yet overpaid individuals who comprise the team or squad.
Well if he signs for a Saudi club we will know that to be the case. But again reports aren’t really the same as facts.In this case money motivates Maguire, not the desire to play regular football to protect his England place.
£35m Man Utd star demands huge pay off to ‘quit’ for Prem rivals after loan-to-buy bid is snubbed
According to reports, Harry Maguire wants his Man Utd contract to be paid up if he is to leave the Premier League giants this summer.uk.yahoo.com
Also I’m not defending him. Just not condemning a man based on media coverage and speculation.
He maybe as greedy as the next person. Or he could have different motives.
Time will tell.
You have seen Southgate's selections in the past, right? He doesn't often select on merit. It's mostly jobs for the boys and reputation speaks far more loudly than current form, for him.
With that said, it's a formula that has been (at least in part) working.