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Any thoughts about the 2023 performance hybrids coming from Toyota and Lexus? I really like hybrids, but also sharp handling and good power. The new Crown and RX will offer Hybrid trims with good acceleration, handling and conventional multi speed automatics.
 
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2012 Fiat 500 today, around the neighborhood driving, starts, starts, starts, won’t start for the period of 2 hours, multiple attempts, can hear an electric hum, everything lights up, the starter motor does not even try to turn over. Ammeter shows the batter at 12.5 volts. Come back several hours later and it starts as if never happened.

Any guesses? 🙂

Could there be something the heated up, but then cooled off? Could this be a one time occurrence or do I now have an unreliable car? 🤔
 
Huntn said:

2012 Fiat 500 today, around the neighborhood driving, starts, starts, starts, won’t start for the period of 2 hours, multiple attempts, can hear an electric hum, everything lights up, the starter motor does not even try to turn over. Ammeter shows the batter at 12.5 volts. Come back several hours later and it starts as if never happened.

Any guesses? 🙂

Could there be something the heated up, but then cooled off? Could this be a one time occurrence or do I now have an unreliable car? 🤔
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Had this exact same issue on an old Renault 11. Changed just about everything. Called out the RAC (it was always fine by the time they got there).
Took it to the garage, it was fu e there as well.
Eventually I got lucky with the RAC and he got there in time for it still to be warm and not working.
Turned out to be some sensor on the flywheel. Cheap fix. But I’d already replaced most of the starting system by then.
 
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barbu said:
My 66 coupe, base model i6 200. Not sure if I posted it before. I’m pleased how it’s come along, I’ve had to fix almost every part of this beast. But it’s been very reliable as a summer daily since I got it sorted. I’ve put on a lot of miles this year, including an 800km road trip.
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Fantastic! I also own a '66, same base model. It's a project car, inherited when my father-in-law passed away in 2019. I absolutely LOVE the color of yours. I may msg you once we dig into the project next summer. It's been sitting at a friends place since summer of 2020. I hope to make mine a daily driver, like yours, or at least a very used weekend ride!
 
maflynn said:
The bottom line, is I got a Colorado, Z71 which is the higher end trim level, with just about every feature GM offers.
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My lease is coming to an end, and while I leased this on Halloween, I'm mere months away from the lease ending.

In prior leases I started the ball rolling about 6 months before it ended, and likewise I'm doing the same. Shockingly times have changed. Back when I replaced my older truck with the Z71, dealerships were heavily incentivizing their inventory. I went from the lowest trim level to nearly the highest AND lowering my payment.

Just looking at new Colorado the lease payments - they appear to be nearly double what I'm paying now. As I stated in the earlier post above, its my intention to stop leasing and it seems circumstances are directing me to that end result.

Current used truck prices for Z71 appear to be in the mid 30s where my lease buy out is mid 20s
 
maflynn said:
My lease is coming to an end, and while I leased this on Halloween, I'm mere months away from the lease ending.

In prior leases I started the ball rolling about 6 months before it ended, and likewise I'm doing the same. Shockingly times have changed. Back when I replaced my older truck with the Z71, dealerships were heavily incentivizing their inventory. I went from the lowest trim level to nearly the highest AND lowering my payment.

Just looking at new Colorado the lease payments - they appear to be nearly double what I'm paying now. As I stated in the earlier post above, its my intention to stop leasing and it seems circumstances are directing me to that end result.

Current used truck prices for Z71 appear to be in the mid 30s where my lease buy out is mid 20s
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If you are happy with your current vehicle and haven't noticed any major issues that would cause you to walk away, it might be the time to buy out. Especially if you took care of it, and it is worth more than the buyout. Prices of cars are very high now.
 
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maflynn said:
That's the direction I'm heading in. I'll wait until the end of the lease and then buy it out.
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You can pick up a new Model 3 for $43k, if you purchase before end of March? you get the $7500 federal rebate. So new car for about $35,500. No oil changes, no brake pads, no transmission fluid changes, no coolant flushes, no more gas stations!
 
960design said:
You can pick up a new Model 3 for $43k, if you purchase before end of March? you get the $7500 federal rebate. So new car for about $35,500. No oil changes, no brake pads, no transmission fluid changes, no coolant flushes, no more gas stations!
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No quality either. Camera failures, random software glitches everywhere. Rattling hatches and panels made of paper.

Tesla quality is a disaster.
 
barbu said:
My 66 coupe, base model i6 200. Not sure if I posted it before. I’m pleased how it’s come along, I’ve had to fix almost every part of this beast. But it’s been very reliable as a summer daily since I got it sorted. I’ve put on a lot of miles this year, including an 800km road trip.

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Looks like a 300 inline-6 motor. Lots of room around the motor, and easy to work on. I drove a F-150 (same motor) for several years. Manual transmission with the shifter on the floor, 4WD. Great truck (reliable), but it liked to drink a little too much fuel if driven past 60 MPH.
 
It’s a really very impressive bit of kit , the detailing is ridiculous in a wonderful way 😎

Japanese , what do you expect ?

Maybe next one to get is the Lexus LFA ?
 
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Dragonmount said:
No quality either. Camera failures, random software glitches everywhere. Rattling hatches and panels made of paper.

Tesla quality is a disaster.
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Personal experience?

My tesla (2022 M3LR) is fantastic, no issues whatsoever. I was a car hauler in the old days, so used to inspecting vehicles for pickup. When I picked up the Tesla, the only thing I noticed were two "scuffs" that turned out to be glue from the delivery wrap. Tesla quickly fixed it. I would say on par with the previous Cadillac CTS I had, except more fun. Owned this one for about 6-7 months and still going strong. No camera failures or rattling panels/hatches. Everyone that rides in it seems fairly impressed. It is not a Porsche 911, but probably the best car you can get for $35,500 right now. Friend picked up a new C8 (70th anniversary edition), "just so he could keep up".

The auto drive will momentarily brake pretty hard on the occasional bridge overpass shadow on a rising hill, and when cars make the left turn and slowly cross the road. You quickly get used to it and hover your foot over the gas and just a light tap disengages the braking. Definitely, very minor, considering the long drives (6+ hours) are completely relaxing. The car, just taking a bit of the steering control, makes a huge difference in how much easier the drive becomes. Extremely awesome in any stop and go traffic on the highway due to a break down or minor crash.
 
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960design said:
Personal experience?

My tesla (2022 M3LR) is fantastic, no issues whatsoever. I was a car hauler in the old days, so used to inspecting vehicles for pickup. When I picked up the Tesla, the only thing I noticed were two "scuffs" that turned out to be glue from the delivery wrap. Tesla quickly fixed it. I would say on par with the previous Cadillac CTS I had, except more fun. Owned this one for about 6-7 months and still going strong. No camera failures or rattling panels/hatches. Everyone that rides in it seems fairly impressed. It is not a Porsche 911, but probably the best car you can get for $35,500 right now. Friend picked up a new C8 (70th anniversary edition), "just so he could keep up".

The auto drive will momentarily brake pretty hard on the occasional bridge overpass shadow on a rising hill, and when cars make the left turn and slowly cross the road. You quickly get used to it and hover your foot over the gas and just a light tap disengages the braking. Definitely, very minor, considering the long drives (6+ hours) are completely relaxing. The car, just taking a bit of the steering control, makes a huge difference in how much easier the drive becomes. Extremely awesome in any stop and go traffic on the highway due to a break down or minor crash.
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I have not had any issues with the build quality of my 2019 Model 3 LR. My sister also has a 2019 Model 3 LR, with no build issues. My last 3 German cars had constant rattles/squeaks (arm rests, glove boxes, seats, seat springs) that you could hear over the loud engines.

When people complain about wind/tire/interior noises, they seem to forget that Tesla's are almost silent, so you are going to hear any slight noises because there isn't a loud engine covering it up.
 
Dragonmount said:
2020, 2021
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I've heard this from people with 2018 and earlier, not so much for 2019+. So, this is different. The other thing is most people I hear this from are Model S/X owners, not so much from 3/Y. I have heard of issues on delivery that were immediately (or within one mobile/service). I think Tesla invested most of their production into the 3/Y which makes sense.

Tesla has gone from nothing to majority problem free vehicles in just about 10 years. No other manufacture (that I know of) has done that, not even the Japanese brands. In the 70s Honda/Toyota were garbage quality, but by the late 80's-90's they became what they are today (both were founded pre/immediately post WWII). The Korean brands are the same, it took a while to become reliable.

In the US in 2022 Tesla sold more cars than BMW, MB, and Audi. The top selling 2 vehicles in CA for 2022 were Tesla Model 3 and Model Y, knocking off Toyota. CA is the #1 market for cars. For all of these sales, and repeat buyers, it is clear that a majority of Tesla owners are happy with the product.

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