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The NBA 2010-2011 Season

Hylekmi said:
All i can say is.....BULLS IN 7 BABY!
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Maybe if Rose suddenly turned into Jordan.....This is a perfect example of why nobody will ever compare to MJ, that was one bad motha who would not let his team lose. Many will have the physical talent, maybe even better but it goes deeper than that.
 
bigjnyc said:
Maybe if Rose suddenly turned into Jordan.....This is a perfect example of why nobody will ever compare to MJ, that was one bad motha who would not let his team lose. Many will have the physical talent, maybe even better but it goes deeper than that.
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Couldn't have said it better. Maybe next year will be it for the Bulls...
 
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bigjnyc said:
Maybe if Rose suddenly turned into Jordan.....This is a perfect example of why nobody will ever compare to MJ, that was one bad motha who would not let his team lose. Many will have the physical talent, maybe even better but it goes deeper than that.
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interesting quote from Pippen this morning...

Pippen: "Jordan best scorer ever but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game."
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
interesting quote from Pippen this morning...

Pippen: "Jordan best scorer ever but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game."
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It's a little early to "crown the king" before he's even won his first title. He's got a long way to go before we start putting him above MJ.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
show me how many games this season at least one of the Big 3 didn't go for 30? Now show me how many times Dirk has not gone for 30.... that's my point.
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And that point doesn't prove anything. How many times has Terry scored 20 off the bench? How many times has Mike Miller?

MY point was that the Heat NEED the Big Three to score in order to win. The Mavericks have already won a couple of playoff games in which Dirk didn't have a great game. Dallas has a better supporting cast than the Big Three do. I'm not saying that Miami won't win the Finals, just that in many games the Heat are playing 3-on-5. The fact that they are winning that way is a testament to how good those three are, but it doesn't prove that Miami has the better TEAM or has an obvious edge against Dallas.


xxBURT0Nxx said:
denver was the only team to beat the lakers during their great stretch after the all-star break and beat LA all but one time they played them this season. i didn't see the lakers going far, nobody looked interested in winning again this year except kobe and he didn't do much in the post season.
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I can't argue that the Lakers didn't have the needed intensity this postseason. That was pretty obvious. But I think it's a mistake to put much emphasis on how two teams did in the regular season against each other. It's a small sample size in very different circumstances. There is quite a bit of historical evidence to indicate that regular-season, head-to-head match-ups aren't a good predictor of playoff series. Denver played very well down the stretch, but in the playoffs they showed that they weren't as good as people thought they were. So did LA for that matter, but I didn't see anything in that first-round series against OKC that convinced me they would have beaten the Lakers.


xxBURT0Nxx said:
you are the one who said "who have they played that can score as well as Dallas can?" implying Chicago wouldn't be able to defend dallas or something? I was pointing out that they have faced all of the teams and came out with the number 1 defense in the league... :rolleyes:
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No, I was saying that Dallas would be a bigger challenge for the Bulls' defense than any of the East teams were, and that it was reasonable to expect them to have a harder time defending Dallas. I'm completely aware of how good the Bulls' defense is. I was mocking the idea that you seemed to think you were telling me something new, not that Chicago couldn't defend. Not that it matters now that Chicago will be staying home during the Finals.
 
mscriv said:
It's a little early to "crown the king" before he's even won his first title. He's got a long way to go before we start putting him above MJ.
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Perhaps Lebron is the better player; but there is a difference between best statistical player ever and overall best player ever. Jordan put up some amazing stats and led the Bulls to 6 championships. Lebron hasn't won yet, and when he does, there's still the little fact that he's playing with two other superstars...so really, he'll never have as much credit for those championships as Jordan got and deserved.
 
j07950 said:
Perhaps Lebron is the better player; but there is a difference between best statistical player ever and overall best player ever. Jordan put up some amazing stats and led the Bulls to 6 championships. Lebron hasn't won yet, and when he does, there's still the little fact that he's playing with two other superstars...so really, he'll never have as much credit for those championships as Jordan got and deserved.
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Isn't it pretty clear by now that LeBron just doesn't want or need to be The Man? We all kind of wanted him to want to be like Jordan, but he just isn't. That doesn't make him a worse player, but I'm skeptical that anyone with so little ego on the court can ever be the best ever. He just wouldn't have enough internal motivation to make it happen the way or Jordan did.

I agree that he won't get as much credit if he wins titles paired up with Wade. Kobe doesn't get as much credit because he won with Shaq. But if one is going to make that argument, you could also say that Jordan never won a title without Pippen. Or that neither Jordan or Kobe ever won a title with a coach other than Phil Jackson. Would Bill Russell have won 11 titles without Auerbach as his coach? Doubtful. Nobody wins a title by themselves in team sports.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
interesting quote from Pippen this morning...

Pippen: "Jordan best scorer ever but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game."
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Maybe if he had stayed in Cleveland and led the cavs to a few championships, but as it stands he had to go to someone else's team in order to win.... Which is fine nothing wrong with that the goal should be to win a championship. He didnt want to end up like the Ewing's or Malone's of the world great players with no rings...... But MJ was different he was the man that led his team to championships with the supporting cast.
 
aloofman said:
And that point doesn't prove anything. How many times has Terry scored 20 off the bench? How many times has Mike Miller?

MY point was that the Heat NEED the Big Three to score in order to win. The Mavericks have already won a couple of playoff games in which Dirk didn't have a great game. Dallas has a better supporting cast than the Big Three do. I'm not saying that Miami won't win the Finals, just that in many games the Heat are playing 3-on-5. The fact that they are winning that way is a testament to how good those three are, but it doesn't prove that Miami has the better TEAM or has an obvious edge against Dallas.
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well, after last nights games my predictions were pretty solid. Dallas is going to have a hard time scoring... Dirk is probably not going to have a 40+ point game in the finals against this defense.

Miami bench also outscored the Dallas bench and Miami out rebounded by 10 offensive boards.

People were saying the same things against the Bulls, that Miami bench isn't deep enough, depend on the Big 3 too much. Yeah they might score the majority of the points, but this is a pretty solid squad with some decent perimiter shooters in bibby, miller, and chalmers and since bosh, wade, and james are such a threat inside and out, I see the heat being pretty dominant for the next few years.

Also, I wasn't necessarily saying I agreed with Pippens statement, I just thought it was interesting. I also think it's unfair to start judging players in the middle of their career. Remember, at age 26, Jordan had NO titles either. It will be much easier to gauge their success after they are done playing rather than in their prime.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
well, after last nights games my predictions were pretty solid. Dallas is going to have a hard time scoring... Dirk is probably not going to have a 40+ point game in the finals against this defense.

Miami bench also outscored the Dallas bench and Miami out rebounded by 10 offensive boards.

People were saying the same things against the Bulls, that Miami bench isn't deep enough, depend on the Big 3 too much. Yeah they might score the majority of the points, but this is a pretty solid squad with some decent perimiter shooters in bibby, miller, and chalmers and since bosh, wade, and james are such a threat inside and out, I see the heat being pretty dominant for the next few years.

Also, I wasn't necessarily saying I agreed with Pippens statement, I just thought it was interesting. I also think it's unfair to start judging players in the middle of their career. Remember, at age 26, Jordan had NO titles either. It will be much easier to gauge their success after they are done playing rather than in their prime.
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Exactly. Lets see how there careers play out and when the dust finally settles...judge them on the career they had!
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
well, after last nights games my predictions were pretty solid. Dallas is going to have a hard time scoring... Dirk is probably not going to have a 40+ point game in the finals against this defense.

Miami bench also outscored the Dallas bench and Miami out rebounded by 10 offensive boards.

People were saying the same things against the Bulls, that Miami bench isn't deep enough, depend on the Big 3 too much. Yeah they might score the majority of the points, but this is a pretty solid squad with some decent perimiter shooters in bibby, miller, and chalmers and since bosh, wade, and james are such a threat inside and out, I see the heat being pretty dominant for the next few years.
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And I stand by my statement about the Heat offense being 3-on-5. The other two Miami starters didn't score a single point. As you said, the offensive rebounds made the difference. Even with all that, the game came down to Miami executing better in the last five minutes, something that Dallas has also done well in the playoffs before the Finals.

They're two evenly-matched teams. Whomever plays like that at the end of more games will win the series.
 
aloofman said:
And I stand by my statement about the Heat offense being 3-on-5. The other two Miami starters didn't score a single point. As you said, the offensive rebounds made the difference. Even with all that, the game came down to Miami executing better in the last five minutes, something that Dallas has also done well in the playoffs before the Finals.

They're two evenly-matched teams. Whomever plays like that at the end of more games will win the series.
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so how many people are on the dallas offense? Considering their bench also got outscored, which was supposed to be their strong point against miami and that they had shooters who could make shots when dirk got doubled.
Everyone just looks at the NBA as how well teams perform offensively, and in a game like last night people will say dallas just had an off night, they won't continue to shoot that bad. They said the same things about the bulls series.... however, MAYBE, just maybe, the reason all of these teams aren't shooting well is because they can't get through Miami's defense.

Either way, the series is far from over, can't wait until tomorrow to watch the next one!
 
It really was an entertaining game. About the only way it could have been better is if it went to overtime.
 
Great comeback by the Mavs. They've done it time after time in the playoffs since blowing their own lead against Portland. This win has got to be a boost for their confidence, especially Dirk taking it to the basket for the win instead of his usual pull up jumper. We really need to keep the momentum going now as we start our home games.
 
What a comeback to take game 4. The Mavs are truly gutting it out. I'm glad it's been a good competitive series. So much is riding on game 5.
 
That was a very entertaining game. Close almost all the way through, down to the last shot. Can't really ask for more. It's also great that we know it's going to at least six games. I don't even care who wins it.
 
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