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The mac store is nothing but greed.
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the irony of the OP bringing up greed while whining that his precious apps might be priced at 99 cents or 1.99 is rather hilarious.
coming back down from the clouds, I expect pricing to be pretty fluid in the first few months as devs find the sweet spots for pricing. the market will also help to dictate. If a dev overvalues their app, people aren't going to buy it and they will be faced with the decision of whether to drop the price or let it sit there and collect dust on the imaginary shelf.
If you don't think something is worth the price, don't buy it. There isn't a gun to your head. Stop whining.
coming back down from the clouds, I expect pricing to be pretty fluid in the first few months as devs find the sweet spots for pricing. the market will also help to dictate. If a dev overvalues their app, people aren't going to buy it and they will be faced with the decision of whether to drop the price or let it sit there and collect dust on the imaginary shelf.
If you don't think something is worth the price, don't buy it. There isn't a gun to your head. Stop whining.
It's a market, get used to it. You can't expect things for free. Unless you work for nothing. Even then, it would be ignorance to expect others to do the same.
Your argument is that prices are higher than on the iOS store, and this is unfair. Well, it's a very competitive store. Millions of potential customers draw thousands of developers. If an App could be developed and sold for less, chances are it would be. If customers think an App is too expensive, they won't buy it! There is no monopoly. It's a free and fair market.
Desktop Apps are often more complex and sophisticated; they allow you to do more than their iOS counterparts. This can make them more expensive to produce. Don't forget there are also the costs in time, effort, money of developing an App for the Mac. The premiums may be explained by this. But over time, if Mac Apps aren't sufficiently differentiated from iPhone Apps they will probably converge to the same price.
Finally, the Mac App Store is largely unrestricted. Unlike the iOS store which is padlocked by Apple, the Mac is for ultimate productivity and creativity; for devs and creatives to prosper they need the liberty and freedom to do what they want.
Your argument is that prices are higher than on the iOS store, and this is unfair. Well, it's a very competitive store. Millions of potential customers draw thousands of developers. If an App could be developed and sold for less, chances are it would be. If customers think an App is too expensive, they won't buy it! There is no monopoly. It's a free and fair market.
Desktop Apps are often more complex and sophisticated; they allow you to do more than their iOS counterparts. This can make them more expensive to produce. Don't forget there are also the costs in time, effort, money of developing an App for the Mac. The premiums may be explained by this. But over time, if Mac Apps aren't sufficiently differentiated from iPhone Apps they will probably converge to the same price.
Finally, the Mac App Store is largely unrestricted. Unlike the iOS store which is padlocked by Apple, the Mac is for ultimate productivity and creativity; for devs and creatives to prosper they need the liberty and freedom to do what they want.
Couple of points
I think a few things are happening here with the app store.
Like ALL app stores before it, the iphone app store and the ipad app store, the mac app store has pricing coming out of the gates at HIGHER price points. It is WAY easier for a developer to LOWER pricing than to RAISE it. So, they are in the testing the waters phase, just like the iphone app store and very much so with the IPAD app store.
Second. the apps that are now out, are quite fully developed apps. The ones that came out first on the iphone, then ipad (new versions for ipad) were 1.0 versions at best, and there was going to be an upgrade curve both of performance and functionality, but also updating features. So, what we have NOW is a pretty developed app platform and from that we are already getting much BETTER quality out of the gates.
Finally, this is the wild card. I fully expect SOME of these apps, and APPS in general to be supported on the apple tv. IF that is going to be the case, then THESE apps will also work on THAT platform - further extending their usability and value. So, they are just making them a TAD more costly now.
I DO like things like iwork and ilife a.la.carte pricing options, and do like things like APERTURE for 80$ (I expect that to be a promo that will go away soon)
I think a few things are happening here with the app store.
Like ALL app stores before it, the iphone app store and the ipad app store, the mac app store has pricing coming out of the gates at HIGHER price points. It is WAY easier for a developer to LOWER pricing than to RAISE it. So, they are in the testing the waters phase, just like the iphone app store and very much so with the IPAD app store.
Second. the apps that are now out, are quite fully developed apps. The ones that came out first on the iphone, then ipad (new versions for ipad) were 1.0 versions at best, and there was going to be an upgrade curve both of performance and functionality, but also updating features. So, what we have NOW is a pretty developed app platform and from that we are already getting much BETTER quality out of the gates.
Finally, this is the wild card. I fully expect SOME of these apps, and APPS in general to be supported on the apple tv. IF that is going to be the case, then THESE apps will also work on THAT platform - further extending their usability and value. So, they are just making them a TAD more costly now.
I DO like things like iwork and ilife a.la.carte pricing options, and do like things like APERTURE for 80$ (I expect that to be a promo that will go away soon)
Name Mangler had already started charging $10 before the Mac App Store came along.
LOL! Busted! I wonder if Squadleader even knows the current stock price! (which I'm loving, since I first bought at 84.50!)
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Being a developer myself these posts make me sick. WTF do you people want??
We create cool and usefull apps for you
We charge a cup of coffee for them
We continuously update them and ask for nothing extra
We give you free unlimited support
Seriously where has this "GIMME GIMME GIMME FREE FREE FREE" mindset come from?
We put more work and sit our asses in front of these damn screens for countless hours, work till 4 AM int he morning, and you dare even complain over a 2 dollar app?
Next time you go into work I hope your boss tells you need to
"do some extra work on an existing project, and answer a couple hundred emails, oh and btw your not gonna get paid for it and your being greedy for even asking for money for the work you do here every day"
and see how you feel....
We create cool and usefull apps for you
We charge a cup of coffee for them
We continuously update them and ask for nothing extra
We give you free unlimited support
Seriously where has this "GIMME GIMME GIMME FREE FREE FREE" mindset come from?
We put more work and sit our asses in front of these damn screens for countless hours, work till 4 AM int he morning, and you dare even complain over a 2 dollar app?
Next time you go into work I hope your boss tells you need to
"do some extra work on an existing project, and answer a couple hundred emails, oh and btw your not gonna get paid for it and your being greedy for even asking for money for the work you do here every day"
and see how you feel....
First, let me say I fully support you in your comments.
Second, I have some Friday comments of my own for my own self-amusement yeah, I'm that bored.
People want everything for free
Started with Napster, now torrents and hosts, and seems to have moved beyond music.
$1.99 on screen holds 100x more value than staring down at 2 George Washingtons in your hand, which any of us will happily hand off to anyone that asks for it. It's a human mystery
I love this one, because some of us actually do go through this - it's called beeing on salary we get paid for 40 hours of work, but companies always seem to give us ~45-60 hours worth of work every week we don't like it either
Have a good weekend dude and here's a :beer: on me. Cheers.
Second, I have some Friday comments of my own for my own self-amusement
yeah, I'm that bored.People want everything for free
Started with Napster, now torrents and hosts, and seems to have moved beyond music.
$1.99 on screen holds 100x more value than staring down at 2 George Washingtons in your hand, which any of us will happily hand off to anyone that asks for it. It's a human mystery
I love this one, because some of us actually do go through this - it's called beeing on salary
we get paid for 40 hours of work, but companies always seem to give us ~45-60 hours worth of work every week we don't like it either Have a good weekend dude and here's a :beer: on me. Cheers.
Umm, quite the opposite !
It was a joke. His point was that Apple does not pay dividends.
... and the fact that if Squadleader did, indeed, own Apple stock, he would know that it doesn't pay dividends.
Blame your colleagues asking $0.79 for their apps. Seriously, things like the App Store and the pricing there is killing the business. You cannot make even a halfway decent app for 79 cents. It will never in your lifetime pay for itself. And they probably don't have to, since they are either made by enthusiasts or companies that make their money over real software. But because there are so many apps out there for less than 1 dollar, people start expecting everything to be cheap.
I wonder how many people realize how many copies someone has to sell of a 79 cent app to pay off 3 months development time? To pay the rent of the house? Gas in the car? Food on the table?
You know what will happen? More and more real, quality software will disappear, and replaced half-ar$ed iPhone copies that really don't do anything useful. This in turn will reduce the need of having a real computer and pretty soon we'll be stuck with our iPad 5 that doesn't really do anything but makes us purr happily because we can get so much software for it for almost nothing. At the same time, we gave up all control about what we do with what and when and 1984 becomes reality. Ok, so this is a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the point.
.99 cents to $1.99 vs free ... what is really the difference?
coffee and a donut is 2 bucks
IMO, most of these penny apps are not worth anything.
Exactly and I don't really see what all the fuss is about if you want to use the App Store use it if not don't, personally for the apps I need that I can't find a free alternative for I will go to the developers site first and give them all the money if that option is available to me. Hell if I like the app enough I have even written developers that have asked for nothing to see if there was some way to send a donation and I am one cheap tight fisted SOB, now I have to be using it every day or very frequently mind you but good software is worth a few dollars that is my 2¢ anyways take it for what its worth...
It came from people whose hard drives are crammed with "free" music and movies.
And free trojans.
... depends on what kind and where you buy your coffee!
in Canada ... Tim Horton's rules
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its not speculation look on the pirate bay...all you need to do is copy one folder from a free app to your "paid" app and it will run as if its been paid for
its not speculation look on the pirate bay...all you need to do is copy one folder from a free app to your "paid" app and it will run as if its been paid for
LOL...then Windows will regain market share...the consumer always has a the choice
Greed? Are you kidding me
A person does work and creates a program, but there are people who actually think they are entitled to have the program for free.
Tell you what. Give me your bosses phone number and I will give him a call and inform him that he doesn't have to give you a paycheck unless he feels like it.
A person does work and creates a program, but there are people who actually think they are entitled to have the program for free.
Tell you what. Give me your bosses phone number and I will give him a call and inform him that he doesn't have to give you a paycheck unless he feels like it.
I am a bit buzzed to be reading all these threads, so please forgive me if this has been touched on before in this thread...
I, for one, am glad that developers are getting paid for their work. Also, I think with more and more people buying Macs', the app store is soooo much better to find apps, rather than scouring internet forums to find them.
And people who say .99 apps are worth dick, I beg to differ. How many people have used CyberDuck or audacity or coconut battery? They are all free, and are wonderful. If they suddenly charged .99, they wouldn't be worth it? I'd happily pay $5 for each of those apps.
And didn't the guy who made that stupid fart app on the iPhone/iPod make a few hundred grand, and now works for Apple? He charged .99 cents. I understand there is a difference between making mindless child apps, but still he made a killing.. Why can't anyone in the Mac Store? Give it time, it just opened..
I, for one, am glad that developers are getting paid for their work. Also, I think with more and more people buying Macs', the app store is soooo much better to find apps, rather than scouring internet forums to find them.
And people who say .99 apps are worth dick, I beg to differ. How many people have used CyberDuck or audacity or coconut battery? They are all free, and are wonderful. If they suddenly charged .99, they wouldn't be worth it? I'd happily pay $5 for each of those apps.
And didn't the guy who made that stupid fart app on the iPhone/iPod make a few hundred grand, and now works for Apple? He charged .99 cents. I understand there is a difference between making mindless child apps, but still he made a killing.. Why can't anyone in the Mac Store? Give it time, it just opened..
The biggest thing people don't seem to get about this whole thing is that people who do this won't receive any updates through the App Store. They will basically have to keep pirating every update that comes out. It's a lot of work to keep up with all your apps. It's not like before where even a stolen serial number might work after an app auto-updates through Sparkle (if the developer hasn't banned the number).
People want to jump on the whole "oooh look how easy piracy is" bandwagon because it's a hot topic but the reality is that developers are far more protected than they were before, and have almost 100% less work to do to in terms of anti-piracy. It's not like people weren't going to figure out a way to crack it, and I doubt there is any developer who thought they wouldn't.