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Wow, wow, wow! The Mavs are proving this team's toughness and it's so refreshing after all the "soft" talk and early playoff exits we have seen the past couple of years. Dirk is stepping up big time and so is the bench. It's reaching the point where if they don't win it all it will be a real shame.

in the post game Magic called Dirk the definite MVP of the playoffs and said he hasn't seen a player step up and take control like this since MJ.
 
The Thunder let up a fifteen point lead with five minutes left. Simply bad, did anyone see that shot of them on the bench during a timeout and they just looked stunned? They couldn't believe it themselves.
 
Wow, wow, wow! The Mavs are proving this team's toughness and it's so refreshing after all the "soft" talk and early playoff exits we have seen the past couple of years.

In all fairness, they WERE soft at the time. Looks like this could be the year they make it happen though.
 
i think dallas can beat the heat, but it really depends on how JJ BAREA, TERRY comes off the bench. and how well marion and defend james / wade
i don't think they will. They won't have home-court, they are much older than the heat, and dirk is going to need to put up 40 points a night against a team that plays DEFENSE...
 
i don't think dallas can beat the heat, they're too old.

IF both teams get through, its going to be a hell of a series. I am a Heat homer, but I absolutely think the Mavs can play with the Heat. I dont care what happened in the regular season between the two teams, because this Heat team is MUCH different from the regular season. The Mavs are much deeper than the Heat, especially at the bigs, so I think the Heat will have to activate Magloire and play Z some more. Haslem seems to play Dirk well, and I agree with Burton, Dirk is going to have to have big games in order for the Mavs to have a shot.
 
IF both teams get through, its going to be a hell of a series. I am a Heat homer, but I absolutely think the Mavs can play with the Heat. I dont care what happened in the regular season between the two teams, because this Heat team is MUCH different from the regular season. The Mavs are much deeper than the Heat, especially at the bigs, so I think the Heat will have to activate Magloire and play Z some more. Haslem seems to play Dirk well, and I agree with Burton, Dirk is going to have to have big games in order for the Mavs to have a shot.
That's why i don't think they will win. The heat have 3 guys that can have big games on different nights, we have seen it countless times. You can't expect dirk to come out and put up 40 points consistently throughout a SERIES. Plus they don't have home court.

Also, I think it's pretty safe to say that both teams will be going to the finals at this point, would be pretty miraculous if okc or chi town ended up winning the series, but anything is possible.
 
While I think if we get a Heat v. Mavericks Finals the ratings will be good, there are a few downsides:

1. A lot of people don't like Mark Cuban.

2. Even MORE people don't like how the current roster of the Heat was formed, especially LeBron James' "The Decision."

Mind you, unless the Mavericks coaching staff know how to take advantage of the team's high player intelligence, the Mavericks' roster is too old to keep up with the Heat roster. Heat wins four games to two.
 
I'm not counting the Mavs out of anything against the Heat. Who thought they could/would sweep the Lakers? Sure, I think we would have better odds against the Bulls, but beating the Heat in the finals would be oh so sweet, not just for 2006 payback, but for the sake of denying the "manufactured" big three. I hear what you all are saying about Dirk having to play his best consistently, but, um, what would you call what he's doing right now? Seriously, Magic already said he's the clear MVP of the postseason and his performance is pretty incredible at this point. If he can keep this fire and the bench stay strong then it's very possible that we can beat Lebron and crew.
 
I'm not counting the Mavs out of anything against the Heat. Who thought they could/would sweep the Lakers? Sure, I think we would have better odds against the Bulls, but beating the Heat in the finals would be oh so sweet, not just for 2006 payback, but for the sake of denying the "manufactured" big three. I hear what you all are saying about Dirk having to play his best consistently, but, um, what would you call what he's doing right now? Seriously, Magic already said he's the clear MVP of the postseason and his performance is pretty incredible at this point. If he can keep this fire and the bench stay strong then it's very possible that we can beat Lebron and crew.
any team in the west would have beat the lakers, they were the weakest team in the playoffs.

No doubt dirk is playing well, but there is no defense in any of the series. Just look at the WCF vs the ECF... in the east, 2 of the best defensive teams and the games are very low scoring compared to WCF.... dirk is not going to be able to do what he does against the thunder to either the bulls or the heat. Also, he is going to have to put up around 40 points a game, which he might do once or twice, but he is not going to be able to do it in 4 games. This is a series, not a game or two. And the mavs aren't going to do to either team in the east what they did to okc in game 4.... the heat or bulls aren't going to give up a 15 pt lead with their defenses. If dallas had lost that game like they should have the series would be tied 2-2 and nobody would be writing dallas' ticket to the finals yet.
 
2. Even MORE people don't like how the current roster of the Heat was formed, especially LeBron James' "The Decision."

This is why a part of me doesn't want Miami to win (and I like Wade and Lebron). At least struggle for a season to prove championships can't be bought with a roster change.

I was rooting for Chicago last night. But Derek Rose tried to act like Iverson and go ISO with Lebron and choked repeatedly. On the other hand, it's nice to see Bosh playing like an all-star.

As for Dallas, I want Kidd to get a ring and I like Dirk but Jason Terry is one of the guys I hate the most in the league (along with Manu).

I almost don't care who wins this year.
 
As for Dallas, I want Kidd to get a ring and I like Dirk but Jason Terry is one of the guys I hate the most in the league (along with Manu).

Why no love for Terry?

I completely agree about Kidd and Dirk getting a ring. The Mavs are by far the best "story" in terms of a championship. People like the Bulls and Thunder, but they are the future, the up and comers. Many don't like the Heat for what has already been mentioned. Dallas has the best appeal as a "feel good" end to the year.
 
Why no love for Terry?

I completely agree about Kidd and Dirk getting a ring. The Mavs are by far the best "story" in terms of a championship. People like the Bulls and Thunder, but they are the future, the up and comers. Many don't like the Heat for what has already been mentioned. Dallas has the best appeal as a "feel good" end to the year.

The guy is a punk who talks too much trash for a bench player. Some of what I remember this year
- He said Kobe wouldn't be able to guard him because he's too old (even though Terry's older)
- Matt Barnes is not a real Laker
- If Bynum fouled him like he fouled Barea, things would have turned out differently and that Bynum was dirty (meanwhile Terry had a similar flagrant on Blake and has a history of doing things like punching players in the groin)

I just really don't like the guy.
 
i don't think dallas can beat the heat, they're too old.

Historically, youth hasn't been an advantage in the NBA playoffs. Teams with young stars occasionally win the championship, but young teams almost never do. You might have to go back to the '77 Trailblazers to come up with a young team that won the NBA title.


That's why i don't think they will win. The heat have 3 guys that can have big games on different nights, we have seen it countless times. You can't expect dirk to come out and put up 40 points consistently throughout a SERIES. Plus they don't have home court.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that you only have to shut down two of Miami's big three to stifle their offense. Obviously that's easier said than done, but if any coach left in the playoffs can think of a way, it's Rick Carlisle. For all his faults, he's a solid Xs and Os guy. If Dallas can clog up the paint and force James and Wade to shoot jumpers, then they'll be in pretty good shape.

Dallas doesn't have a star scorer besides Dirk, but their 4-9 players on the depth chart are better than Miami's. Dallas' bench can keep them in games. Miami doesn't have a point guard that can make Kidd expend a lot of energy on the defensive end or a big man that can keep Chandler or Nowitzki off the boards.


any team in the west would have beat the lakers, they were the weakest team in the playoffs.

That's not true at all. At the very least, the Hornets must have been worse, right? The Hawks, Knicks, Magic, Sixers, and Pacers were all worse teams than the Lakers. I would argue that the Spurs and Nuggets wouldn't have won a first-round series against them either. It's easy to say now -- after getting swept by what looks like the best team in the playoffs right now -- that the Lakers were washed up, but Dallas gave LA terrible matchup problems that most of the other playoff teams wouldn't have.


No doubt dirk is playing well, but there is no defense in any of the series.

I don't think it's entirely due to lack of defense. The West teams can actually score. The Bulls have only one player (Rose) that can make anything happen on offense. All of his teammates just react to his plays. In the games that Rose hasn't had his shot, the Bulls have struggled to score points. Their defense keeps them in games that they would otherwise lose, which is a key to their success. But who have they played in the East playoffs that can score as well as Dallas can?


The Mavs are by far the best "story" in terms of a championship. People like the Bulls and Thunder, but they are the future, the up and comers. Many don't like the Heat for what has already been mentioned. Dallas has the best appeal as a "feel good" end to the year.

I think that's true. I think that people want to see Dirk succeed after playing so long and so well in Dallas, especially after he signed a long-term deal in the offseason when a lot of people thought he'd have to go elsewhere to win a title. (He still might though.)

It's become somewhat of a cliche that young teams have to "pay their dues" in the playoffs before becoming champions, but there really is something to it. We saw in the last two games, with both the Bulls and Thunder letting games slip away from them, that you have to get your heart broken a few times before you realize the kind of intensity that's needed to win a title.

Different sport, but relevant: Wayne Gretzky tells the story of losing the 1983 Stanley Cup finals to the New York Islanders, who swept the high-scoring Oilers with stifling defense. After the final game, he and Messier walked past the Islanders' locker room, expecting to see them celebrating. They were nursing injuries and resting instead. They both realized that they hadn't been nearly tough enough to beat the defending champs, that what looked like an easy sweep was actually a grueling feat of endurance instead. The following year they knew what was required and beat the Islanders in the finals rematch, 4-1.
 
The Lakers are about to hire Mike Brown. Can't say that I'm happy about it.
already confirmed to a 4 year deal, 4th year being a team option.

Historically, youth hasn't been an advantage in the NBA playoffs. Teams with young stars occasionally win the championship, but young teams almost never do. You might have to go back to the '77 Trailblazers to come up with a young team that won the NBA title.
we aren't talking about a team that's just out of college, Lebron is 26 has been in the nba for 8 years, wade has already won a championship.... i don't think you have to go back to the '77 blazers to find a team with players Lebron Bosh and Wade's age. I was saying young in comparison to the mavs Dirk, 32... kidd, 38, terry in his 30's..


That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that you only have to shut down two of Miami's big three to stifle their offense. Obviously that's easier said than done, but if any coach left in the playoffs can think of a way, it's Rick Carlisle. For all his faults, he's a solid Xs and Os guy. If Dallas can clog up the paint and force James and Wade to shoot jumpers, then they'll be in pretty good shape.
wade and bosh didn't have that great of games last night (especially wade) yet lebron carried them. You have a better chance with 3 players who can always go for over 30... in some games they will combine for 80-90 combined, not gonna happen on the mavs team, especially not in multiple games, imo


That's not true at all. At the very least, the Hornets must have been worse, right? The Hawks, Knicks, Magic, Sixers, and Pacers were all worse teams than the Lakers. I would argue that the Spurs and Nuggets wouldn't have won a first-round series against them either. It's easy to say now -- after getting swept by what looks like the best team in the playoffs right now -- that the Lakers were washed up, but Dallas gave LA terrible matchup problems that most of the other playoff teams wouldn't have.
i meant worst in the playoffs in the west, sorry, and yeah i guess the hornets are worse since they lost but the fact that they won 2 games against LA showed me that LA fell off after the last 2 years. Just my opinion.


I don't think it's entirely due to lack of defense. The West teams can actually score. The Bulls have only one player (Rose) that can make anything happen on offense. All of his teammates just react to his plays. In the games that Rose hasn't had his shot, the Bulls have struggled to score points. Their defense keeps them in games that they would otherwise lose, which is a key to their success. But who have they played in the East playoffs that can score as well as Dallas can?

I would say the heat can score as well as the mavs.... the bulls didn't have the number one defense in the league without earning it, trust me.
 
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i don't think you have to go back to the '77 blazers to find a team with players Lebron Bosh and Wade's age. I was saying young in comparison to the mavs Dirk, 32... kidd, 38, terry in his 30's..

I didn't say young players, I said a young team. And being "old" hasn't stopped the Mavs from beating Portland, LA, and OKC. If they weren't too old to beat OKC, then I don't think it's going to be a problem.



wade and bosh didn't have that great of games last night (especially wade) yet lebron carried them. You have a better chance with 3 players who can always go for over 30...

They can't always go for 30. Not all of them. The Heat won last night because Chicago turned the ball over too much and the Miami bench played well. The Bulls certainly defended well enough to win the game.



i meant worst in the playoffs in the west, sorry, and yeah i guess the hornets are worse since they lost but the fact that they won 2 games against LA showed me that LA fell off after the last 2 years. Just my opinion.

Falling off is different from saying they're worst in the west. With the Spurs' injury issues, I don't think they would have beaten the Lakers in the first round either. I also doubt the Nuggets would have won either.


I would say the heat can score as well as the mavs.... the bulls didn't have the number one defense in the league without earning it, trust me.

Silly me, I hadn't heard yet that the Bulls knew how to defend. :rolleyes:
 
I didn't say young players, I said a young team. And being "old" hasn't stopped the Mavs from beating Portland, LA, and OKC. If they weren't too old to beat OKC, then I don't think it's going to be a problem.

we will see, i see the youth and athleticism being an advantage... it's not like dallas is LA or Boston with a lot of veterans who have won championships.



They can't always go for 30. Not all of them. The Heat won last night because Chicago turned the ball over too much and the Miami bench played well. The Bulls certainly defended well enough to win the game.
show me how many games this season at least one of the Big 3 didn't go for 30? Now show me how many times Dirk has not gone for 30.... that's my point.




Falling off is different from saying they're worst in the west. With the Spurs' injury issues, I don't think they would have beaten the Lakers in the first round either. I also doubt the Nuggets would have won either.

denver was the only team to beat the lakers during their great stretch after the all-star break and beat LA all but one time they played them this season. i didn't see the lakers going far, nobody looked interested in winning again this year except kobe and he didn't do much in the post season.


Silly me, I hadn't heard yet that the Bulls knew how to defend. :rolleyes:
you are the one who said "who have they played that can score as well as Dallas can?" implying Chicago wouldn't be able to defend dallas or something? I was pointing out that they have faced all of the teams and came out with the number 1 defense in the league... :rolleyes:
 
Well, we closed out the Thunder and now it's time to gear up for the finals. Here's to hoping that the Bulls can get a win or two and stretch things out.
 
I'm gona go with the Heat, eventhough I wouldn't mind the Mavs winning one, to close out Nowitzki's career on a high note; because the Heat are just going to win it every year down the road if not in year 1.
 
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