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The mac store is nothing but greed.
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Developers are free to provide trials of apps they sell in the Mac App Store and additional information about their iOS and Mac apps on their own websites.
It's probably not worth getting too worked up about at this point anyway. There are perfectly good reasons to provide some kind of feature along these lines in the Mac App Store and if it turns out, over time, that leaving this out was a problem, I won't be surprised if Apple comes around and sets something up.
And yeah, for now it isn't like we've lost anything.
I like the Mac App store and have bought a few things from it. Some of the stuff in it I wonder how they came up with the price. For instance, Unison is $28.99. IMO that is way to high for a program that does binary downloads from usenet. With that in mind I'll probably give my money to NZBVortex.
I upgraded to 10.6.6 and restarted.
After restarting Lil'Snitch asked me if I wanted to connect to the App Store.
I said no.
Without Lil'Snitch, the computer would of connect to Apple to inform them of apps I have on my computer without me knowing or consenting. And this all happens before the Store App is started.
There is a 14 page discussion going on in the Apple Discussion Support Area.
It is mainly how to disable or uninstall the App Store software that is built into the 10.6.6 system. The launchd file is called storeagent
Take a look< http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2711208&tstart=0
This really surprises me that this is not relatively well known situation here.
BTW, when I'm not being ridiculous, I beta test Mac system software, from 10.3.0 to 10.6.5. There wasn't any testing on 10.6.6 because the only thing notable done to it was the addition of the built-in Mac Store.
Also I regressed back to 10.6.5.
SeeYa
Is this a fact or an assumption as to what data would be transmitted? If it is a fact, do you have any source to back it up?
It could just be opening a connection to let the OS know when purchased apps have been updated.
I don't undertand the fuss.
What you get in return: "It just works"
I never thought I would get into such an ecosystem, but I bought a MBP in October and love it.
Still in doubt about getting into iOS products.
- The minute you buy an Apple product, you know you are buying into the Apple ecosystem
- With every penny you invest, you get deeper into it
- Apple can change the contract/conditions without your consent
- Apple can change the contract/conditions without developer's consent
What you get in return: "It just works"
I never thought I would get into such an ecosystem, but I bought a MBP in October and love it.
Still in doubt about getting into iOS products.
You are 100% wrong.
First, how is this the end of creativity? That line doesn't even make sense. Being able to charge for ones work through Apple OR through their website, whichever they choose has no effect on creativity.
As for closed, wrong again. Apple is not telling everyone that they have to use just the mac app store. The developer can if they wish as its a very attractive option but they don't have to.
I also don't understand your whole greed angle. Apple is a business, businesses are out to make money and employ people so people have money. This isn't a new thing that is only happening at Apple. Apples mac app store is a good thing and anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. For small developers this means they can have more visibility for their app, remove the overhead associated with running a website, and concentrate on improving their program all while having a safe place for consumers to enter their credit card info. Look at the huge surge the creators of Pixelmator saw. Even the simplest apps take a lot of time and experience to make. Most people are under this illusion where you sit for a few minutes infront of a computer screen typing away madly and produce the next Maya.
And lastly as for the music industry they did that to themselves. People got sick of paying $20+ for a CD with 2 - 3 good songs and the rest filler, hence why the pay per song model is very popular.
I'm getting to this thread a bit late, but I thought I should voice my opinion, being an independent developer myself.
To those of you who are complaining that your free apps are now going to cost $0.99, and consider it "greedy" for developers to charge for their applications, I'm pretty disappointed.
People drop $4 every morning on a coffee that it took 30 seconds for someone to make. Developers put often spend thousands of hours developing an application. It's not easy to survive as an indie developer, and to ask for any compensation for your hard work is often (this thread is a great example) viewed as greed. The money that goes towards what were once free apps encourage developers (myself included) to spend more time and effort polishing and maintaining them.
Plus, I can assure you it's a lot harder to develop a software application than it is to brew a damn cup of coffee. And then to get to use that program for the rest of your life for 1/4 the cost? Talk about greed.
To those of you who are complaining that your free apps are now going to cost $0.99, and consider it "greedy" for developers to charge for their applications, I'm pretty disappointed.
People drop $4 every morning on a coffee that it took 30 seconds for someone to make. Developers put often spend thousands of hours developing an application. It's not easy to survive as an indie developer, and to ask for any compensation for your hard work is often (this thread is a great example) viewed as greed. The money that goes towards what were once free apps encourage developers (myself included) to spend more time and effort polishing and maintaining them.
Plus, I can assure you it's a lot harder to develop a software application than it is to brew a damn cup of coffee. And then to get to use that program for the rest of your life for 1/4 the cost? Talk about greed.
Indeed, correlation does not imply causation.
Littleodie914: We can thank our society for that one.
I haven't bought many apps from the MAS yet, but of the ones I have they've been well worth it.
I know that I went into the Apple environment with my eyes open. I have free and purchased apps for iPhone. The more expensive ones (like the Greek-English lexicon or a full featured French-English dictionary) have been worth their weight in gold to me.
Hats off to the developers, I don't understand how there can be so many great FREE apps (just discovered Growly Bird yesterday, not on the store, prefer getting things through the store, actually).
Plan on testing a lot of free/99 cent apps and will always be cheerful to pay more for full-featured versions of those I like. My whole family feels the same way (we've now converted quite a swath of our extended family to MACs, I was one of the last to give in, but it was an issue of waiting till my last PC failed beyond reasonable cost of repair).
I love Mac/Apple developers!11!!
Hats off to the developers, I don't understand how there can be so many great FREE apps (just discovered Growly Bird yesterday, not on the store, prefer getting things through the store, actually).
Plan on testing a lot of free/99 cent apps and will always be cheerful to pay more for full-featured versions of those I like. My whole family feels the same way (we've now converted quite a swath of our extended family to MACs, I was one of the last to give in, but it was an issue of waiting till my last PC failed beyond reasonable cost of repair).
I love Mac/Apple developers!11!!
Lil'Snitch monitors outgoing connections, not incoming.
My source was Lil'Snitch alerting me of a request to connect with the App Store after installing the 10.6.6 update and rebooting and before I even had the store application running.
It does this to see what apps you have on your computer.
Is this good or bad? Probably not bad.
But, It did it without your knowledge (unless you monitor outgoing connections).
This is my point.
Can Apple do this legally? Maybe, depends how you interpret the EULA.
Whether or not you believe me is not the point.
You can choose to ignore this and be a happy camper.
But, it is the current situation.
Watch the news for more info on this.
You've said this multiple times. I believe you that a connection was made. I expect there to be a connection, because we are notified of updates to purchased apps. There has to be a outgoing connection to say "I'm here."
This statement is the only thing that I'm questioning. How do you know that is was reporting what apps you have on your computer?
I would consider it bad if it is true.
I would be happy to believe you, and just as upset as you are, if you provided any evidence of your claim as to what data is sent to Apple.
You're worrying over nothing. You do realize a LOT of apps do this type of thing where they will ping or connect in some way to some site that they pull information from.
Apple is not spying on you don't worry.
Well... first, as far as I know, that's what we're assuming. It may be communicating something else to Apple. As a Little Snitch user you also know that all manner of applications, utilities, and services across OS X communicate with Apple for one reason or another and given the company's history handling information that might be sensitive, I doubt there's anything bad going on.
In any case, someone will eventually publish what is being transmitted.
And second, you're being overly paranoid. Would you rather that they don't enable features like recognizing what you already have installed? And you do realize that outgoing connections will also be needed to transmit local changes back to the iOS store for some reason or another (even if it just adding a review)? Until Apple actually demonstrates unethical user data collection I don't see any reason to assume the worst.
P.S. It isn't illegal.
TextWrangler has always been free, because it's basically the limited features "demo" version of BBEdit, and BBEdit costs almost 100 USD (and is worth every cent of it).
I probably wouldn't even use Twitter if they paid me for it, so I personally don't care. And I'd say the same about FaceBook, by the way.
Yes, but the AppStore version has a different license than the boxed retail version which still costs 200 bucks.
That's total nonsense and you know it. They could always have sold their software, so the real question is why some people have only now begun to charge for their apps. Does it have something to do with the AppStore membership fee that Apple charges?
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Did someone really start a thread complaining about developers charging for their work? Did someone really whine about shelling out a whopping 99 cents for an app?
People, it's not easy work being a developer. I know this just from my suckitude taking programming classes in college. The App Store is not "charitable developers looking to give away apps for the good of humanity." Holy crap, did you not see Apple's $6 billion in profit last quarter?
I must also point out such crazy things as Apple selling iWork in parts and cheaper than the iWork DVD set. Same goes with the discounts on Aperture and Apple Remote Desktop. As for third parties, nobody is stopping them from selling apps on their websites. The MAS is just going to boost sales for them because it's a central location and people are much more likely to trust Apple with payment information. I had never heard of more than 90 percent of what I've seen, so as a customer I'll take whatever mystical restrictions are out there.
People, it's not easy work being a developer. I know this just from my suckitude taking programming classes in college. The App Store is not "charitable developers looking to give away apps for the good of humanity." Holy crap, did you not see Apple's $6 billion in profit last quarter?
I must also point out such crazy things as Apple selling iWork in parts and cheaper than the iWork DVD set. Same goes with the discounts on Aperture and Apple Remote Desktop. As for third parties, nobody is stopping them from selling apps on their websites. The MAS is just going to boost sales for them because it's a central location and people are much more likely to trust Apple with payment information. I had never heard of more than 90 percent of what I've seen, so as a customer I'll take whatever mystical restrictions are out there.
Yes, but in the history of the world, there has always been at least one competing store where people could buy things that the other store wouldn't want to sell them.
And as we all know, for iOS, there is no alternative that works with devices that have not been jailbroken.
And as we also know, people cannot choose which Mac AppStore they want to use. 10.6.6 only comes with the Apple MacStore pre-installed. There is no dialogue box popping up that asks you whether you want to install the Mac AppStore or instead Bodega on your computer. But this box SHOULD be there, because Apple is clearly taking illegal advantage of their position as the developer of the operating system platform.
Microsoft had been sued to Kingdom Come for such business practices. I don't see a single reason why Apple should get away with it.
But there's hope: Belgium has already begun scrutinizing Apple's new business policies for the iOS AppStore that will be in effect beginning April 1, and more countries will follow. It's only a question of time when Apple has to rudder back or will be forced to open their ecosystem to others.
The topic of the conversation was the Mac App Store. There are hundreds or thousands of competing stores that can offer Mac Apps for sale.
By that, you point out that there are alternatives. Jailbreaking to install compatible apps is legal.
Android Market
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace
The Internet
Cydia
All are competeing stores for iOS App Store.
Of course they can choose what store they want to use. There are hundreds or even thousands of stores that you can use to purchase Mac Apps. Why does it matter if there is a pop up?
How is that illegal? They also include a mail client and a calculator.
Sure, but Microsoft was convicted of abusing their monopoly status. Adding the browser selection dialog was part of the remedy to offset their ill-begotten gains.
Apple is not a monopoly in the PC market. It's pretty simple.
That's pretty funny.
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Here's a like to the forums at the people who make Lil'Snitch.
http://forums.obdev.at/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5421
Can I drag some routine out of the system that proves my statement?
Nope! Don't have the ability, that's why i give you this link.
Can you see air?
If you want "free" there is a whole world of Open Source software. Much of it even runs on the Mac
For the most part the Open Source stuff is the best quality
Life is not free, so neither are the products of our hard work. If you don't wanna pay for something, then don't.