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I don't think Apple will put it as a high-end model. It doesn't seem very Apple asking the consumer to pay more for a faster data traffic network, does it?
IMHO, if Apple CAN put 3G on an iPhone, then they will in all models.

Yeah but they are charging full price for a phone AND THEN the contract - something I have never seen done before and the reason my mates are saying "£269? And contract? When it can't do bluetooth transfer??" and then I get ripped for owning one :)

It's a shame it can't bluetooth stuff..... time to get on my SDK and make it happen!
 
Contract

My Cingular contract is up in May ... wonder what kind of deals they'll have on the new iPhones, if any = P
 
Always fascinated...

I just don't hear a lot of complaints about Edge. I actually turn off the wifi so that I don't waste time with my iPhone looking at random networks. Edge actually seems to work fast enough for data in most situations. Of course, heavy graphics or photo pages may slow it down, but what a lame use for an iPhone anyway. I noticed that many of the people posting on this subject have iPod Touches or no iPhone. Have you spent time with one? Does anyone have a comparison of download speeds from the two networks? I will say that YouTube would improve with a faster network, but is it Edge, or just that YouTube is always pounded with so many queries that their servers can never keep up? How will 3G help with this type of problem. I bet that within a month of 3G's arrival, you are all on this same site complaining about a lack of 4G.
 
Apple needs 3G in their Iphones to sell in Italy. There is no way that they will settle for old and slow technology when some companies are offering phones with flat rate internet at 7.2mb, skype, GSM, and the possibility to work as computer models. Italy has the most robust 3G network in Europe and the most competitive mobile phone market. You will find people that like the Iphone but the masses are not going to settle with their current offerings.
 
I really can't see how they can charge more for the 3G version. They probably will, but it would have to have 32GB memory with it too. It's not like 3G is a new technology; this is something it should have had to begin with, regardless of what Apple has to say regarding battery issues...

3G is standard these days [in Europe at least] on everything other than the cheapest, low-end phones. It's only because Apple is forcing the American model on every international market that we are in this situation.. :(

Quote from http://blogs.computerworld.com/3g_iphone_best_guesses

The EDGE-speed iPhone is accepted in the US because 3G is just being built out and frankly Americans don't know what they are missing. However, in Europe, the lack of 3G access is a much bigger issue. We know that the iPhone isn't meeting European sales expectations largely because of its lack of 3G data access (also because people are bringing them over from the US unlocked). If Apple thought it could coast by on EDGE in Europe, it was mistaken. Therefore, it needs to start selling the 3G version there ASAP.
Exactly.
 
3G for sure in June, though not as an 'high-end', wouldnt work here i europe, we barely have EDGE and almost every phone nowadays are 3G. If Apple wants to compete with other vendors they need to make it consumer friendly in a 'money aspect'.

For me, a 32 GB model would be too much and too expensive, my 16 GB touch is enough for me. I think 399 for the 16 GB model and 3G in every model. Here in europe all 3G phones does GSM too (our EDGE-ish network), doesnt the US 3G phones EDGE too?

Hoping for 3G iphone in June with Telenor (earlier Vodafone) here in Sweden :)
 
I know several people with 3G mobiles and have opened web pages at the same time as them to see how EDGE on the iPhone compared to their super amazing 3G, in most cases the 3G was faster but we are talking 15 seconds compared to 20 on an iPhone, on complex pages 30 seconds compared to 35 on the iPhone. Quicker, but really nothing to get excited about. Broadband it is not.

The major problem with your criticism is that you are comparing apples and oranges. The iphone has a faster processor, more RAM, and more advanced rendering engine than most cell phones which allows it to render webpages to the screen at a faster rate than most once it has the data. Therefore, comparing an EDGE iPhone to most other 3G UMTS/HSDPA phones is not a valid comparison as you have two different variables at play. I can assure you, barring problems with signal strength, local network conditions, etc, when you compare the coming 3G HSDPA iphone to the EDGE phone, it will be much faster at loading webpages, due to it's 3-5x faster data rate, and MUCH lower latency, especially with the rollout of HSUPA in addition to HSDPA (assuming the iPhone can support HSUPA (upload side of 3G)).
The other thing to realize is that a 3G iphone is useful for more than just things such as online video streaming, videochat, large file downloads, etc.

Most people don't give it much thought, but the fact is that the average website has become much more complex with liberal use of large image-heavy design, AJAX/Javascript code, animations, etc. Many webpages are also now done blog-style with ten's of content posts on one page, and many others have public comments on each article which can really increase the overall size of the page as well. All of this increased complexity and interactive functionality has lead to even modest webpages being bloated in size. Earlier this year, I did a size check for some common websites. Note that the tests were done on article/post/subpage-type webpages and NOT ON THE FRONTPAGES. You'd expect frontpages, especially in blog type websites, to be even much higher than the results below.

websites:
engadget.com (random post) 420KB
yahoo.com (news article) 585KB
nytimes.com (news article) 345KB
seedmagazine.com (article page) 223KB
discovermagazine.com (article page) 731KB
livescience.com (article page) 438KB
tgdaily.com (subpage) 253KB
technologyreview.com (subpage) 247KB
macrumors.com (forum page) 207KB
tmz.com (blog post) 433KB
Average: 389KB/page.

So you can easily see why even basic web browsing can benefit from 3G vs EDGE. Additionally, not only is the data transfer rate itself much higher with 3G than EDGE, but the latency is vastly reduced as well. Loading an average webpage requires 15-30 individual HTTP requests for images, icons, CSS files, javascript files, etc. The longer it takes for each request and corresponding response to go through the network, the longer it will take to load the entire page. Both of these improvements that come with 3G should make the subjective experience of browsing the web more satisfying than with EDGE.


I think the reason 3G doesn't seem super-faster than EDGE is latency. Loading a Web page involves a lot of requests, and there are latency issues. Once a file starts coming in you get it at a good clip, but the response time isn't better than EDGE.
So a Web page loads a bit faster than EDGE, but the real advantage comes in when you are getting a big file like an image or PDF, or streaming in stuff like a QuickTime or YouTube movie. There, we will see things move!

You are technically correct in that basic 3G/UMTS doesn't really improve the latency very much compared to EDGE, HOWEVER, nearly all areas that have UMTS rolled out ALSO have HSDPA rolled out and most also have HSUPA as well. HSDPA ("3.5G" download) and HSUPA (3.5G upload) both vastly reduce the latency of the respective paths from/to the device. I don't have any on hand, but head over to dslreports.com to see speed test numbers.


I hope this means that Apple will finally release a model that works on either Verizon or Sprint's networks. If not then the iPhone will still be a crippled regular phone with a large screen, not a smart phone by the majorities standards.
Since 3G won't even touch WiMax it's a day late and a dollar short, hopefully Apple will release a phone that is opened to the other, more powerful networks now that the SDK will allow developers to make business worthy software for it.

As much as I wish I were wrong, I don't think Apple will even ever make a CDMA iphone. By the time their exclusivity period is up, which most sources say is 5 years, Verizon will probably have 4G/LTE/HSOPA rolled out along with AT&T and Tmobile, and who knows where sprint will be.

Also, I have some hope for Wimax, but it's just wrong to say that "3G won't even touch wimax". Actually, 3G HSDPA/HSUPA can scale up to 14.4Mbps for download and 11.5MBps for upload. Obviously these are best-case scenarios, but so are the numbers you see quoted with Wimax. Both technologies will both get around 1-3 mbps both ways in the real world.


I just don't hear a lot of complaints about Edge. I actually turn off the wifi so that I don't waste time with my iPhone looking at random networks. Edge actually seems to work fast enough for data in most situations. Of course, heavy graphics or photo pages may slow it down, but what a lame use for an iPhone anyway. I noticed that many of the people posting on this subject have iPod Touches or no iPhone. Have you spent time with one? Does anyone have a comparison of download speeds from the two networks? I will say that YouTube would improve with a faster network, but is it Edge, or just that YouTube is always pounded with so many queries that their servers can never keep up? How will 3G help with this type of problem. I bet that within a month of 3G's arrival, you are all on this same site complaining about a lack of 4G.

I would have to ask you the same question. Acknowledging the problems with direct comparisons I layed out above, have you actually used a decent 3G EV-DO or UMTS/HSDPA (AT&T) phone and compared it to EDGE on the iPhone? It really is much faster, and it's more useful than many people are led to believe when you actually add up how much time is lost to waiting for things to load. If you take a look above at the webpage size comparison I listed above, then you can see it doesn't take a large photo gallery or CNN video stream to see the utility of having a connection that is 3-7x faster than EDGE. As far as your idea of server congestion, just load Youtube or whatever else on your home broadband connection and then see if it is the server or your slow phone connection.
And for speed tests, go to www.dslreports.com . Despite the name, they have speed tests from every type of internet connection and ISP/Cell provider.
 
What will japan get when there are 2 iPhone models!?

The 3G one, that's for sure.

Apparently when Vodafone bought one of your big Telcos a couple of years back, they tried to "standardise" the handsets, so Japan had the same handsets as Europe. These were much clunkier than any of the competitors since they had both 3G and 2G chipsets... and the Telco did not do so well. I believe Vodafone is now exiting Japan.

So I wonder... are the 3G chips small enough now that the 3G iPhone will do the job in Japan without looking bulky?
 
Most people don't give it much thought, but the fact is that the average website has become much more complex with liberal use of large image-heavy design, AJAX/Javascript code, animations, etc. Many webpages are also now done blog-style with ten's of content posts on one page, and many others have public comments on each article which can really increase the overall size of the page as well. All of this increased complexity and interactive functionality has lead to even modest webpages being bloated in size. Earlier this year, I did a size check for some common websites. Note that the tests were done on article/post/subpage-type webpages and NOT ON THE FRONTPAGES. You'd expect frontpages, especially in blog type websites, to be even much higher than the results below.

The web is a mess and keeps getting messier every year. Drives people in my business to tears!:mad:
 
Two words:


FCC Approval.

The original iPhone was revealed 6 months in advance because they needed to get FCC approvals for the device.

They will need at least a couple of months to get an approval for the new 3G version.

Since we still didn't get any information about this, I am guessing it will NOT be released in June.
 
What's the deal with "two cameras"? What's the advantage of having two?
Ehm video chat maybe? You wouldnt want to turn ur iphone around when chatting right? You need to see the one ur chatting with at the same time...

I even think they will up the 2 mpix cam to like...5...well maybe not 5...but...kinda...

Another thing about iPhone v2. I think u'll be able to upload recorded vids directly from ur iphone to youtube. :cool:
 
odedia said:
Two words:


FCC Approval.

The original iPhone was revealed 6 months in advance because they needed to get FCC approvals for the device.

They will need at least a couple of months to get an approval for the new 3G version.

Since we still didn't get any information about this, I am guessing it will NOT be released in June.

Earlier in the thread....

The FCC will grant confidentiality on certain aspects of it before release. It may still mean that Apple will pre-announce it 4-6 weeks ahead of time, but it doesn't mean that we'll necessarily hear it from the FCC first.

arn
 
3 words:

Preapproved 3G chips.


Two words:


FCC Approval.

The original iPhone was revealed 6 months in advance because they needed to get FCC approvals for the device.

They will need at least a couple of months to get an approval for the new 3G version.

Since we still didn't get any information about this, I am guessing it will NOT be released in June.
 
I just don't hear a lot of complaints about Edge. I actually turn off the wifi so that I don't waste time with my iPhone looking at random networks. Edge actually seems to work fast enough for data in most situations. Of course, heavy graphics or photo pages may slow it down, but what a lame use for an iPhone anyway. I noticed that many of the people posting on this subject have iPod Touches or no iPhone. Have you spent time with one? Does anyone have a comparison of download speeds from the two networks? I will say that YouTube would improve with a faster network, but is it Edge, or just that YouTube is always pounded with so many queries that their servers can never keep up? How will 3G help with this type of problem. I bet that within a month of 3G's arrival, you are all on this same site complaining about a lack of 4G.


I agree with what you said bout the 4g:)
but i think the main reason the apple is coming out with a 3G iphone is so that it can open up more markets all over the world because 3g works in almost evry country. For example Japan, and a lot of Asia only uses 3G. With this update Apple will be able to expand its product line.
I don't understand why Americans(including me :)) think that wat ever aapple does is for the US and no one else lol
 
The redesign in the next iPhone is really not that much of difference. A camera behind the glass in the front. That's it. The overall design will remain the same.
Are you saying the camera would look through the front glass? I doubt the glass on an iPhone has sufficient optical quality to do that.
 
i find it odd no one is talking about the current lack of iphones right now in stores and the now "5-7 day wait shipping period" on the apple stores. I checked yesterday with an apple store here in MA and they are completly out of iphones....what gives?
 
Yap.
It is very odd that the iPhone is sold out in some areas!
I think Apple is fooling us all by spreading some rumors which are pointing to June.
This is how they gonna keep up the sales until the new iPhone comes out.

I think we'll see the new iPhone late april.
 
In where is this WiMax network you're referring too?

The iPhone is selling well, better than any other mobile/smart phone in the world.

WiMax is being installed in a lot of major cities including Baltimore and DC. Right now my phone can only use EVDO, and that kicks the sh*t out of EDGE. My HTC Touch torched my colleagues iPhone and another's Blackberry that were using EDGE on simple things like mobile website viewing, and non mobile website viewing (yes it beat the iPhone albeit it didn't look as good :) ) and intense things like Google Maps.

AT&T needs to work on their speed, they are behind just about everyone on that. And they need to work on their insurance plans, or lack there of for their smartphones/expensive phones. Sprint allows you to replace a lost or stolen anything phone twice in a year with just a $50 fee. And they fix any phone free of charge as long as the motherboard isn't exposed with their insurance plan.

If I can't get that with the iPhone then forget it.

Sorry, they can't. If you see the amazing contract that AT&T + Apple agreed to, they have full rights to the iPhone until (I believe) 2010. Besides, the iPhone is only made for the GSM network. Imaging Verizon's crappy "RedOS" on the iPhone. Ugh.:p:apple:

I was hoping, and still kinda of am, that the contract thing was a rumor. Or that Apple could get around the contract with Crapular.... um.... AT&T by making a new phone and branding it something else.

Darn..... back to my phone with amazing 3rd party software and blazing fast speed but mediocre OS and NO iTunes syncing. :mad:
 
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