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Myself and my wife took out the 7 day free trial and binged all 5 episodes and loved it. Its a great show. It's slightly trashy but entertaining with great performances. Doesn't have to be anything more. Audience score versus critics is very telling.
 
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I'll say this — I have a small stack of awards screeners sitting on my desk and it's growing each day, but none of them are (yet) from Apple. If they want to get recognized, they need to increase their access and visibility among the folks who drive it, because there is a ton of content out there that viewers are being asked to consider.

It's certainly worked for Netflix (who I might add, has one of the more aggressive awards strategies, offering voters 3 free service months, in addition to physical screeners of some of their top entries and even those arrived early. And last year, their in-person screenings pulled out every single stop... food, drinks, interactive displays, commemorate blankets and occasionally David Harbour. Although to be fair, he may have just been there for the food and drinks...)

Apple just seems new to all of this and perhaps operates under the assumption that attaching their logo (and Steven Spielberg) to things entails some sort of obligatory praise, regardless of what follows. But they are starting from ground zero in this endeavor and all indications are that they are still somewhat behind the curve when it comes to navigating the ins and outs of content creation. It's going to take more than simply launching a service at this point to generate sustained buzz.
I’m sure Apple appreciates your concern, but I'm pretty sure they’ll be ok.

They’ll hit the Emmys hard next year and I’ll be very surprised if they don’t rack up some additional hardware :)
 
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You’re watching it wrong
“You’re watching it wrong.”
I guess they are just holding it wrong.
If Steve were still here: “You’re not watching it right.”
:rolleyes: Jobs never said “you’re holding it wrong”.

He actually said “just avoid holding it in that way”.

See the difference? The actual quote has neither the accusatory tone nor the victim blaming that makes the fabricated quote so appealing to some. In the terse, efficient, no BS manner that’s so typical of Jobs (especially in email replies) he not only acknowledges the problem, albeit tacitly, but offers the user an eminently practical solution.
 
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Critics are critics, Sometimes they get it right and sometimes don't

Rotten Tomatoes: batwoman 73% audience 12%

Watchmen 96% audience 43%

So far it looks like big audience are liking the Apple shows, actually all of them. They have surprisingly high launch lineup and more (servant) coming already next week.

Some people talk lot about Apple needing back catalog, i don't think they need. They are building very strong foundation for their service with very strong shows. And eventually that's going to be their Big selling point.

Think about netflix it's full of crap, and propably lot of shows which very few ever watch. And they put out more and more shows and movies all the time.

I like the fact that Apple TV+ only have few shows. It's easy to follow and even start watching all the shows. Which Exactly i'm doing currently and propably many others too.

Next week we can start watching completely new show and december too and i'm going to start watching both of the new shows, based on what i've experienced so far with the Apple TV+
 
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Hahaha.. Always there are critics, even Jesus Christ has a lot of critics... what I find amusing is that the producers reacting to this critics :) i thought since they are in this business for a long time already they already have the balls to suck it up and man up.
 
Hahaha.. Always there are critics, even Jesus Christ has a lot of critics... what I find amusing is that the producers reacting to this critics :) i thought since they are in this business for a long time already they already have the balls to suck it up and man up.

Not an invalid point, but one wonders if you would 'man-up' if you felt that your creative efforts were being unjustly criticised based on factors other than the results of your creative efforts. Remember these guys are not Apple.
 
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i thought since they are in this business for a long time already they already have the balls to suck it up and man up.

It just shows that they believe in their show. I don't understand the critics towards these shows. Every shows have very different opinion from the audience, it's really weird seeing such a high difference with critics and audience, i would understand it for one show.

So it's good move from makers to open their mouth.

I wonder what those critics now think when they noticing audience feeling very different. Going to be interesting to see reviews for the next two new shows.
 
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Critics are critics, Sometimes they get it right and sometimes don't

Rotten Tomatoes: batwoman 73% audience 12%

Watchmen 96% audience 43%

So far it looks like big audience are liking the Apple shows, actually all of them. They have surprisingly high launch lineup and more (servant) coming already next week.

Some people talk lot about Apple needing back catalog, i don't think they need. They are building very strong foundation for their service with very strong shows. And eventually that's going to be their Big selling point.

Think about netflix it's full of crap, and propably lot of shows which very few ever watch. And they put out more and more shows and movies all the time.

I like the fact that Apple TV+ only have few shows. It's easy to follow and even start watching all the shows. Which Exactly i'm doing currently and propably many others too.

Next week we can start watching completely new show and december too and i'm going to start watching both of the new shows, based on what i've experienced so far with the Apple TV+
Wow - and I hate both Batwoman and Watchmen with a burning passion. Huh. I guess I’ll just watch shows with high audience scores then. I’m not an auteur but I know good entertainment when I see it. I don’t watch TV for the art - I go to museums for that.
 
Critics are critics, Sometimes they get it right and sometimes don't

Rotten Tomatoes: batwoman 73% audience 12%

Watchmen 96% audience 43%

So far it looks like big audience are liking the Apple shows, actually all of them. They have surprisingly high launch lineup and more (servant) coming already next week.

Some people talk lot about Apple needing back catalog, i don't think they need. They are building very strong foundation for their service with very strong shows. And eventually that's going to be their Big selling point.

Think about netflix it's full of crap, and propably lot of shows which very few ever watch. And they put out more and more shows and movies all the time.

I like the fact that Apple TV+ only have few shows. It's easy to follow and even start watching all the shows. Which Exactly i'm doing currently and propably many others too.

Next week we can start watching completely new show and december too and i'm going to start watching both of the new shows, based on what i've experienced so far with the Apple TV+

The thing is many simply don’t know what to watch (think Netflix) and settle on something mindless like Friends. This show led the Netflix views mostly because it’s just mindless comfort tv for many.

Eventually apple will have too much content as well to discover. Right now it’s easy to talk about just 4-5 shows.

Netflix has so much that instead of taking time to go through it you just say it’s all junk. Hardly any of the content is hyped. You’re just browsing endless shows reading the description. Screw it where’s Friends ? Lol.
 
No interest in any shows yet - especially this one
I have Amazon prime video and they had a few series I liked
The Amazon advantage is the selection is large so I had a few I liked
I wish AAPL the best in this content area but need to be more prolific across the selection spectrum
Hopefully in the future AAPL will put out a great show I would watch
 
This type of misinformed (at best) opinion is why some of the hate
Sure there is. Content is king. Disney has a century of content. They don't need apple so they have all the negotiating power. They can keep all the money for themselves. Apple did go to all the companies and try to license content. Nobody would play ball. They don't need to.
Which is why all companies are pulling their shows back from Netflix, hulu and amazon and launching their own streaming services. Any why Netflix and amazon are working so hard on originals. Content is power.

Why won't you just buy them? like the entire Business? Isn't that would you will do if you are really serious about content business? Isn't that exactly what Disney did with Fox, ATT with Warner media ? cause they were serious about acquiring content... why would do this half ass Microsoft Zune move?

They certainly have the $$ to pull off a $300B M&A(Entire Disney is worth $250-260B)...lets not forget that Disney is a money making machine... so its not a WeWork, Uber business... so the real value is far more than what you will be paying for buy them..

Staring your own streaming with 8 shows in not a business in 2019... its a marketing/PR stunt..
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100% true. I see haters on Macrumors EVERYDAY that are foaming at the mouth to see AppleTV+ fail. I also see them on Twitter and in the media.
AppleTV+ can't fail...to fail this needs to be a business first.. starting streaming with 8 show is not a business. ..make it a business first and then we can talk about how successful it is..
 
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AppleTV+ can't fail...to fail this needs to be a business first.. starting streaming with 8 show is not a business. ..make it a business first and then we can talk about how successful it is..

That’s one stupid comment, of course it’s business. I don’t see how amount of content have anything to do with that?
 
That’s one stupid comment, of course it’s business. I don’t see how amount of content have anything to do with that?
Care you explain how thats a business, considering Apple is ready to give it free +250 million times in one year?
YOU have to be really stupid to pay for 8 shows every month + one/two monthly drop. You might as well buy the shows if you really like them and still save $$....but wait.. you can't buy them as well...cause this is not a real business...
 
Care you explain how thats a business, considering Apple is ready to give it free +250 million times in one year?

So any service which gives a free trial isn’t considered a real business?

YOU have to be really stupid to pay for 8 shows every month + one/two monthly drop. You might as well buy the shows if you really like them and still save $$....but wait.. you can't buy them as well...cause this is not a real business...

I can’t buy any of the shows on Netflix either. Does this mean Netflix isn’t a real business?
 
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So any service which gives a free trial isn’t considered a real business?



I can’t buy any of the shows on Netflix either. Does this mean Netflix isn’t a real business?

Your comment shows how much(actually how little) you know about content business. Just because YOU can't buy *any* shows of Netflix doesn't mean don't they sell it.. Pro tip: Try amazon.com for dvd/blue or Apple iTunes Store/Amazon for digital copies..they even license out their content on television channel across the world... no one leaves money on the table... Just because you can't...
 
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Care you explain how thats a business, considering Apple is ready to give it free +250 million times in one year?
YOU have to be really stupid to pay for 8 shows every month + one/two monthly drop. You might as well buy the shows if you really like them and still save $$....but wait.. you can't buy them as well...cause this is not a real business...
What makes you think Apple is going to give TV+ away anywhere near 250 million times in one year lol?

And Apple doesn’t have any obligation to sell their original content anywhere they don’t want to. Right now, it’s only available on the Apple TV+ service. But Apple can decide to offer it for sale at some later date if they wish, right?
 
What makes you think Apple is going to give TV+ away anywhere near 250 million times in one year lol?

And Apple doesn’t have any obligation to sell their original content anywhere they don’t want to. Right now, it’s only available on the Apple TV+ service. But Apple can decide to offer it for sale at some later date if they wish, right?
250 M = yearly iPhone + Mac sales, I didn't even consider the AM student plan or the other screens like iPad.

Sure, I think they will do the usual content business thing when this actually becomes a content business for them. ATM this is a just a middle of nothing, a best half hearted effort, PR at best effort - don't blame them. There is nothing apple about these shows.. they have the ex Sony guys acquiring content.. thats it.. they haven't done any gangster moves to show that they are really into it.. what the @$^@#% they were doing when the world was buying HBO and FOX? The whole media landscape has change in last 24-36 month and Apple decided to sit on the sideline. They did the opposite with music, bought beats, got real talent and see where are they now in streaming...usually a pole or podium position in every market?
 
250 M = yearly iPhone + Mac sales, I didn't even consider the AM student plan or the other screens like iPad.

Sure, I think they will do the usual content business thing when this actually becomes a content business for them. ATM this is a just a middle of nothing, a best half hearted effort, PR at best effort - don't blame them. There is nothing apple about these shows.. they have the ex Sony guys acquiring content.. thats it.. they haven't done any gangster moves to show that they are really into it.. what the @$^@#% they were doing when the world was buying HBO and FOX? The whole media landscape has change in last 24-36 month and Apple decided to sit on the sideline. They did the opposite with music, bought beats, got real talent and see where are they now in streaming...usually a pole or podium position in every market?
Apple never said they were going to run the one year free deal for a full year; it could end at any time.

But I think you misunderstand their intentions. They’re not trying to become a huge media company; if that’s what they wanted they could buy AT&T, Comcast, Viacom or Disney. They’re not interested.
 
Apple never said they were going to run the one year free deal for a full year; it could end at any time.

But I think you misunderstand their intentions. They’re not trying to become a huge media company; if that’s what they wanted they could buy AT&T, Comcast, Viacom or Disney. They’re not interested.

So honest question here, what are they trying to become? What are their intentions?
 
So honest question here, what are they trying to become? What are their intentions?
As far as I can tell, initially they’re content to offer more value to those buying into the iPad/iPhone/Mac/AppleTV ecosystem. Five years from now when they have hundreds of titles, it’ll be a legit service that can also generate revenue. Like Arcade, they’re leveraging their installed base of 1.5 billion (upwards of 2 billion by 2025) devices to create a revenue stream.

The slow build can’t be seen as anything other than intentional, since they decided not to license any additional video content to supplement their original content. They could have done that, like Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/HBO/Showtime do.
 
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