Not true. You can't very well complain about burglars when you don't install locks. The scheme that you mentioned is only possible on apps for which the developer choses not to implement Apple's ID mechanism for thwarting it.
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The mac store is nothing but greed.
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You're missing the point.
Developers should be paid for their work.
This is not an open store, but one that Apple censors. They are the gate keepers, so it's no longer up to the customer to decide amongst all apps, but instead only Apple approved apps under the guise of "protecting the user from bad software". Of course this is going to help sell hardware because Apple is dumbing down the process. That's where the greed on Apples part comes in. There is far better ways to sell more hardware than to dumb it down.
?? I'm not with you.
For me it's really cool, that there's a store where software developers can sell their software in a simple and convenient way. There's nothing wrong with it, when SW developers make money by selling their products!
Lingon used to be free now it costs 4eur. Not worth it. Will keep the free version or will edit plists manually. (anyway i've got the source code so it shouldn't be a problem, i.e. it was opensource)
I love the doom and gloom approach some people seem to have right now.
It's no different from iOS-- you could actually say that it spurns development, not hinders, as the number of available and pooled apps increase.
As per the cost, you do know that people need money to live, right? Donationware is tenuous as is; to assume most things should be free is just being naive, or actually, greedy on your part.
If the Mac App store really is the doom and gloom everyone makes it out to be, there's always the traditional venue of selling and purchasing apps-- there's no reason for there to be a "decline in mac development."
It's no different from iOS-- you could actually say that it spurns development, not hinders, as the number of available and pooled apps increase.
As per the cost, you do know that people need money to live, right? Donationware is tenuous as is; to assume most things should be free is just being naive, or actually, greedy on your part.
If the Mac App store really is the doom and gloom everyone makes it out to be, there's always the traditional venue of selling and purchasing apps-- there's no reason for there to be a "decline in mac development."
To add something to the understanding of the situation: Whenever you download an application X onto a Macintosh Y, Apple adds an electronic "receipt" that says exactly that: Application X was downloaded onto Macintosh Y. That receipt cannot be forged.
If the developer wants to prevent you from making copies of their application, they just need to check that there is a receipt, that it is for the application it is supposed to be for, and that it is for the Macintosh that it is running on. If your app is free, there is no point in checking. And the check cannot detect if you make five copies on the same Macintosh, although I don't quite know why you would do that.
If the developer by mistake doesn't check that the receipt matches the computer, then you can obviously put copies onto any computer without it being detected, so there is no effective copy protection at all. If the developer by mistake doesn't check that the receipt matches the application, then you can trick the application by downloading any app on the computer, so you have a valid receipt for the right computer but the wrong app, and then using that receipt.
That means: Nobody can just put an app onto some torrent where you can just copy it; you have to do work on your own computer. So you have to actively commit an act that should make it quite clear you are doing something illegal. And because you have to do that, it is also clear that you are committing a DMCA violation, which gets punished a lot harder than copyright infringement.
Censors? You mean they choose what products they carry? Like every other store in the history of the world?
Customers can still decide amongst all apps.
The App Store doesn't eliminate any choices.And who are you quoting?
Dumbing down the process? You mean making it easier? It the result in the same, isn't easier installation and updates better? Unless it's some sort of badge of honor to manage the process yourself.
This statement makes no sense. Apple is greedy because they aren't using the best way to sell more hardware?
I've never understood the concept of calling a company greedy, except when they take advantage of tragedy through price gouging.
The solution is simple- vote with your wallet! If you don't find an app to be worth the asking price, don't buy it. If nobody buys it, the author will surely make it better to justify the cost or somebody else can step in it's place.
Goodwill doesn't pay bills, money does! How anybody can shun a software developer for trying to make a buck is beyond me.
tl;dr if the software is worth buying, then buy it! Otherwise, don't.
Goodwill doesn't pay bills, money does! How anybody can shun a software developer for trying to make a buck is beyond me.
tl;dr if the software is worth buying, then buy it! Otherwise, don't.
I applaud most of you for taking the time to create reasonable rebuttals to the completely uninformed, unreasonable, and pointless opening post.
You're right. People are used to paying $1 for an app on iPhones, so the mac store makes it more acceptable to charge and yes many free apps will now cost a few bucks.
HOWEVER, it works the other way too. Really expensive software is likely to cost less (Aperture 3 being the prime example.)
So while it might cos a few more bucks for a small app, you're saving a lot of money on the expensive ones too.
HOWEVER, it works the other way too. Really expensive software is likely to cost less (Aperture 3 being the prime example.)
So while it might cos a few more bucks for a small app, you're saving a lot of money on the expensive ones too.
I haven't tried the App Store yet, but I see a good thing for the devs. I use an app almost daily that was 'sharewere' (remember those? If you like it you buy it to unlock the features or time limit). The dev told me that he didn't make much money from the app because people where pirating the software. So he stopped supporting the app.
With the App Store he can paid for the app and then support the app with updates and tech support. I don't see as this greed, other then making a living off one's work. :/ How is this wrong?
As for the App Store being dumb down?? I just see it easy for new users to get software, again what's wrong with that? Do you proud your self that you know how to find software from other places, and others don't? I don't get it. :/
Hugh
With the App Store he can paid for the app and then support the app with updates and tech support. I don't see as this greed, other then making a living off one's work. :/ How is this wrong?
As for the App Store being dumb down?? I just see it easy for new users to get software, again what's wrong with that? Do you proud your self that you know how to find software from other places, and others don't? I don't get it. :/
Hugh
Thank You
As the author of the previously mentioned one dollar application, I'd just like to thank the overwhelming majority of you guys for being reasonable and decent human beings.
As the author of the previously mentioned one dollar application, I'd just like to thank the overwhelming majority of you guys for being reasonable and decent human beings.
One thing I liked about the early computer days (Apple ][, DOS) was that if you didn't want to pay for an app, you always had the option to write one yourself!
Needed a simple graphing/display program on the Apple ][. None existed that I knew of, and even if one did I wouldn't have been able to afford it. Wrote my own!
Loved using Telix (modem communications program) on the PC. Didn't want to register the shareware version. So I wrote my own!
There was no grumbling or mumblings about stealing the app. It was like pioneering days. Just build one yourself!
That option still exists today. Want a utility? Don't want to pay for it? Learn to do some coding...
Needed a simple graphing/display program on the Apple ][. None existed that I knew of, and even if one did I wouldn't have been able to afford it. Wrote my own!
Loved using Telix (modem communications program) on the PC. Didn't want to register the shareware version. So I wrote my own!
There was no grumbling or mumblings about stealing the app. It was like pioneering days. Just build one yourself!
That option still exists today. Want a utility? Don't want to pay for it? Learn to do some coding...
Since you've been kind enough to single out one of our products, and thus -- to some extent -- me personally, let me clarify:
If you donated for Name Mangler when it was still donationware, you are eligible for a complimentary license. We can't do this via app store, I'm afraid, because there's simply no way to do crossgrades, but in addition to selling it on the app store, we do still distribute Name Mangler independently.
And if you haven't donated for Name Mangler and interpreted the label "donationware" as "free of charge", then let me put it this way: You're partially to blame for the fact that donationware simply doesn't work for small developers. I've tried for years, and believe me, I still love the concept in theory. In practice, though, we want to ensure further development, support, and our livelihoods. And that's actually possible with a reasonable fixed license fee, unlike simply hoping for donations.
Or, you know, it might make more expensive apps cheaper.
Or encourage more apps to be developed.
History sets no precedent to warrant your fear on any rational scale.
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How come nobody has mentioned that 10.6.6 contacts Apple (without your knowledge) with info about what apps are in your computer?
This is so Apple can tell you what updates you need.
This is great if I want to contact Apple to see what I need.
Do I want my machine to contact a software vendor without my permission? No
Do you want your machine to contact a software vendor without your permission?
Will or could this escalate to the establishment checking for info or connections that might go against the current laws.
You remember the 1984 commercial?
The door swings both ways....
How come nobody has mentioned that 10.6.6 contacts Apple (without your knowledge) with info about what apps are in your computer?
This is so Apple can tell you what updates you need.
This is great if I want to contact Apple to see what I need.
Do I want my machine to contact a software vendor without my permission? No
Do you want your machine to contact a software vendor without your permission?
Will or could this escalate to the establishment checking for info or connections that might go against the current laws.
You remember the 1984 commercial?
The door swings both ways....
What makes you think this claim is true? Apple only updates apps purchased through the Mac App Store. It does check to see if any apps are already installed on your computer, but this check is probably done locally.
Unless you can back up this ridiculous claim with a creditable source, it's purely fiction. You're welcome to express your opinion, but if you make a statement that something is fact, you'd better provide sources or your post may be removed.
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You are correct. If you think hard about the situation, it's a win-win-win for absolutely everyone.
so is this the end of try before you buy? NO TRIALS
This bothered my with the iPhone apps, then it was the iPad apps. You have to buy the stinking program just to figure out you dont like the interface, the this or that about it. So you go down the list to the next one that does the same thing but a bit different, and roll the dice again. Makes me want to just avoid the app store all together.
Bring back the 10-30 day trails. If I like it, I would even pay more then. I feel abused enough for all the programs I bought for my i-devices that I ended up using once and deleting.
And there not even trying to help with the sales page. They show you a handful of screenshots that are too small to see any useful info, YOU CAN'T even ZOOM IN!!!!
arggggg....sorry for the rant
This bothered my with the iPhone apps, then it was the iPad apps. You have to buy the stinking program just to figure out you dont like the interface, the this or that about it. So you go down the list to the next one that does the same thing but a bit different, and roll the dice again. Makes me want to just avoid the app store all together.
Bring back the 10-30 day trails. If I like it, I would even pay more then. I feel abused enough for all the programs I bought for my i-devices that I ended up using once and deleting.
And there not even trying to help with the sales page. They show you a handful of screenshots that are too small to see any useful info, YOU CAN'T even ZOOM IN!!!!
arggggg....sorry for the rant