The mouse is barbaric old tech. Ditch it now and join the modern world.

[Macmamamac]

When will you add: In my opinion... ?
Well, yes, you very neatly approached part of my point - the limitations that the pencil has, are massively magnified by the hand holding the ... pencil.
Still, just opinions. On my side, too.

The point is whatever limitations there are with a pencil, are magnified by a mouse, because the mouse is an imprecise object and the pencil is a precise object.

Can you give me even one example of where a mouse would perform a function better on a desktop than a pencil.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

In your thread with an alarming title "Is there a help line I can ring to prevent me from buying Apple products" dated December 5, 2015, you asked for help.

...Help me.....

Without any doubt you need help, but I am afraid not from Macrumors.

 

[Macmamamac]

In your thread with an alarming title "Is there a help line I can ring to prevent me from buyinf Apple products" dated December 5, 2015, you asked for help.

Without any doubt you need help, but I am afraid not from Macrumors.

Its called having a sense of humour. i actually forgot about that thread, but Luckily the Apple Watch impulse passed. lol

Will post on there now.

 

[DeltaMac]

...
Can you give me even one example of where a mouse would perform a function better on a desktop than a pencil.

But, you are already convinced, correct? So, any example that I could come up with would automatically be wrong, in your opinion, even if it fit in with your reasoning.

I think the idea is ludicrous that a single type of input device, regardless of what it is, is ideal for every use.

You are the one with the do-anything device. What situations do you get into, when you need to drop the pencil, and pick up your mouse (or glide around on a trackpad device) or other input device?

 

[bingeciren]

I've been using computers daily since 1984. I started using a mouse when I switched to Windows 95 from DOS. So, for nearly 20 years I've been using a mouse (and keyboard) to interact with computers.

Trackpads were fine on laptops but I always found the area of the trackpads on laptops too small and not better than a mouse. Yet, when I used a laptop, I never needed to carry a mouse like some people.

Then I switched to MacBook in 2006. Well, now that was a whole new implementation of a trackpad on a laptop. It was big and comfortable. Then over the years the trackpads on MacBooks became larger and started to support multi gestures like pinch, zoom and rotate.

As soon as Apple introduced the Magic Trackpad, I ditched the mouse completely and never had to resort to using one.

With my desktop Mac I use the Magic Trackpad exclusively and with my MacBook I use the built in trackpad only. A mouse does not even come close to the versatility and the ease of using a trackpad especially for smooth scrolling, pinch, zoom, rotate using two fingers and using two fingers to right click. A mouse may not be a barbaric old tech device but compared to Apple trackpads, it is like getting off a horse and getting on to a donkey.

A lot of people are comfortable with a mouse and I also noticed that a lot of them have difficulty using a trackpad effectively. In that case a mouse is fine for them, but for me an Apple Magic Trackpad is a much better tool than a mouse.

 

[Mr. Buzzcut]

I guess Microsoft had the secret sauce with their tablets years ago but nobody realized it.

 

[pearphone7]

Unlike the Dvorak keyboard layout, people have been holding pencils ( or quills ) for thousands of years.

This is not some fad input device. Its basically digital pencil technology.

Heres an experiment. Write your name with your finger on an iPad or smart phone. Now write your name with a mouse. Then, just pick up a pencil/pen and write your name on piece of paper.

What feels more natural?

The pencil is not going anywhere. As long as human beings have hands, then the most intuitive and comfortable way of manually inputting information is always going to be done with a pencil.

Fair point. Next chance I get I'm trying it out.

 

[fhopper]

Right; try playing a FPS with a track pad or tablet... some people ask their computer to do it all and a tablet will not get'r done.

 

[illitrate23]

Can you give me even one example of where a mouse would perform a function better on a desktop than a pencil.

Well, the mouse is a fraction of the cost of even a small Intuos and half the price of the magic trackpad.
So it performs much better as far as my wallet is concerned.

I've got an old bluetooth Wacom and it's great for graphics, but lacks the multi-touch of the current models. I'm intrigued by what it would be like to play something like GTA or Elite on a tablet - but it's way too expensive for just trying to play a game.
I'll try it with the magic trackpad, but i fear it'll be too small to work well with a game and a mouse will just be the easier option.

 

[Strider64]

I like my mouse, it's good for zapping zombies!!!

 

[cynics]

If you play games with a mouse, then using a tablet/pencil will be better as well because your reaction times will be a lot better.

How unfortunate...I was trolled to death...

 

[Macalway]

The mouse rules. Trackpads, pens, thingies, are fine, However....

Mouse is king. (And the mouse wins, BTW )

 

[zhaoxin]

I don't think trackpad is superior to mouse. My hand hurts if I am using a trackpad for hours. But it is OK even I am using a mouse for a whole day.

 

[jerwin]

As Monty Python would wholeheartedly agree, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

And Monty Python is very fond of mice.

 

[jerwin]

I have a monoprice tablet, and it doesn't really allow me to use two monitors with any sort of efficiency.
I much prefer a mouse to a trackpad as well. I do use various drafting programs, and so far, the mouse offers more control. Granted, they are drafting programs, not illustration programs, but I'm not impressed.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Very happy with my mouse.

 

[illitrate23]

Hokey tablets and ancient trackpads are no match for a good mouse in your hand, kid!

 

[C DM]

The point is a tablet/pencil is better at the most fundamental of tasks like moving the cursor and dragging and dropping files.

If you play games with a mouse, then using a tablet/pencil will be better as well because your reaction times will be a lot better.

Its fallacy to believe it only excels in art programmes. Its better than the mouse and trackpad at everything. A trackpad should be a secondary device used for scrolling and force touch gestures.




8K is here. The big boys will be unveiling affordable-ish 8k TV's this January at CES.

Computer monitors should always be more advanced than TV's. Although, Japan Display and Sharp both have 8k's.

You really think affordable 8K TVs are going to be rolling out in the next year? Manufacturers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they would do that given that 4K is barely in the stages of being mainstream and still has ways to go to make money for them and content providers. And that's not counting the fact that there's still barely any 4K content, and surely will be even less 8K for much longer.

 

[Macmamamac]

You really think affordable 8K TVs are going to be rolling out in the next year? Manufacturers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they would do that given that 4K is barely in the stages of being mainstream and still has ways to go to make money for them and content providers. And that's not counting the fact that there's still barely any 4K content, and surely will be even less 8K for much longer.

Apple is already selling a 27" 5k monitor with a computer attached for well under £2000 -- and people say Apple charge a premium. Something which would have seemed impossible just a couple of years ago. 8K tech isn't too much more advanced.

8k is already here, the insanely expensive models showcased this year were all absolutely massive. Next year will see smaller tv's in 8k which will be affordable. Still really expensive, but affordable.

CES is less than a month away so not long until the lineups are revealed.

 

[C DM]

Apple is already selling a 27" 5k monitor with a computer attached for well under £2000 -- and people say Apple charge a premium. Something which would have seemed impossible just a couple of years ago. 8K tech isn't too much more advanced.

8k is already here, the insanely expensive models showcased this year were all absolutely massive. Next year will see smaller tv's in 8k which will be affordable. Still really expensive, but affordable.

CES is less than a month away so not long until the lineups are revealed.

8K being here as a technology and some essentially high end limited products is quite a ways of from 8K being everywhere, being affordable, and being mainstream (something that 4K barely crossed into not long ago at all). It makes almost no financial sense for manufactures to push 8K like that right now or in the near future. In any case though, this is kind of off topic at this point.

 

[Macmamamac]

8K being here as a technology and some essentially high end limited products is quite a ways of from 8K being everywhere, being affordable, and being mainstream (something that 4K barely crossed into not long ago at all). It makes almost no financial sense for manufactures to push 8K like that right now or in the near future. In any case though, this is kind of off topic at this point.

Some 4k TV's are ridiculously cheap already. Every top end manufacturer has 4k budget line. 4k is now the norm. Its time for the next level. Non innovation and lack of novelty is the most financially disastrous decision any company can make.

2017 will be the year where they become 'affordable affordable', next year will just be affordable. 4k content is still sparse but that never stopped them rolling out 4k TV's to the point where the tech is now cheap.

Most people with a 4K have never actually seen any 4k content on it. It will be the same with 8k.

 

[jerwin]

bestbuy sells 40 inch 4k Televisons; from the perspective of viewing distance calculators, they hardly make sense unless used as computer monitors. But the 4K teat hasn't been suckled long enough for 8K to be economical as a television standard. As a computer standard... hmm.

When a single desktop video card, running a top end AAA game can push 4K at 120 fps, using ultra video settings, 8K might be a viable option. But the imac, running a single laptop video card, struggles at that sort of thing. Who knows. Maybe with a 34 inch screen, Apple could squeeze in a desktop card somehow?

 

[phrehdd]

Some 4k TV's are ridiculously cheap already. Every top end manufacturer has 4k budget line. 4k is now the norm. Its time for the next level. Non innovation and lack of novelty is the most financially disastrous decision any company can make.

2017 will be the year where they become 'affordable affordable', next year will just be affordable. 4k content is still sparse but that never stopped them rolling out 4k TV's to the point where the tech is now cheap.

Most people with a 4K have never actually seen any 4k content on it. It will be the same with 8k.

So what you are saying is we all need the latest innovation to fulfill our lives? I guess we will disagree. 8k TVs will be a ways off from now and even 4K TVs are now suffering the same fate as 1080 TVs in that crap is being produced with the "novelty" of being 4K. Then again 4K is not just one specifications but actually two - consumer and broadcast. The former being less resolution and often a smaller colour space. 1080 TVs have come in all prices and quality. We watched plasma TVs go bye bye and they were "old" technology that provided the best overall technology for blue ray playback. Various 1080 LCD TVs came up with gimmick motion controls giving us that soap opera effect that you would never suffer with "old technology" of a plasma. Then again, plasma TVs are not an option for 4K and would continue to be cost prohibited to make.

Though we are off the original thread topic, resolution of a screen is not the end all but how well a device can play back the media whether it is 1080, 480 and then some plus new media that is created in higher resolution.

I'll stick with my trackball, touchpad (on laptop) and Intuos for graphics and absolutely LOVE watching blue ray quality movies on my old technology plasma TV (Panasonic VT50 65"). I'll wait a few years before getting into a 4K TV when they get the motion problem worked out, get the up-scaling done properly at a reasonable price and of course keep an eye on Internet providers and the charges they'll figure out to extort from us for the additional usage for 4K streaming (we already see some "negotiations" being done with content providers and Internet providers). I'll just say I am happy when innovation comes when it really does add value to our lives but I am not about "innovation" for its own sake nor go through exercises of rationalizing its value.

 

[phrehdd]

bestbuy sells 40 inch 4k Televisons; from the perspective of viewing distance calculators, they hardly make sense unless used as computer monitors. But the 4K teat hasn't been suckled long enough for 8K to be economical as a television standard. As a computer standard... hmm.

When a single desktop video card, running a top end AAA game can push 4K at 120 fps, using ultra video settings, 8K might be a viable option. But the imac, running a single laptop video card, struggles at that sort of thing. Who knows. Maybe with a 34 inch screen, Apple could squeeze in a desktop card somehow?

Or perhaps Apple will decide to go with function over form (instead of their present course) and let the iMac be a bit thicker. We are in full agreement.

 

[cynics]

bestbuy sells 40 inch 4k Televisons; from the perspective of viewing distance calculators, they hardly make sense unless used as computer monitors. But the 4K teat hasn't been suckled long enough for 8K to be economical as a television standard. As a computer standard... hmm.

When a single desktop video card, running a top end AAA game can push 4K at 120 fps, using ultra video settings, 8K might be a viable option. But the imac, running a single laptop video card, struggles at that sort of thing. Who knows. Maybe with a 34 inch screen, Apple could squeeze in a desktop card somehow?

We are a ways off from that too. I think it takes 2x nVidia Titans in SLI to even get close to 120fps on a well optimized game like Tomb Raider at 4K on ultra settings. Most games are no where near optimized as well.

Btw I'd buy a 4-5k 34" iMac in a heart beat.