I coaxed Mojave (10.14) onto mine. Can't live without Dark Mode anymore
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The End Of TenFourFox
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I coaxed Mojave (10.14) onto mine. Can't live without Dark Mode anymore
With you on the Dark mode.
I did try to get Sierra on it the week it launched as research. They'd removed hardware support for a few bits that stopped it booting in it's tracks, think it was related to USB and WiFi/Bluetooth off the top off my head.
Mine happily runs all it needs to on 10.11. It's got enough support to run most things as a backup machine when I don't have the rMBP to hand for the moment, but it's days are numbered. No interest in forcing something newer on that's a suboptimal experience and requires messing around patching everytime there's an update.
Anyway, back to the topic of TFF.
10.11 is still a liveable OS for the most part in 2021, although increasingly I'm finding software that needs 10.12, 10.13, or 10.14. I stuck with 10.13 for a while mostly for familiarity across a few computers that didn't officially support anything newer(including my MP 5,1, which I don't consider Mojave compatible since some "heavy" tasks that can use its raw processing power and for which I use it require real, not virtualized, Snow Leopard and I can't boot both SL and Mojave without changing GPUs every time).
Still, though, 10.14 is a really solid OS and I'd be perfectly content to have extended support and use it as my main OS. Now that my main computer is an M1, that will never be an option, but it would be nice to think about. Mojave has enough slick new features to make it interesting but still keeps a lot of the legacy compatibiltiy that I like having. I don't see my MBP 9,1 going anywhere anytime soon since it's still fast for a lot of the stuff I do on it and there's a lot I can do on it that's physically impossible on my M1.
I actually held out on 10.9 for a while because I hated the "flat" Yosemite+ UI. I got drug kicking and screaming around about 10.13 when my work switched to Office365 and I needed 10.11 or newer for Mail to talk to their servers(up until then, I could actually still use Mail in 10.5 with their on-site Exchange servers). At my former job, the MP 1,1/2,1 on my desk(those of you who have played with/used those systems know why I call it that) ran 10.9 up until I left-in fact it's still in storage running that. If I ever get it out, I need to take it to 10.11, but at the time I could get along with 365 webmail. Messages quit working a while ago, but considering what I mostly did on that system, I really wasn't missing a lot. I really think those computers have the processing power to go to 10.13 or 10.14 and of course you could shove a Metal GPU into one-they are just stuck at 10.11 because the CPUs don't support SSE4.
Still, though, 10.14 is a really solid OS and I'd be perfectly content to have extended support and use it as my main OS. Now that my main computer is an M1, that will never be an option, but it would be nice to think about. Mojave has enough slick new features to make it interesting but still keeps a lot of the legacy compatibiltiy that I like having. I don't see my MBP 9,1 going anywhere anytime soon since it's still fast for a lot of the stuff I do on it and there's a lot I can do on it that's physically impossible on my M1.
I actually held out on 10.9 for a while because I hated the "flat" Yosemite+ UI. I got drug kicking and screaming around about 10.13 when my work switched to Office365 and I needed 10.11 or newer for Mail to talk to their servers(up until then, I could actually still use Mail in 10.5 with their on-site Exchange servers). At my former job, the MP 1,1/2,1 on my desk(those of you who have played with/used those systems know why I call it that) ran 10.9 up until I left-in fact it's still in storage running that. If I ever get it out, I need to take it to 10.11, but at the time I could get along with 365 webmail. Messages quit working a while ago, but considering what I mostly did on that system, I really wasn't missing a lot. I really think those computers have the processing power to go to 10.13 or 10.14 and of course you could shove a Metal GPU into one-they are just stuck at 10.11 because the CPUs don't support SSE4.
All I know is that when we switched, it absolutely refused to work. I had an IT guy there at one point and he couldn't finesse it into working either. I'm no longer at that job so can't say exactly what was going on.
I can give it a try with 365 at my current job and see if it's different.
I mean, only try if you're interested in running 10.9, and this is the blocker. But if that was something you wanted, I think there's a good chance we could get it working over in the Early Intel forum. If it doesn't just connect out of the box (as my company's O365 does), I'd probably start with my standard https fix.
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I might tinker with it sometime as I like 10.9 still.
That was about 3 years ago that it happened at my work, and at the time 10.9 otherwise still had a lot of software support to the point that I was okay using it as my main OS. Enough software has fallen off that I'm not sure I'd want to do it more than as a curiosity, but I will pull out something running 10.9 and see what happens. There's still a 10.9 partition on my MBP 9,1, and I'm almost positive that's what's on my MBA 2,1.
The computer I mentioned above is my MP 1,1/2,1(1,1 with 2,1 firmware and the dual quad 3.0ghz CPUs plus an 8800GT from MacVidCards) and it's in storage now but I wouldn't mind to use it as an office computer again.
I wound up making Office 365 work with a TenFourFoxBox (and in a G3 iMac also!!!). If it is for Intel also, maybe try there?
The last time I used PPC and TFF was probably back in 2011, but it's still very sad to read.
He inspired me to be a developer and I always admired him.
He inspired me to be a developer and I always admired him.
How could you use Microsoft anything, why not Libreoffice or Open Office ? Truth is truth when it hurts. I don't blame you for being upset - truth does that sometimes
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Anyone who pays a subscription for Microsoft's office 365 is either stupid or dumb, as there are so many better options out there.. Office 365 is so so bloated and complicated to use. I use Office 2001, v.x, 2004,2008, and 2011 and I feel they are much easier to use and get my jobs done a lot quicker, but this is all done on a PPC mac.. My Mac Pro is used for some video editing, while my main driver is a PB G4 TI which does most of everything I need it to do.
Ok, I have a 2012 MacBook Pro with bad memory, so its running Mavericks - I have FireFox Legacy and the last version of FF and all sites work with this, but being so anti-microsoft I use Open Office and or LibreOffice which are by far much better and easier to use than MS's crap. I am also not happy with MS at the moment.
I call fake here since Office 365 requires an Intel Mac.. but I wouldn't even bother - your best bet is Open Office PPC, Libreoffice.
Dont you have a job? Every single workplace uses Microsoft Office
I work for myself and also do Legal services on the side. I don't use MS Office no.. With my home business I use Open Office.
The problem with using an alternative to MS Office is that the alternatives almost universally have enough little problems to screw up the text formatting, or worse, the spreadsheets. It doesn't matter what it looks like on your end, it matters what it looks like on someone else's. They won't accept it just because you want to be ideologically pure.
You are right, but Open Office does convert docs to turn out as if they were done on Ms Office. Convert document does this.
It's not perfect, and if it's going to replace MS Office, it needs to be. It's fine if you're printing things out yourself, but you couldn't pay me to manage a printer. Besides, a lot of workflows involve you sending a docx file to someone else, and how would you know if it worked if you didn't test it out in Word?
It won't even look good. PowerPoint presentations will look bad and lets not even start with Excel.
@iHorseHead
You just named two horsemen of the apocalypse right there, the less I have to think about PowerPoint or Excel, the happier I am.
You just named two horsemen of the apocalypse right there, the less I have to think about PowerPoint or Excel, the happier I am.
Good question ! There is only one version of Office I use, actually 2 - When I am in OS 9 doing things, I use Office 2001, and when I am in Leopard, I use Office 2004 w/ docx conversion. But, my main office software I use is Open Office because its much easier to use.
No, look, I get it. The open source software works on the hardware you're using, and for personal use, writing using word processor software hasn't really changed since the 80's. But when you work for an institution that uses a certain version of a thing, that's what you use. And you do it because there are a lot of compatibility issues, even between MS Office versions. It doesn't matter if it's easier for you to use, because this isn't about your choice. Someone else made that choice.
Do you think people actually like MS Office? About the only good thing I can say about it is that it's not nearly as crash prone as it was in the 90's.