His scenario is niche. Most people I know upgrade yearly or every other year.

You would think so right.

His scenario is niche. Most people I know upgrade yearly or every other year.
No, I wouldn’t recommend it. If he wants to keep his phone for several years, then get the base 17. Not trying to sound elitist, but I’d say he should get the best value phone if he’s not upgrading until the next decade.For me it’s crazy that people are trying to dismiss any concerns people might have with things like the battery. I have an IPad Pro from 2021 and I can take it off the charger at 100% and literally watch the life drain out of it in a few hours, even though Apple says my battery capacity is above 80%. My coworker is upgrading to an 17 Pro this year from an IPhone 11 Plus. He keeps his phone for 6 to 7 years. Would you personally recommend an Air to someone in this same scenario knowing that batteries degrade over years time.
I upgrade every 6-7 years. I get the best model available at that time. I get a Pro Max, and why go with base models or cheaper ones if you upgrade every 6+ years. If Promax is heavy go for Pro or Air.![]()
You would think so right.![]()
No, I wouldn’t recommend it. If he wants to keep his phone for several years, then get the base 17. Not trying to sound elitist, but I’d say he should get the best value phone if he’s not upgrading until the next decade.
Great your local retailer is a gauge for apple sales. That’s amazing! Can I get his number. So I can make money in the market.
If it’s a waste of time, why are you posting in it?OP,
Why are you spending so much time focusing on what other people here and elsewhere are buying and what is being said about the Air? All that matters is how you feel about your own purchase and use. The Air doesn't need defending. Your thread is a waste of time.
People buy and use what they want. It doesn't have to make sense to you, me, or anyone else. Life is too short to argue over something so meaningless as the Air.
For me it’s crazy that people are trying to dismiss any concerns people might have with things like the battery. I have an IPad Pro from 2021 and I can take it off the charger at 100% and literally watch the life drain out of it in a few hours, even though Apple says my battery capacity is above 80%. My coworker is upgrading to an 17 Pro this year from an IPhone 11 Plus. He keeps his phone for 6 to 7 years. Would you personally recommend an Air to someone in this same scenario knowing that batteries degrade over years time.
I posted to give you a wake up call. I see you aren't open to that. Carry on.If it’s a waste of time, why are you posting in it?![]()
Maybe you could upgrade more often with the money saved from buying a base model? I don’t know, I don’t sell the phones so I don’t care what people buy, but I just wouldn’t recommend the Air to someone who buys a phone once every 5+ years.I upgrade every 6-7 years. I get the best model available at that time. I get a Pro Max, and why go with base models or cheaper ones if you upgrade every 6+ years. If Promax is heavy go for Pro or Air.
Base model is no good for me, except it’s catching up slowly. I upgraded from 7 plus to 13 PM. It was amazing, 13 base model wasn’t close to Pro max in battery life or camera. I will probably upgrade to iPhone 20 line. Hoping PM can get lighter. If I was in the market for base model and Air, it would be a close comparison.Maybe you could upgrade more often with the money saved from buying a base model? I don’t know, I don’t sell the phones so I don’t care what people buy, but I just wouldn’t recommend the Air to someone who buys a phone once every 5+ years.
I already know the strong suit of the Air is the design and novelty, not longevity.
Yes, especially the comments that make out like the Air shouldn’t even exist. It’s childish. The Air is a great addition to the iPhone lineup and this year was the perfect option for me. The battery life is sufficient for my needs, I don’t care about the camera as I have a Nikon Z6II with several lenses, and the single speaker does what I need it to do (a second speaker would be nice for sure but it’s not even close to a dealbreaker). The Air works for me and my needs; for those who it doesn’t, there are other options to choose from. Apple likely wouldn’t have got a purchase from me this year if they hadn’t introduced the Air as I’m not sure I would have bothered upgrading to the 17 Pro line from my 14PM.I’ve also noticed a lot of hate, and it feels forced. It mainly comes from people who were never even considering buying the Air in the first place. That’s totally fine, but for some reason many of them just can’t seem to understand that there are other use cases besides their own, and that some people genuinely value lightness and thinness over performance and cameras. Yet for some reason, they treat their own needs and use cases as the only valid ones.
I’m going to give the 17P a go when its back in stock locally.You sticking with the 16 pro?
People saw “compromise” probably because they compared it with other 17 lineup, where its battery is the smallest - even though its still bigger than 16. Air looks “bad” in comparison even though not bad phone at all.My personal opinion is... the "compromises" are not actual compromises. Air is basically a "super" version of the iPhone 6 from a decade ago. Back when we used to have thinner and lighter phones. We have actually "compromised" on thickness all in the name of more battery life and more cameras. Sort of like going backward too far into the early 2000s when we had bricks for cell phones.
I guess some are okay with that but I've always thought for decades that as technology progresses, we should get thinner, lighter and more capable devices. But we've hit a plateau. We can either go backward with thickness and weight to try and have more capabilities or we can have thin and light with less capabilities. Looks like the "thicker and more cameras" camp is winning in reality.
That is fine, but I think a lot of younger folks forget Apple's golden years were with thinner, lighter and smaller phones that barely lasted through just one day. The cameras were just workable back then. Now people get a single 48MP sensor and they're thinking "it's not enough", which is comical to me.
It’s called a Pro Max.It’s such an amazing phone. It’s an ultrawide camera, second speaker and a couple hours of battery away from being essentially perfect.
What is interesting is that I see more threads and posts of people saying they love their Air and don’t understand the hate more than I see any actual hate for the device.I had a 17 Pro Max delivered on launch day, but it’s 2 weeks later and I had to return it because of the speaker noise issue when charging. That was a little too disappointing to keep the device. While I still think the Pro/Pro Max is the “best” iPhone you can buy, the Air just feels so much better to use.
I really wanted to like the Pro Max, because it is such a beast of a phone and I am ordinarily a spec chaser. Thermals, battery, cameras, performance, it was all top of the line. I would have kept it if it wasn’t for the speaker issue.
Of course this is subjective, but the Pro Max does not seem to be designed for use with one hand. I know some people can only use it with two hands. It’s doable, manageable, but not pleasant. I was often using it flat on a table and hunching over to face the display, almost like it was a mini tablet.
The design of the Pros this year was also pretty disappointing, for someone who has always appreciated the elegant, minimalist design of Apple products. I wouldn’t have wanted to use it without a case. Not because of “scratchgate” or “aluminum sucks” but the glass cutout on the back is really what bothered me. I wish they could have color matched the glass better on the Silver model or made the unibody in a different way.
The Air on the other hand is so sleek, the Space Black is so classy and this phone is just beautiful. I realized I really don’t need all the cameras and battery life on the Pro Max. All I do nowadays is text, call, email, and browse the web, barely taking photos here and there.
The Air is simply a little joy to use for this average use case. I don’t understand why so many people are trying to hate on this phone and point out every single one of its flaws over and over. I think this is actually a sign that Apple did something unique and new, which usually bothers people who are used to seeing more of the same.
I can't see the point myself not enough difference. Going to max sure, or air but that seems backwards except for extra screen size.I’m going to give the 17P a go when its back in stock locally.
Then we’ll see.
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Nobody should expect Air to sell more than base and Pro. So stop using “data” to complain. The same was for Plus and mini, they are for a smaller percentage of usersis it forced?
However a lot of people are saying it has no battery and that therefore nobody should buy it. Or that because it only has one camera, it’s basically useless.There's discussion but I'm not seeing much hate. Everyone pretty much agrees it's lovely to look at and hold but that it has compromises to achieve it. People disagree on how much those compromises affect them. That's about it
Why go for cheaper models. If the base phone has all the functionality you need, whyspend significntly more moneyfor functiona you don’t need? Your personal upgrade timeline is irrelevant to that.I upgrade every 6-7 years. I get the best model available at that time. I get a Pro Max, and why go with base models or cheaper ones if you upgrade every 6+ years. If Promax is heavy go for Pro or Air.