The i5 MacBook Pros were going to be released today...

[iPhysicist]

Thats just because they do not want them to already sell something for XXX € while they are still negotiating the pricing outside USA.

Please note, pricing is in US dollars. International pricing will be announced at a later date.

                 16GB	32GB	64GB
Wi-Fi	        US$499	US$599	US$699
Wi-Fi + 3G	US$629	US$729	US$829

Die internationalen Anbieter werden zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt bekannt gegeben. Die 3G Tarife werden u. U. separat verkauft.

 

[star-fish]

And now it's hit the news.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Europe-May-See-iPad-Delayed-133486.shtml

 

[iPhysicist]

This does not mean no introduction in Europe at all as you have mentioned. It is just a (common) delay. I wont buy the first Generation anyway, so I really do not care about this news. But i appreciate your will to keep us informed right before it is "news" in the news.

 

[fxSplash]

Macbook Pro

My best bet for the new releases will be Mid Feb after they have give some time for the iPad to take the limelight....

And I'm guessing it will include the new processors and if lucky the Light Peak.

Anyhow I think it will be worth the wait.

 

[lolorent]

if lucky the Light Peak.

Personal view : I wouldn't bet a single cent on Light Peak with this update. I guess we'll rather have a worldwide famous .....
....
.... USB 2.0 !!!😀

 

[Eric S.]

My best bet for the new releases will be Mid Feb after they have give some time for the iPad to take the limelight....

No offense, but IMO the idea that Apple is just sitting on systems that are ready to go, just to give another product greater exposure, is just silly. If new MBPs haven't been released it's because they aren't ready. Did they get pulled at the last minute? I highly doubt it, but it really doesn't matter. They aren't ready. When they're ready they'll be released.

And I'm guessing it will include the new processors and if lucky the Light Peak.

LightPeak is still in development stage, it's years from commercial availability.

 

[star-fish]

No offense, but IMO the idea that Apple is just sitting on systems that are ready to go, just to give another product greater exposure, is just silly.

Why? They're still going to get the same amount of sales from the new product (in fact, they are likely to sell more of the old product in the added time as well). And the MBP is an established favorite. The iPad is very risky and needs all the help it can get.

 

[RaulDukeNC]

They pulled them at the last minute (this morning). Whether that's because there were manufacturing issues with them or they didn't want to detract from the iPad's limelight I don't know. But I suspect the latter.

So in your opinion how much longer till they release the new MBP??? I could wait another week or two but any longer than that is a stretch.

 

[Clete2]

No offense, but IMO the idea that Apple is just sitting on systems that are ready to go, just to give another product greater exposure, is just silly. If new MBPs haven't been released it's because they aren't ready. Did they get pulled at the last minute? I highly doubt it, but it really doesn't matter. They aren't ready. When they're ready they'll be released.

It isn't silly at all. With the way Apple works, it's a great strategy. All they have to do is wait a few weeks to get the iPad exposure out. When the iPad's talk starts to decrease, they will release MacBook Pros.

 

[djkny]

It isn't silly at all. With the way Apple works, it's a great strategy. All they have to do is wait a few weeks to get the iPad exposure out. When the iPad's talk starts to decrease, they will release MacBook Pros.

The talk has already started to decrease: in this 24-hour news cycle -- or shorter -- that news is done within a few hours.

Onto the next product....

 

[Vyruz Reaper]

The talk has already started to decrease: in this 24-hour news cycle -- or shorter -- that news is done within a few hours.

Onto the next product....

sounds like how you treat your women 😀 jk

OP:

A LOT have people have asked you: WHat is your opinion on when the new MBP will be released???

Should I buy my MBP in the next few days or WAIT 2 weeks. If we are dropping 1500+ we want to be happy. PLease shed some light to the people who respect what you are doing!

PS. I have leaked a lot of info from verizon wireless, ATT, Palm treo line, etc etc etc. I have been aright a lot, I have been wrong a lot. Not b/c i wanted to fabricate something, but b/c companies just change their minds about things. I even got a slap on the wrist from ATT for violating my NDA and they "found me" -> even when I was posting all the info from my home. ATT police was no joke. I will highly recommend using ARN to leak all your info, for your own protection and so you wont have to put up with this crap.

thats what I started to do.

 

[djkny]

sounds like how you treat your women 😀 jk

OP:

A LOT have people have asked.

No, just the cretinism of our culture.

 

[Eric S.]

Why? They're still going to get the same amount of sales from the new product (in fact, they are likely to sell more of the old product in the added time as well).

Not true; there are several threads on MR alone where people are bailing every day to buy an HP Envy or other Windows laptop because the current MBP line trails the market technologically.

And the MBP is an established favorite. The iPad is very risky and needs all the help it can get.

And I think it would benefit more by Apple having an all-around stronger technical offering. Then the media, instead of writing "is the iPad really useful?" would be writing "iPad leads Apple's strong new product line."

But I guess you think that Apple is intentionally crippling its laptop line in order to sell a marginal product aimed at another market. That would be very sad if true.

 

[sikkinixx]

I hope they hurry the hell up. Money is burning a hole in my pocket 😛 Lots of other goodies that are begging to be bought with laptop money.

 

[Burglnar]

No offense man, but as a senior in business school (Marketing major), it's pretty obvious to me that this is basic market positioning. While I'm right there with you pining and waiting for this imminent processor update, I think you are being a bit overzealous and short sighted by your frustration.. I just get a little concerned when people get so worked up over something so minor (in the grand scheme of things, a Mac processor update is trivial) that they start to bully the ones who are on the same page as they are. You're entitled to your opinion but I just wanted to look at this from a real Marketing perspective.

Not true; there are several threads on MR alone where people are bailing every day to buy an HP Envy or other Windows laptop because the current MBP line trails the market technologically.

While this is obviously true, the fact that a handful (global market-wise) of pissed-off forum posters have claimed that they are "going back to PCs!" and done their best to try to single-handedly convince Apple that they have a bad Marketing dept., this definitely does not necessarily indicate or represent the opinions of even their earliest adopters/ professionals/ fanboys, etc. as an entire market segment, nor is it going to change the way they decide to do business and schedule their product releases, even if it did represent their opinions. Apple knows what they're doing and Steve wasn't about to share his announcement of the new "magical" (laughable!) device that "he's so excited about" by ending it with "..aaand oh yeah- new chips in our notebooks. Thankseverybodyseeyalater." I was hoping for maybe one of the "and one more thing" announcements but figured it was improbable at best.

And I think it would benefit more by Apple having an all-around stronger technical offering. Then the media, instead of writing "is the iPad really useful?" would be writing "iPad leads Apple's strong new product line."

I really agree with you here, it's just -again, I feel like you are only preaching to the choir.

But I guess you think that Apple is intentionally crippling its laptop line in order to sell a marginal product aimed at another market. That would be very sad if true.

OK now obviously this was not what the guy meant but, while you make it sound very negative for Apple to "cripple" it's laptop line, it's actually not "crippling" anything. They are expected to refresh soon and I have faith that it will happen in the next month (based, if nothing else, on their past cycle times- we're due) but it's common knowledge in Marketing that you can easily cannibalize profits from yourself by not having a well executed and well timed, broad product line. If they were to focus the media on even such a small thing as this update, it would take away from the general impact of their (IMO) bland new device. They are always going to make professional level laptops (god willing!) and have a strong foothold in that segment. Everyone knows that if you are an artist/ musician/ film maker, etc. that you should use a Mac, if only for the interface and software. They are now IMO trying to parlay their success with the iphone and ipod touch (and ipod in general) and how it has allowed them to penetrate the PC users' market, to get an Apple device into a new segment/ demographics' hands and continue to take customers away from HP and Dell and whoever. I feel your pain but I also just have to recognize that Apple is just being savvy about trying to make the biggest splash with their new line of women's hygiene products (just couldn't resist). Sorry for the lecture.😎

 

[Eric S.]

Sorry for the lecture.😎

No problem. I may not be a senior in business school but I think 33 years in the actual tech industry has taught me something, and I still don't believe Apple is intentionally holding back updates to its largest-selling computer product.

 

[KQ9]

Thanks for sharing... interesting thread.

I would advise you to not share in the future though, as it really just ends with people unfairly calling you a liar, which sucks. I shared some information I received that was hearsay (meaning my friend told me what his family member who works at Apple told him). My friend had previously been fairly accurate except in the actual timing. It was fun knowing the information, so I thought I would share the next time. I definitely had no reason to fabricate the information and it wasn't even one of my update wishes. Well, people called me a liar and everything else.

Next time you get some information in advance, whether it's projected to happen in a day or in three months, share a certain bit of the information with a reputable person, like Arn here on MacRumors.com. If you share information three or four times and are correct, I am sure Arn will start releasing the information and stating "from a confidential source." That way everyone can discuss, but you're not at the same risks for involvement as it wasn't your account. Plus, people will not call Arn a liar like they will you or I.

Best wishes with everything, and I hope you find the right way to share this information you find. I surely appreciate it, but I seriously advise you to share with only people you trust who will also trust you without calling you a liar. It hurts to be called a liar, especially if you pride yourself in being considered a trustworthy person. Cheers.

Spot on

 

[ronjon10]

They might just be waiting to get these models into the stores so they'll be there when the announcement happens.

As far as I can tell, no manufacturer has an arrandale chip laptop in a retail store yet. Lenovo is just starting to ship these and I assume HP is as well. The vaunted i7 Sony Vaio with i7 and quad SSD drives isn't supposed to come out until March. A lot of other manufacturers announced machines at CES that wont be coming out til Feb/March. I'm not sure Apple is really behind at this point.

 

[Apple.MBPro]

You are off on the point there, HP and Dell already have laptops with Intel i5 processors already out on the market (Staples, Best Buy & Dell.com to name a few). Now that being said, they are not necessarily the high end of the i5 processors, but they are available with different clocking speeds. I am hoping that when Apple does release the new processors that they are the higher end and not the lower end of Intel Core i5, plus other features that have already been mentioned by numerous posters here and on the"waiting for Arrandale" thread.

They might just be waiting to get these models into the stores so they'll be there when the announcement happens.

As far as I can tell, no manufacturer has an arrandale chip laptop in a retail store yet. Lenovo is just starting to ship these and I assume HP is as well. The vaunted i7 Sony Vaio with i7 and quad SSD drives isn't supposed to come out until March. A lot of other manufacturers announced machines at CES that wont be coming out til Feb/March. I'm not sure Apple is really behind at this point.

 

[2contagious]

plus other features

What exactly has been said to be part of the new features?

 

[Apple.MBPro]

Again, these are all just speculations/rumors (hence appropriately call MacRumors). I was just referring to the dream specs. in many of the forum user's specs. wish list (USB 3.0, Blu-ray drive <-- just to name a few), even though i don't see them necessarily happening in the upcoming refresh, but perhaps as an optional upgrade?? I don't know, but if not in this refresh then quite possibly by the end of the year?

What exactly has been said to be part of the new features?

 

[Dennishg]

Agree

I agree completly. The guy tries to help and you just question him?

You guys are going to kill all rumor input. I accept his info as a rumor and will use it accordingly. Why rip hom over the coals?

 

[iMustHave]

ironic

Conveniently fired.... sorry, but I can't quite believe on your word because we are on the Internet, anything is possible (including made up stories). So I need a proof (a picture or screenshot) of said emails or said markdowns

funny how you wouldn't believe the man's words, but you'd believe his screenshots. if he can make up words, what makes you think his screenshots are to be believed? give the man the benefit of the doubt, i for one, am delighted at the hope this piece of rumour has given me and will continue to wait. and that is my prerogative.

 

[PsyD4Me]

Why? They're still going to get the same amount of sales from the new product (in fact, they are likely to sell more of the old product in the added time as well). And the MBP is an established favorite. The iPad is very risky and needs all the help it can get.

this doesn't make sense financially.

To sit on an investment (to build MBP's you need capital plus your paying labor costs) while that investment is not making you any money (not on sale yet) and in fact is slowly becoming outdated is just bad business.
It's not like they are sitting on cash.

Just ask yourself this, does the car dealer ever want NOT to sell you a car? instead choosing to sit on it for a few months?

 

[joelcsf]

this doesn't make sense financially.

To sit on an investment (to build MBP's you need capital plus your paying labor costs) while that investment is not making you any money (not on sale yet) and in fact is slowly becoming outdated is just bad business.
It's not like they are sitting on cash.

Just ask yourself this, does the car dealer ever want NOT to sell you a car? instead choosing to sit on it for a few months?

The world is not black and white.

Your analogy is broken: car dealers just sell cars (maybe financing products, maybe accessories also).

Apple sells multiple products classes, to many customer bases in many industries, all across many geographies and demographics.

You are attempting to compare Apples to oranges.

If they were due to be released, and that released was pulled, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone somewhere has been running some complex risk models to assess the balance sheet implications [what the projected gain (loss) might be by holding back from market / whether this would be in the shareholders best interest]. You don't carry several $10b's in cash reserves unless you have some pretty shrewd bean counters in the back office.

This all might have been spurred by a brand reputation concern [launching new MBPs on the same day as releasing Apple's "most advanced technology"]. Who knows.