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But, it saves me time. And, that's the point of a review, right? Should I spend hours watching this? Or should I watch something else?
It only takes around 2 hours to tell if you like a show or not. This is an amazing show and worth 10 hours+
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Why is it that when Hollywood releases subpar material, they blame some group of "haters" for low ratings or profitability?
It isn't subpar at all. It's, in my opinion, the best TV being made right now.
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253 user ratings isn’t a very large/good sample and can be “quick defenders” trying offset critics responses.

I don’t listen to critics and give most shows a chance so I guess we’ll see.
That number is much higher now - those screencaps are old.
 
Really? I've seen some people here that are huge Apple fans that do not like the show. This is a bit ridiculous.
Its about who's the target audience for which show. People in this forum believe everything Apple does is targeted at them. That's certainly not true with TV shows, music and games. Not everyone will like all shows. The question is, for the kind of show a person likes, does Apple TV match provide good content. As far as rotten tomatoes goes, people who watched the shows they were interested in, loved the show.
 
This proves nothing. Have you ever heard of fake reviews/ratings? Companies buy them all the time. There's a "black market" that sells them. I know where to buy them. YouTube likes/comments, Facebook/instagram likes, amazon reviews, yelp reviews, etc. With apple being a marketing powerhouse and with the recent incident of game of thrones, I think they were prepared in advanced to handle any negative feedback. I'm not confirming apple faking user reviews, I'm just saying these can be bought/faked for cheap, so these "user" reviews are not nesesarily proof of anything.
I'm a user and I give all these shows 10 stars out of 10. There are many positive comments being made in this topic here for you to compare to. I think that's a good sample size.
 
I’ve really enjoyed the show so far. It’s too bad Apple didn’t team up with Disney to begin with since they were on Apples board up until they decided to create their own streaming service.
 
I'm willing to pay the monthly rate for "For All Mankind" alone, since it's so darn good! Don't need any other shows...
Oh yeah. FAM is friggin amazing. I am astonished at the realism of the effects, the CGI is completely real looking to me. In fact, the CGI in For All Mankind absolutely blows away the CGI of the ships in Mandalorian (which I just watched last night). The CGI in mandalorian looks plastic, the CGI in FAM (moon/rocket launches) is incredible looking. And this is in addition to the incredible picture quality in all the Apple shows (and FAM) - the fact that it looks this good despite the higher bit rate is something to talk about.

I'm just impressed that a complete TV newcomer like Apple can handily beat out Disney in this arena.
 
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Folks, don't comment on the show if you haven't seen the show. I am one of those 95% that actually enjoy it. It's excellent writing and story telling IMHO. The acting is top notch and the character development keeps you guessing as to where their part of the story is going to go. I can't wait for the sixth episode.
 
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This is true of a lot of Apple-anything. People will go out of their way to scrutinise or find something to hate whereas they wouldn't spend anywhere near the same amount of effort for any other newly released streaming service, or speaker, or TV, or headphones...

Eventually like a tired toddler they wear themselves out once they realise people will use the products despite their tantrum, and within a few years, it'll be ubiquitous in society and nobody will care any more. Until the next thing Apple release.
And it goes the opposite way. People will go out of their way to PRAISE something to love, even if it isn't good. Haven't watched it myself since I am boycotting Apple TV+. No I don't hate Apple and want them to fail but I am doing what everyone on the board says to do. Use your wallet to show Apple what you like/dislike. I just don't think they should have gone into the video entertainment industry. I would rather they spend more time focusing towards Mac Hardware, OS X (still can't call it MacOS) and Pro Creator software.
 
This reminds me of when the iPhone was released in 2007, many many critics said that Apple was doomed to fail, they said the same with the iPad, and Apple Watch but in the end They were proven wrong. I’ve been a fan of Apple for as long as I can remember, and there’s a lot of things that I like about them, there are things I dislike as well. As far as TV+ is concerned, I think Apple is on the right track, and they have a lot of room to grow as viewership increases. Just like with any other company, if the offerings are good, people will buy it, if not people will avoid it. This is all a case of find something to complain about, then put it out there for everyone to see. It’s kind of stupid.
 
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And it goes the opposite way. People will go out of their way to PRAISE something to love, even if it isn't good. Haven't watched it myself since I am boycotting Apple TV+. No I don't hate Apple and want them to fail but I am doing what everyone on the board says to do. Use your wallet to show Apple what you like/dislike. I just don't think they should have gone into the video entertainment industry. I would rather they spend more time focusing towards Mac Hardware, OS X (still can't call it MacOS) and Pro Creator software.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I think I'll buy a friend of mine a year of Apple TV+ to help make up the shortfall from your boycott.
 
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I think I'll buy a friend of mine a year of Apple TV+ to help make up the shortfall from your boycott.
I don't have to watch for the door, since I never entered it... but thank you kind sir for your concern.
 
No. If Rotten Tomatoes is anything to go by, the viewers love it.

It's the critics who are being, er, critical.

I always judge movies etc by the audience score, not the critics score.

That’s a better barometer of the value of a show - what the viewers say, not the critics.

I say that as one who used to be employed as a TV critic. We were supposed to find the flaws or otherwise come up with something interesting to say. You know, for the clicks.

When I’m thinking about watching something new I always go by audience scores.
 
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The series is just plain awful. As a big Apple admirer, on the contrary I wanted to really like the show, but it is truly horrendous. While it is technically okay, the story, acting and editing is just horrible.
Review of episode one says it all: https://www.tvore.com/?page=episode&id=23461

And I am so bored by the comments of showrunners who cannot accept that they simply failed artistically and come up with lame excuses such as people "wanting to" dislike the series because of the studio. Please, find me a single person on this planet who likes or dislikes movies or series based on the studio... What a bunch of BS. And the comment on "the people" loving it? Sure, I can find people hating The Godfather and loving The Room, that will not make them right. Please.

But on another note, while I think The Morning Show just sucks, I still believe Apple TV+ will, on the long run, blow away the competition. You cannot just start with a show that will have the same impact as Game of Thrones. Things take time.
Actually as far as reviews went, that was kind of lazy. I’m fine with people being critical of the show. I just think that review wasn’t one of the better efforts I’ve seen. They just kind of list off what they don’t like but don’t really explain why.

I think showing Mitch in the aftermath of his horrendous decisions is key to making a character we can become invested in.

Watching a man be a cheating rat who possibly was abusing his position of power would have sunk the character. That would just have injected too much baggage to make him sympathetic to anybody in this day and age.

Too many people would automatically cancel him and close their minds to what might be going on in his mind. If we were already seeing his lovely wife and children and have seen him actively betraying them, how could we find it in us to give him any kind of chance.

Instead, we see him through his talk show partner’s eyes, and how much he means to her. And we walk in on him suffering. He actually gets a chance to grab our attention in a way we wouldn’t if we came into his life before, as the reviewer suggested we should have.

There’s hearsay about what he did. So now we are left to wonder, how bad was it? How bad does he think it was? Why does he not see what was so bad about what he did?

And that is where the show takes over. We see the answers to these questions start to play out. We meet one of his victims. But then we see there’s questions about her character and motivations. How was she hurt? Was she really hurt? She’s a consenting adult, isn’t she? Or was there something in her environment that isn’t so clear, that played a part in making her see it as coercion, but Mitch could honestly and legitimately not see it that way. Could they both be right? Could they both be wrong?

You can kind of see this show isn’t going to make it easy when Bradley goes to interview the people over the coal protests. She points out there are impacts to the environment that are horrible. But the loss of jobs leave an impact, too. She wants the dialogue between both sides that is currently missing in our public discourse.

We’ve gotten used to a society where we take a position and demonize the opposite side. This show is going to examine counterproductive that is.

And at the same time it is going to call out the horrendous treatment of women, especially in entertainment/media and especially as they age.

I can see a lot of people already railing against the “political agenda” of this show. But it really isn’t that. It’s just showing something that has long been obvious and frustrating to women. We see men paired up romantically and as leading men and talk show partners to women 20 and even 30 years their junior.

But God forbid an aging woman be allowed to anchor a partnership of any kind with even a male peer. On the rare occasions it did happen in the past it was noteworthy.

I hope the fact Linda Hamilton was brought back in all her rugged aged beauty for the recent Terminator movie is a sign things are changing.

I find it interesting going forth to see how Jennifer Aniston’s character deals with her age in the job she has in the still male dominated environment she is in.

There are other characters who hold a lot of promise. Her producer, whose name escapes me at the moment, looks all kinds of haggard and beat to death caught between her and that shark played by Billy Crudup. He’s got the potential to become one of my favorite characters.

lol I make no secret how furious I am with Tim Cook for a lot of things. So I don’t want to like Apple right now. But I have to say I like what I’ve seen of Apple TV+ so far. It’s not the cluster cluck I was worried it could be. In my humble opinion of course.
 
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The only thing that is going to matter is how many paying subscribers Apple TV has after they end the free year and into multiple years down the road because in the end Apple like every other business on the planet is geared towards profits.

Streaming services can see what people are watching, whether they watch for 5 minutes or for the whole thing and whether they watch something multiple times etc. Ratings, reviews and posts don't tell them anything they are interested in.
 
I am an Apple fan and this show is beyond awful. No real plot, character development- terrible all around
 
I don't mind the show. Yes it is highly predictable, but it is a decent watch. Witherspoon is very good in it.

To the question if Apple can really make a dent in streaming. My guess is they will eventually bundle services together making it an easier sell. The other thing to really watch is Netflix. They have a mountain of debt and many new challengers. At some point consolidation will occur and guess who happens to have a huge pile of cash?
 
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While For All Mankind is definitely my favorite ATV+ show thus far (still have not watched See yet), The Morning Show is pretty decent. It's not a show where I'm anxiously waiting for the next episode to be released, but it's good enough.
 
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While For All Mankind is definitely my favorite ATV+ show thus far (still have not watched See yet), The Morning Show is pretty decent. It's not a show where I'm anxiously waiting for the next episode to be released, but it's good enough.

As for For All Mankind, how old are you? Did you live through the actual events or were they simply something you read about in a history book while at school? It makes a huge difference when the one watching the series actually lived through the period. This alt-history tripe is an affront to the thousands of men and women who dedicated their lives to landing an American on the Moon. Turns out the Russians weren’t even close to a landing, and have never even attempted one since. So will weak minded people who are prone to accepting conspiracy theories think this series is an actual documentary? We already have the faked moon landing idiots still purveying their filth as truth.
 
As for For All Mankind, how old are you? Did you live through the actual events or were they simply something you read about in a history book while at school? It makes a huge difference when the one watching the series actually lived through the period. This alt-history tripe is an affront to the thousands of men and women who dedicated their lives to landing an American on the Moon. Turns out the Russians weren’t even close to a landing, and have never even attempted one since. So will weak minded people who are prone to accepting conspiracy theories think this series is an actual documentary? We already have the faked moon landing idiots still purveying their filth as truth.

FYI it’s not a true story. It’s dramatised fiction. Happy to help.
 
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As for For All Mankind, how old are you? Did you live through the actual events or were they simply something you read about in a history book while at school? It makes a huge difference when the one watching the series actually lived through the period. This alt-history tripe is an affront to the thousands of men and women who dedicated their lives to landing an American on the Moon. Turns out the Russians weren’t even close to a landing, and have never even attempted one since. So will weak minded people who are prone to accepting conspiracy theories think this series is an actual documentary? We already have the faked moon landing idiots still purveying their filth as truth.
Of all the reasons to knock a show, sheesh. Alt-history fiction is a very popular genre. Have you read Stephen King's book 11/22/63? What about the Amazon mega-hit "The Man in the High Castle" where the Nazis literally win World War II. I imagine any Jewish holocaust survivors should take offense to that show as well according to your logic? However, the reality is that people can enjoy fiction (see also Twilight Zone), that asks What If questions. And, that fictional portrayal does not offend or take anything away from actual history.

Because most people can discern between history and fiction.
 
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