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I have played with it. Very Nice!
I have a Ryzen HP X360 coming tomorrow from Bestbuy I going to evaluate until return date. I want to see what these new AMD mobile chips can do.
They could be interesting. I bought an X99 platform i7 as my desktop around a year ago, but if I were buying today I'd get an AMD threadripper instead. Nice to see AMD bringing some competition to Intel.
 
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I was thinking about the next mini and I have a feeling we will see an SSD inside more like something close to the m.2 form factor than the traditional 2.5 inch drives. That would definitely help decrease the size that Apple so much want to reduce and wouldn't necessarily make it impossible to have it user replaceable. I do wonder, in that case, if the next mini will be the size of an external 2.5 inch usb drive. That of course would not bode well for ports including SD slots.
 
I see that Dell still sells laptops with spinners. Are they really that much cheaper than SSDs? If Apple wants a cheap, entry level mini they might keep hard drives as an option. That forces the form factor to be a bit bigger.
 
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I was thinking about the next mini and I have a feeling we will see an SSD inside more like something close to the m.2 form factor than the traditional 2.5 inch drives. That would definitely help decrease the size that Apple so much want to reduce and wouldn't necessarily make it impossible to have it user replaceable. I do wonder, in that case, if the next mini will be the size of an external 2.5 inch usb drive. That of course would not bode well for ports including SD slots.
I would also be afraid of a lack of ports, however I'd rather have a USB-A port than one SD card reader. Apple used a low-quality socket in the mid-2010 Mac mini and the read/write switch stops working after a while, rendering the SD card reader useless, unless all you do is read the cards.

For the size, I'm guessing something the size of the 4th-generation Apple TV. Tall enough to still have plenty of ports. Hopefully there will be one USB-C port for being future-proof, but it still needs at least a few USB-A ports for today's needs.
 
Speaking of USB-C,

I could totally see something with just power, hdmi, and maybe 2 USB-C ports, but more likely one. Probably $599 starting price, probably an i3 processor, probably 4 GB of RAM, and a 512 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive.

It would sell terribly, and then die on the vine 3 years later, maybe 2.
I've been an Mac person for far too long. I'm preparing myself for the letdown well ahead of time.
 
Speaking of USB-C,

I could totally see something with just power, hdmi, and maybe 2 USB-C ports, but more likely one. Probably $599 starting price, probably an i3 processor, probably 4 GB of RAM, and a 512 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive.

It would sell terribly, and then die on the vine 3 years later, maybe 2.
I've been an Mac person for far too long. I'm preparing myself for the letdown well ahead of time.


I wouldn't be surprised if a new Mini was sort of a companion-device to the next Display.
The Display has a USB-C Hub with traditional USB, DP, maybe even ethernet.
The Mini has just USB-C. Not even power. And you can sort-of snap it to the back of the display (MagSafe-style - I bet their suppliers have some left-overs).
OK, that might be stupid.

It's just I have this feeling that Apple is stubborn enough to want to wait for some other stuff they have in the making before releasing a new Mini. They could release a re-badged NUC, but they want something different that needs something else that doesn't exist right now.
Obviously, what you, myself and a couple of other guys here want doesn't really count here...
They think they're Henry Ford and we want faster horses ;-)
 
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They could be interesting. I bought an X99 platform i7 as my desktop around a year ago, but if I were buying today I'd get an AMD threadripper instead. Nice to see AMD bringing some competition to Intel.
I went with a Ryzen 7 - 1700, GTX 1080, and NVMe boot drive. This thing flies. Since I'm now forced to using windows at work, I don't mind the OS THAT much. Light years better than Windows 8, that is for sure.

That is for my "desktop". I'm still rocking the 15" 2012 MBP that is fully loaded. Also this past year, I replaced a really old iMac for my son, with a newer one. Next up is the misses, which will be this year. So I have to pay attention when it comes to the Macbook, Macbook Air and 13" MBP. I'm not forcing her to switch away from MacOS, that would be WAY too much work for me.
 
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I see that Dell still sells laptops with spinners. Are they really that much cheaper than SSDs? If Apple wants a cheap, entry level mini they might keep hard drives as an option. That forces the form factor to be a bit bigger.
$50 for 1TB. So if someone looks for size over speed, yes, price is still a difference.
 
I see that Dell still sells laptops with spinners. Are they really that much cheaper than SSDs?
They are in Australia.

Cheapest current prices here:

1TB Samsung EVO SSD = $384
1TB 2.5" Hitachi 7200rpm spinner = $85

384:85 ≈ 4.5:1.

Spinners win hands down on price, and lose about as badly on every other measure – speed, physical size, power use, thermal profile, reliability, robustness, noise.

Despite all the spinner's disadvantages, until that massive price advantage disappears it will retain a major place in the IT market for some time to come, at least for bulk storage, non-boot drives.
 
Despite all the spinner's disadvantages, until that massive price advantage disappears it will retain a major place in the IT market for some time to come, at least for bulk storage, non-boot drives.
quite a few value and gaming laptops have a small boot SSD combined with a large HDD.
 
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They are in Australia.

Cheapest current prices here:

1TB Samsung EVO SSD = $384
1TB 2.5" Hitachi 7200rpm spinner = $85

384:85 ≈ 4.5:1.

Spinners win hands down on price, and lose about as badly on every other measure – speed, physical size, power use, thermal profile, reliability, robustness, noise.

Despite all the spinner's disadvantages, until that massive price advantage disappears it will retain a major place in the IT market for some time to come, at least for bulk storage, non-boot drives.
whatever both.. after 5 years.. or max 3 years.. prepare to moved your data to another location
 
They are in Australia.

Cheapest current prices here:

1TB Samsung EVO SSD = $384
1TB 2.5" Hitachi 7200rpm spinner = $85

384:85 ≈ 4.5:1.

Spinners win hands down on price, and lose about as badly on every other measure – speed, physical size, power use, thermal profile, reliability, robustness, noise.

Despite all the spinner's disadvantages, until that massive price advantage disappears it will retain a major place in the IT market for some time to come, at least for bulk storage, non-boot drives.

Truth is, most people would not know how to fill up a 1TB drive if their very life depended on it. For those that do know, EXTERNAL DRIVES FOR THE WIN. The whole "space" argument is sinking fast. Hell, a 128GB SSD would be fine for 99.7% of buyers. But that said, Apple, do not cheap out like an a**hole. Give us a 256GB minimum. YOU CAN AFFORD IT.
 
Apple is the first company in history to be almost worth a trillion dollars...
Their product catalog and variations is considerably smaller than the competition, yet...why are they so bad at updating/refreshing the products????

1127 days and counting...and don't give me that :apple:'%&! "it is an important part of our product..." :apple:'%&5#it...
 
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Apple is the first company in history to be almost worth a trillion dollars...
Their product catalog and variations is considerably smaller than the competition, yet...why are they so bad at updating/refreshing the products????

1127 days and counting...and don't give me that :apple:'%&! "it is an important part of our product..." :apple:'%&5#it...

Simple: They didn't get almost a trillion dollars by updating their products every year.
 
I've been testing out the new AMD Ryzen mobile chips in a HP laptop. This is their first release of the integrated chips with Vega graphics included. The Cpu portion is on average with 8th generation Intel i5 quad core mobile chips I tested earlier in the Lenovo but the graphics power is on the level of AMD RX 450 dedicated graphics.
Sure would make a great addition for a Mac Mini for casual gaming and video editing. This is a 15 watt mobile chip.:)

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I disagree as it is just the opposite. If you look at where they make most of their money (iPhones) you see that those products are updated yearly.
I’d say then that they know the sensitivity and competition in the market. If at some point people don’t update every year or two, like their laptop, then the refresh cycle for phones will also lengthen and their efforts will be focused on the next big thing.
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Same as the current iMac 1TB fusion drive that comes with only 32GB SSD.
Except they’re not “fused”. Fusion drives are the worst of both worlds. Only faster at boot time and double the chance of failure.
 
I’d say then that they know the sensitivity and competition in the market. If at some point people don’t update every year or two, like their laptop, then the refresh cycle for phones will also lengthen and their efforts will be focused on the next big thing.
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Except they’re not “fused”. Fusion drives are the worst of both worlds. Only faster at boot time and double the chance of failure.
Finally! Someone gets it about fusion drives. Whole lotta suck.
 
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A few years back, fusion drives were the latest tech, so they Had to be great, not some obviously temporary and kludgy techno-bandaid to hold us over until real SSD's got cheap enough to afford.
The 1tB ones are now about $300 a shot, which is about what I paid for decent hard drives all through the 80's and 90's.
Of course a 1985 dollar is worth a lot more than a 2017 dollar.
Those 128gB SSD's? -Ripoff. Even the 256's anymore.
 
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Truth is, most people would not know how to fill up a 1TB drive if their very life depended on it. For those that do know, EXTERNAL DRIVES FOR THE WIN. The whole "space" argument is sinking fast. Hell, a 128GB SSD would be fine for 99.7% of buyers. But that said, Apple, do not cheap out like an a**hole. Give us a 256GB minimum. YOU CAN AFFORD IT.

This the point.
 
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A few years back, fusion drives were the latest tech, so they Had to be great, not some obviously temporary and kludgy techno-bandaid to hold us over until real SSD's got cheap enough to afford.
The 1tB ones are now about $300 a shot, which is about what I paid for decent hard drives all through the 80's and 90's.
Of course a 1985 dollar is worth a lot more than a 2017 dollar.
Those 128gB SSD's? -Ripoff. Even the 256's anymore.
I have a 64GB I’m going to repurpose in a barebones NUC just used as a management system running Linux. I think I bought it around 5 years ago....SSD caching (aka Fusion) is so 2012.
 
Same as the current iMac 1TB fusion drive that comes with only 32GB SSD.

Apparently the entry level iMac fusion drive only has a 24gb SSD. : https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-i5-2.3-21-inch-aluminum-mid-2017-specs.html

"At the time of purchase, Apple offers a 1 TB "Fusion Drive" (which combines a 24 GB SSD and a 1 TB hard drive) for an extra US$100"

But the entry level mini has a fusion drive option with a 128gb SSD: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-i5-1.4-late-2014-specs.html

"By default, this model is configured with 500 GB hard drive, but it also can be configured at the time of purchase with a 1 TB "Fusion Drive" (which combines a 1 TB hard drive and a 128 GB SSD) for an additional US$250."
 
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