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What describes you?

  • No way would I build a hackintosh

    Votes: 349 23.0%
  • I'd consider it if Apple doesn't provide a new Mini or headless iMac in the next three months

    Votes: 185 12.2%
  • I'm considering it right now

    Votes: 578 38.2%
  • I already built one

    Votes: 403 26.6%

  • Total voters
    1,515
Yeah that's a pretty decent cooling setup hehe! I'm not sure which model I have, is there a way to tell with OSX? I'll keep my eye on temps (Atm core's one and two are at 62, but that's because i've got house heating up to max lol)

The other good thing is my case, an Gigabyte 3D Aurora 570. Lots of space, and support for liquid cooling to boot.

If you have anything other than a G0 revision chip or I should say one with a tjMax (think it is called that) of 100C then you will not be getting a correct reading. The 45nm chips have a different way of reporting the sensors that make them unreliable and revision B? (tjMax 85C chips) are off by 15C to high.

2. by running that CPU at a pretty high clock rate you will probably knock off what.. 1-2 years of its total life span. especially on air and if it is running hot.

No one really keeps an overclocked chip that long to worry about it anyways we are always moving on to the next one...

a hackintosh will never be near the stability of a real mac.. my hackintosh crashes quite regularly, i cannot burn mp3 itunes discs etc and the list goes on. a bunch of people interested in hacking their PC will NEVER be as good as a company that invests millions and millions into the development of their hardware and software running as one.

Depends on the hardware used I guess the only time I have ever managed to get a kernel panic/crash in 11 months usins OS X was when doing it deliberately. Either by checking the jMicron IDE bug or when first getting my overclock working properly stressing the system.
 
yeh hopefully it will almost work perfect and have a good benchmark score. im going to put Leopard on the Raptor and then Vista on a partition on the 1TB drive.

Should be good I have that board it works great.

i dont know much about RAM speed so i thought id just go for 800 MHz which is pretty much the norm right now. what should i go for? i wanna overclock to 3 GHz so does the RAM speed have anything to do with this? the G.SKILL RAM has 4 timings so its plenty fast anyway.

You don't need the higher ram then that chip has an 8x multiplier so you only need ddr2 750mhz with the FSB running 1:1 which you want it would be 375mhz x8 =3000mhz.
i shouldve bought it when the $AU was $US0.90 but i wasnt certain on the parts and didnt have the funds… oh well!

Tell me about I'm just putting together a new build here and its costing me an extra $100+ as the Canadian dollar is in the tank too used to be at par one time...

Edit: I would give 3.2ghz a try running the FSB at 400mhz to match your ram that is a 45nm chip it should have a good chance at that stock volts air cooling.
 
^ so i dont need to go any higher than 800 MHz? what if i get 1066 MHz will it not be used to its full potential?

ok saw your edit there. good to know i can get to 3.2 without raising the voltage. i still dont get to 400mhz bit (basic i know) isnt the FSB on the board 1600mhz?
 
^ so i dont need to go any higher than 800 MHz? what if i get 1066 MHz will it not be used to its full potential?

Not really when overclocking you really want the ram to run 1:1 right, so if you go for 1066 ram to run it at 750 like you would getting 3ghz overclock it is a total waste. Now if you thought you could get that chip to 4ghz running a 500 FSB then it totally makes sense to have 1066 ram.
 
yeh hopefully it will work perfect and have a good benchmark score. im going to put Leopard on the Raptor and then Vista on a partition on the 1TB drive.

i dont know much about RAM speed so i thought id just go for 800 MHz which is pretty much the norm right now. what should i go for? i wanna overclock to 3 GHz so does the RAM speed have anything to do with this? the G.SKILL RAM has 4 timings so its plenty fast anyway.

its in $US at Newegg prices and a couple of Amazon prices. i was going to buy from the US with PriceUSA.com.au which adds 10% for shipping fees but the Aussie dollar is **** right now so its about $AU 2359. so i will either have to wait for the dollar to rise or buy it here which is about 2 grand. i shouldve bought it when the $AU was $US0.90 but i wasnt certain on the parts and didnt have the funds… oh well!

a rapter is a good idea for the OS, just dont bogg it down too much with crap!

yea dont buy from O'S atm, dont wait either. it will take at least 2 years for the price to come back up anywhere near where it was. if i were you i would try www.staticice.com.au to compare prices from all stores around australia.

www.itestate.com.au and www.umart.com.au are probably the most cheapest computer part stores in australia, if not the cheapest. i have bought from itestate many times, my hackintosh was built from them. cost me $500 (E4600 2.4ghz, 2gb 800mhz ram, 500gb hd, 8500GT etc). but yea dont buy overseas, its terrible at the moment!

No one really keeps an overclocked chip that long to worry about it anyways we are always moving on to the next one...

Depends on the hardware used I guess the only time I have ever managed to get a kernel panic/crash in 11 months usins OS X was when doing it deliberately. Either by checking the jMicron IDE bug or when first getting my overclock working properly stressing the system.

yea ok fair enough point, i will be keeping my CPU for a while though, i have it OC'd to 3ghz on air.. i like to keep a bunch of computers running because thats what i do, a guess some people have the money though to upgrade more often then i do.

never got a kernel crash on my hack, just gotten a whole bunch of annoying shutdowns, freezes and the like because of the hardware issues.
 
thanks
ok saw your edit there. good to know i can get to 3.2 without raising the voltage. i still dont get to 400mhz bit (basic i know) isnt the FSB on the board 1600mhz?

Your welcome there is a good chance getting the 3.2 without raising the voltage my Q6600 G0 chip does 3.15 at its stock voltage and the 45nm are supposed to be even better. The 400mhz is what your ram will be rated for DDR2 (400mhz x 2 for double data rate) that is made to run at a FSB of 400mhz. The board itself is rated to run a processor that has a 400mhz FSB quad pumped as they call it so 1600mhz total when using a processor like this your 400mhz ram would actually be running at its rated speed. The board also supports DDR2 ram rated to run 1333mhz or a FSB of ~666mhz. The ram and processor can run at these different speeds at the same time so you can put the 1600mhz processor and the 1333mhz ram in there at the same time and everything should work fine. Now if your not totally lost at this point the processor you have is a 333mhz FSB bus one (quad pumped it is 1333mhz) that is what the board will default to for it then it will default to the ram at 400mhz by using a multiplier of 2.4 (2.0 being 1:1 for these boards) when you first build it and turn it on. Once you have booted it then the fun starts and you get to change a couple BIOS settings so the FSB is raised from the default 333 to 400 then change the ram multiplier to 2.0 and you have 3.2ghz processor speed with the ram running at 800mhz like it is rated for.
 
guess some people have the money though to upgrade more often then i do.

I usually get most of my money (85-90%) back out of the parts when I sell them the trick is never keep it too long if it is not doing what you want then they still have a good resale value to them.
never got a kernel crash on my hack, just gotten a whole bunch of annoying shutdowns, freezes and the like because of the hardware issues.

Ahh sometimes hardware can be a real PITA.
 
i have a Lite-on ide dvd burner and i have noticed i have kernel panics about half the time i use it. has anyone else have the same issue?

i have a p35-ds3l board

only thing thats somewhat bugs me lol
 
i have a Lite-on ide dvd burner and i have noticed i have kernel panics about half the time i use it. has anyone else have the same issue?

i have a p35-ds3l board

only thing thats somewhat bugs me lol

That is your whole problem I bet try a SATA then the panics should go away, that jmicron IDE controller is junk strangely enough the SATA part of it worked flawlessly on any of the boards I have had with it.

Edit: SATA using AHCI I should have said never tried any other setting.
 
That is your whole problem I bet try a SATA then the panics should go away, that jmicron IDE controller is junk strangely enough the SATA part of it worked flawlessly on any of the boards I have had with it.

Edit: SATA using AHCI I should have said never tried any other setting.

i currently have my bios on ahci and sata but still no go. shame as my burner is a nice one

im thinking this may solve it, what do you think?
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=127611
 
i currently have my bios on ahci and sata but still no go. shame as my burner is a nice one

im thinking this may solve it, what do you think?
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=127611

But the drive is still connected to the IDE bus this is where the problem comes from. For that link it is possible it can work I have seen posts there from people saying they have no problems others have had no luck with the fixes its hit and miss.
 
But the drive is still connected to the IDE bus this is where the problem comes from. For that link it is possible it can work I have seen posts there from people saying they have no problems others have had no luck with the fixes its hit and miss.

lol yea. i will say im cautious installing kexts as i have too many times made it not work and had to start all over with everything

with that said, i am currently running rember and burning a cdrw at same time and typing this so all good at the moment lol
 
1. a macpro would be nice....however i must say that your hackintosh would never be near the build quality/looks quality nor stability quality of a pure mac. yes it may look good for a PC, you can make it look pretty with an expensive case and fans and whatnot, but a macpro it will not look like (unless you put it into a macpro, which would look nice). *dreams*

You're completely failing to consider that I might not want my system that looks even remotely like a Mac Pro. What I want is a stable system with a high price/performance ratio that runs OSX. My system satisfies those conditions. I've been running OSX for a year now without a single hiccup. Everything works just fine. Also, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that nobody can build a system matching the quality (setting aside the looks) of an Apple system? Most of the personally built systems I've experienced, including mine, are built far better, with much better cooling, than any manufactured system I've ever seen; including Apples systems which I happen to think are very nice.

2. by running that CPU at a pretty high clock rate you will probably knock off what.. 1-2 years of its total life span. especially on air and if it is running hot

Maybe. But my system doesn't run hot.

. a hackintosh will never be near the stability of a real mac.. my hackintosh crashes quite regularly, i cannot burn mp3 itunes discs etc and the list goes on. a bunch of people interested in hacking their PC will NEVER be as good as a company that invests millions and millions into the development of their hardware and software running as one.

I'm sorry you and a bunch of other people have problems with your Hacks. Mine works perfect. Not only does it work just fine but it performs significantly better than a similarly equipped Mac and cost significantly less. I'm just not seeing a single downside.

Additionally, every computer I've built has always been better than computers I've used or owned from companies that invest millions and millions into the development of their hardware and software.
 
snezzymarble, i apologise if you have already stated this in this thread but what is your cooling setup?

also, do you use a ide dvd drive? if so what kext are you using as i have the same mb

thanks
 
snezzymarble, i apologise if you have already stated this in this thread but what is your cooling setup?

also, do you use a ide dvd drive? if so what kext are you using as i have the same mb

thanks

I'm using a Thermaltake Ultra 120 Extreme heatsink with a Scythe 120mm fan. I don't use any IDE drives.
 
Back on Vista! :(

I don't know what happened, i thought i could try lower the CPU voltage from 1.45 to 1.35 to try drop the heat. Also changed from 8x to 9x. I did that, rebooted, was working fine temps down a little still same speed, all of a sudden firefox starts going glitchy and dock not magnifying. Rebooted, dropped voltage to 1.20, no boot, 1.30, no boot, 1.45 (defaults), no boot.

Resetted to optimised defaults in BIOS but it still won't boot. Tried in verbose, seems to be instantiating the login and EyeConnect thingies but it just boots to the pale blue OSX load screen, then retries to load eyeconnect and login ad nauseum.

Is there any way i can run a repair from the disk or anything? I don't know what to do. Vista still works fine so i didn't fry my CPU.
 
You guys are funny, i express my own opinion about os x and several of you promtly tell me my opinion is incorrect. I love fanboys.

i have a Lite-on ide dvd burner and i have noticed i have kernel panics about half the time i use it. has anyone else have the same issue?

i have a p35-ds3l board

only thing thats somewhat bugs me lol
Have you checked the Console for error messages? There is also a terminal command you can run that trows a bunch of diagnostics stuff on the screen when there is a kernel panic but i forget what it is. I fi can remember ill let you know.
 
Back on Vista! :(

I don't know what happened, i thought i could try lower the CPU voltage from 1.45 to 1.35 to try drop the heat. Also changed from 8x to 9x. I did that, rebooted, was working fine temps down a little still same speed, all of a sudden firefox starts going glitchy and dock not magnifying. Rebooted, dropped voltage to 1.20, no boot, 1.30, no boot, 1.45 (defaults), no boot.

Your signature says you have a Q6600 @ 3.04ghz I have had three none of them required any more voltage than its default VID to reach 3ghz using a simple change to the FSB to 334mhz to get it. So I think your voltages were a little high to start with there if you try to overclock again think about leaving the voltage as it is.
Resetted to optimised defaults in BIOS but it still won't boot.

After a failure like this I would think fail-safe defaults would be better. Either of these options will at the very least reset the HPET to 32bit instead of the 64bit it should be so I would check that and make sure that the SATA is set to AHCI again plus any other changes you had to make are back in place and if your BIOS has a feature to save individual configurations once you have it correct save a configuration of it.
Tried in verbose, seems to be instantiating the login and EyeConnect thingies but it just boots to the pale blue OSX load screen, then retries to load eyeconnect and login ad nauseum.

Is there any way i can run a repair from the disk or anything? I don't know what to do. Vista still works fine so i didn't fry my CPU.

Using -s to boot to single user mode then following the instructions to mount / r/w followed by a fsck of the file system would probably be in order and if it will let you diskutil repairPermissions /.
Have you checked the Console for error messages? There is also a terminal command you can run that trows a bunch of diagnostics stuff on the screen when there is a kernel panic but i forget what it is. I fi can remember ill let you know.

debug=0x144 added to the com.apple.Boot.plist or used as a parameter during boot typed in at the Darwin boot loader.
 
You're completely failing to consider that I might not want my system that looks even remotely like a Mac Pro. What I want is a stable system with a high price/performance ratio that runs OSX. My system satisfies those conditions. I've been running OSX for a year now without a single hiccup. Everything works just fine. Also, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous of you to assume that nobody can build a system matching the quality (setting aside the looks) of an Apple system? Most of the personally built systems I've experienced, including mine, are built far better, with much better cooling, than any manufactured system I've ever seen; including Apples systems which I happen to think are very nice.

yes i gathered that you do not want a system that looks like a macpro, otherwise you would have either bought one or put it into a MP case of some-sort.

can i ask what you use your hack for?? it would be interesting to know, because maybe the things i do on mine would cause your system to stutter, freeze etc, or many the programs you run will work perfectly on mine :)

in regards to the quality of the apple machines, of course i know that they are not the best.. come on they are made by a bunch of computers and poorly paid people that work hard day in and day out, there is going to be mistakes made! (no offence to anyone). i was referring to the looks department, but you dont really care about that so let's dismiss it.





Maybe. But my system doesn't run hot.

that is fair enough, a good cooling system is always required :) can i ask what temperatures your hack runs at while idle/under load? there is a pretty big difference between the c2d and xeons in max temperature ratings. this is important for high-end OC'ing and changing the voltages etcetc. you probably wouldnt get near the limit though im guessing, if your cooling system is good enough.

I'm sorry you and a bunch of other people have problems with your Hacks. Mine works perfect. Not only does it work just fine but it performs significantly better than a similarly equipped Mac and cost significantly less. I'm just not seeing a single downside.

my problems have been minimal. i had a hiccup (because of my inexperience) with the gpu, just had to find the right driver. it now works as i would expect from any other computer. i cannot change the resolution for some odd reason, otherwise it will just give me a blue screen. a restart fixes it :).

i must agree, my $500AUS (like $300US) hack OC'd to 3ghz from 2.4ghz performs a tad better than my imac which cost around 5 times the amount. it will fold better, it will convert videos better, but when it comes to the crunch it just doesnt feel like a real mac. for instance:
• itunes on the imac will load in under 1 bounce
• on the hack it will take 3 bounces, even though it is clocked higher etcetc. there is no difference in RAM speed, no difference in HD speed.. its just small things like that.

Additionally, every computer I've built has always been better than computers I've used or owned from companies that invest millions and millions into the development of their hardware and software.

well, seeing as though all you did was buy the hardware, and buy the software.. you have hardly done any work have you? the modified kernel that must be used for the hackintosh's (IMO) will never be at the same level of precision as apples, purely because apple knows their hardware, they know what they are doing etc. the software is written for specific hardware, where as with a hackintosh it is written for a general hardware set, it may not be able to support every motherboard out there..meh idk
 
can i ask what you use your hack for?? it would be interesting to know, because maybe the things i do on mine would cause your system to stutter, freeze etc, or many the programs you run will work perfectly on mine :)

I use mine for encoding from dvd, listening to music, watching TV and video sometimes all at once never have any problems.
in regards to the quality of the apple machines, of course i know that they are not the best.. come on they are made by a bunch of computers and poorly paid people that work hard day in and day out, there is going to be mistakes made! (no offence to anyone). i was referring to the looks department, but you dont really care about that so let's dismiss it.

Exactly and contrary to what some people seem to think Apple has no special magic making the hardware put in their machines either for the most part it is the same bunch of usual suspects in Asia making and assembling it as everyone else uses.

that is fair enough, a good cooling system is always required :) can i ask what temperatures your hack runs at while idle/under load? there is a pretty big difference between the c2d and xeons in max temperature ratings. this is important for high-end OC'ing and changing the voltages etcetc. you probably wouldnt get near the limit though im guessing, if your cooling system is good enough.

My Q6600 usually runs low 40s C never seen 60C under full load on all four cores. I'm using the Thermaltake Ultra 120 Extreme with a Sycthe fan the default voltage on my chip is extremely low at 1.2125 this is what I run it at getting 3.15ghz on the overclock.

my problems have been minimal. i had a hiccup (because of my inexperience) with the gpu, just had to find the right driver. it now works as i would expect from any other computer. i cannot change the resolution for some odd reason, otherwise it will just give me a blue screen. a restart fixes it :).

You say driver here so have you not tried the EFIStudio to use a sting instead? It may be able to get all the features of your card working better.

well, seeing as though all you did was buy the hardware, and buy the software.. you have hardly done any work have you? the modified kernel that must be used for the hackintosh's (IMO) will never be at the same level of precision as apples, purely because apple knows their hardware, they know what they are doing etc. the software is written for specific hardware, where as with a hackintosh it is written for a general hardware set, it may not be able to support every motherboard out there..meh idk

Apple is writing for the chipset on the devices the same as anyone else does get the right chipset in there then your devices will work the same. Most people installing now use the same vanilla kernel that Apple does, the vast majority of the drivers if you could call them that are simply hacks adding an EFI string to the existing Apple .kext
 
I use mine for encoding from dvd, listening to music, watching TV and video sometimes all at once never have any problems.

oh ok, so nothing intense really. may i ask what is your reasoning behind spending all that money on a machine that will rarely get put through its paces? i use my machine for converting my vast amount of dvd's to my HD's (for watching on the tv upstairs), folding, playing a few basic games, creating HD video using FCP, doing assignments and the usual itunes safari etc.

Exactly and contrary to what some people seem to think Apple has no special magic making the hardware put in their machines either for the most part it is the same bunch of usual suspects in Asia making and assembling it as everyone else uses.

no, not at all. apple is just another company who employs people like everyone else. the workers aren't secret 'ninja apple' workers who can build a computer perfectly every single time haha.


My Q6600 usually runs low 40s C never seen 60C under full load on all four cores. I'm using the Thermaltake Ultra 120 Extreme with a Sycthe fan the default voltage on my chip is extremely low at 1.2125 this is what I run it at getting 3.15ghz on the overclock.

ok that is not too bad, its just that the c2d are rated at something like 71°C max, where are the xeonx are 82°C. any hotter and you would need liquid :p

You say driver here so have you not tried the EFIStudio to use a sting instead? It may be able to get all the features of your card working better.

yes i have tried EFIStudio, from my experience that software is a piece of crap. i installed with no drivers on the GPU, had basic res (640x480), then installed EFIStudio and it stopped it from working completely! i had to find a different program called NVKush i think..

of all the programs/kexts that have successfully worked they have never been able to successfully change the resolution. the only way i can fix it is by turning on remote desktop, then remoting into the computer and manually deleting the kext. i just leave it now it works fine as is.

Apple is writing for the chipset on the devices the same as anyone else does get the right chipset in there then your devices will work the same. Most people installing now use the same vanilla kernel that Apple does, the vast majority of the drivers if you could call them that are simply hacks adding an EFI string to the existing Apple .kext

yes but there is a difference, hackintoshes are running a BIOS while 'true' macs are running under EFI. i dont fully understand the difference between this so i cant really comment.
 
oh ok, so nothing intense really. may i ask what is your reasoning behind spending all that money on a machine that will rarely get put through its paces? i use my machine for converting my vast amount of dvd's to my HD's (for watching on the tv upstairs), folding, playing a few basic games, creating HD video using FCP, doing assignments and the usual itunes safari etc.

Well when I first had the chip I was still using Debian GNU/Linux last year so I was compiling kernels, various newer versions of software I wanted so it was getting a real workout most days. Days at a time really sometimes so it came in damn handy now a days it is pretty much wasted but I am not going to take the loss selling off what was a damn expensive processor when it was bought. Add to that the low voltage high overclock at that voltage I think I am running it till it dies now...


no, not at all. apple is just another company who employs people like everyone else. the workers aren't secret 'ninja apple' workers who can build a computer perfectly every single time haha.

:)


ok that is not too bad, its just that the c2d are rated at something like 71°C max, where are the xeonx are 82°C. any hotter and you would need liquid :p

Yeah it is pretty good once we get into the middle of winter in a few months it will be in the low 30s.

yes i have tried EFIStudio, from my experience that software is a piece of crap. i installed with no drivers on the GPU, had basic res (640x480), then installed EFIStudio and it stopped it from working completely! i had to find a different program called NVKush i think..

Hmm that is strange I only ever used it with two cards my Geforce 7900GS KO and 8800GT but it worked great for both of them. Don't think I seen it what do you have for a card?

of all the programs/kexts that have successfully worked they have never been able to successfully change the resolution. the only way i can fix it is by turning on remote desktop, then remoting into the computer and manually deleting the kext. i just leave it now it works fine as is.

That is my motto whatever it takes to get the job done do it, you wouldn't believe some of the hacks I had going in Debian...

yes but there is a difference, hackintoshes are running a BIOS while 'true' macs are running under EFI. i dont fully understand the difference between this so i cant really comment.

It is similar to a BIOS without the legacy crud. The EFI has a table of strings for the supported hardware and their capabilities that gets passed to the operating system when posting the machine. All that happens when using a hack is these strings are loaded (injected) then via emulation the system calls are translated to something the BIOS would understand if it is needed most times after posting a machine will not need access to it anyways and will just use the information it already has from the string.
 
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