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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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When you are dealing with computer illiterate folks like MOST seniors/grandparents, there is zero chance they are going to learn a different OS. While younger people can switch out, begrudgingly, MOST older folks are locked in. And Apple is doing a HORRIBLE disservice to them, by selling them inferior products at full price. These same fixed income type folks will be forced to by ANOTHER computer at some point, as this 2014 gets EOL'd a good 3-4 years before an 2017 updated Mac Mini would be.
SO poo-poo this all you like, I and some others are in the same boat here, supporting older folks who are being taken advantage of by Apple, with this current/pathetic lineup.
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I mostly agree, but there are plenty of people of all ages who buy Apple products and know very little about technology. The rip-off cares naught for age of the mark.
After 5 years of selling a same Express, Apple told that there will be no new model and they still sell the old one. For mini that will be 2019.
The least they could do is put 8 Gb of ram in the base model and drop the price...
Perhaps the 8 GB RAM but price?
No way. The trend is higher until people with their wallets. Apple was busy selling the X, it shows them that line hasn't been crossed yet.
yes just like apple and microsoft cryptomining has immoral/unethical billionaires practicing tactics to make money.
The difference is regular people can get in on it. Like I used to do when I rebuilt and improved macminis from 2006 to 2012. Apple shut me out of earning as my niche with pc's is not coding it is tweaking and improving gear. I was very good and sold a lot of mac minis with really good upgrades. I now mine coins and build monster pc's with tons of gpus to mine coins.
Here are gpu/pc mining threads for anyone that wants to mine with pc's
Link to thread 1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1429151.0
Link to thread 2
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1429151.0
link to thread 3
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799555.0
link to thread 4
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1877588.0
link to thread 5
Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big.
link to thread 6 the newest one.
Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread.
This covers 19 months and how I went from 1 pc with 1 gpu to dozens of pc's with 50 gpu's
I would have been happy to just upgrade mac mini's and give good deals to ebayers, members here and on 123 mac mini now dead website thanks to apple. Instead I build designs pc's that mine secondary coins that I convert to bitcoins.
A list of most coins out there.
more then 1200 coins that can be traded and or mined. worth over 280 billion usd
Cryptocurrency Market Capitalizations | CoinMarketCap
Yeah, yeah, but the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming.
Thanks for the further explanation and links, Philip. I certainly won't contradict you that Apple and Microsoft (and Google, Samsung, etc.) are in business to make money. My feeling is though, that they are selling actual products and services. I'm not sure I see why we need another currency? What is the benefit? and who benefits? I understand that you are making money 'mining' bitcoin -- to which I say Bravo! I need to do some reading and follow your links as hopefully, more information will make this more sensible to me.
The folks who run Apple these days appear to care about their company’s persona as a caring good citizen of the world (as evidenced by their concerns about various “green” rankings, and posturings by Timmy and Jony at various gatherings of Good People around the world). Given that, I think it is fair to assess their behavior towards their customer base, and not just the base that brings in the big bucks. I think stating they fail on this front on a daily basis is fair game, with the usurious price on the years-old technology in the current Mini being just one example (and the one pertinent to this 11,000-entry rant-thread). If they want to run a money-grubbing, screw-the-consumer business and make a (steaming-pile-emoji)-load of cash, that’s their prerogative. However, if they want to be viewed with halos and wings they need to seriously up their game.
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Yes jasnw, we've been saying this for years - promote yourself as being green, yet selling computers that need to be replaces entirely, when one component fails, is pretty damned hypocritical.
Of course Apple will service that old computer for you, for about 1/2 the price of a new all glued/soldered one.
Of course Apple will service that old computer for you, for about 1/2 the price of a new all glued/soldered one.
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I would suggest moving these folks to an iPad which probably would accomplish everything that they may do on a Mini and I do agree with you on every point you are making.
I see macOS as a dying OS under Tim and Jony.
All their efforts are going into IOS.
And the "Green" front Apple puts on can be easily seen thru when in actuality they avoid paying taxes, use forced labor for building products, and continue selling appliances that have to be thrown away if something breaks or no longer keeps up with updates.
If there is a Mac Mini update Apple will probably tack on the name Pro so they can raise the price $200 while giving a bump on the cpu.
I'll vent a little more about Apple and their Mac appliances.
I have been looking for the addition of a possible Apple laptop addition to my Hackintosh/Windows 10/Linux build. After testing many laptops both Apple and Windows machines some of which I have reported here I have come to the determination that the best value is to stay with my iPad and iPhone for secure browsing and secure payment uses. An apple Macbook is totally over priced and under powered and will not even come close to laptops built by HP, Dell and Lenovo.
Most of the Windows machines have access to change the battery, HD and SSD upgrades and Ram upgrades. The truth of the matter is that Apple showed the way to build premium laptops and the other manufacturers took those designs and now have beat Apple at their own game with out turning them into a throw away device.
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I'm sorry, but this is just insulting. I'm 68 years old, a grandparent and retired on a fixed income. I could easily change to Windows, but I don't want to. I don't think age has all that much to do with it. I know people in their 20's who can't deal well with computers and technology. I frequently help people who are much younger than me with computers. And I am not alone in this.
I don't need your "support", sounds like you're just using this as an excuse to bash Apple for your own reasons. And for older people who are technologically challenged, they don't care whether the Mini is up to date. They just want a Mac that gets them on the web, lets them access mail and maybe work with some photos. I agree that the 2014 Mini is way out of date and not a good value. But a Black Friday special will probably serve this type of user very well.
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Not really. My Mother uses a graphics application to make labels, fancy letters, envelopes, etc... with hundreds of patterns. There is no way she is going to migrate that to an iPad. There are a number of other apps, with locally stored docs/templates/projects that are not going to migrate to an iPad. She also has documents and financial records she is not going to put on an iPad or the cloud, with data breaches left and right these days. Same thing with my in-laws. it would be easier for them to migrate, but we've already given my mother-in-law an iPad, and started down that route, but the same thing - she isn't going to do her "important" work on an iPad.
If either were starting from scratch, there might be a chance.
First off - "Lighten up - FRANCIS" Hopefully you get the quote, you were 32 when the movie was released. I have since updated my comment to prevent people from getting EASILY offended. Yes, not all seniors are computer illiterate.
YOU can easily change to a new OS, congrats. My mother(70s), in-laws(mid 70s), Aunt(70), wife's Aunt and uncle(mid 70s), sister(late 50s), etc... have as much chance of surviving in OS change, as they do hiking the Rockies in February. I would say that you are an EXTREME outlier, compared to roughly similarly aged folks in my family.
Again, YOU don't need MY support, but the family members I do support, REALLY need my help from time to time.
You are right, I am mad at Apple, and their refusal to update the mini. I had to swap out my in-laws Mac Mini with a "new" 2014 one, because the browser could no longer be updated, due to the old OS and lack of support. So YES, they do care about the mini being up to date, when the browser they use for online banking, states that it is insecure.
Yes, I was being flippant in my original post, as I have been here. But it doesn't negate any of what I posted. So please forgive me, and enjoy my updated post.
All the users in this thread thank you for your deep insight. Also despite Apple having publically stated the opposite.
Saying, that the "Mac mini is important in the lineup" doesn't really say much.
It was just a diplomatic answer, that didn't say anything, really. Especially about updating the poor 'lil mini.
One of the possible updates/upgrades (as other already wrote in this and other threads) is a potential Mac mini and Mac Pro merge in the future. Also, the whole headless Mac computer's long future is ... well a big question mark.
Let's hope for the best.
Saying, that the "Mac mini is important in the lineup" doesn't really say much.
It was just a diplomatic answer, that didn't say anything, really. Especially about updating the poor 'lil mini.
Let's hope for the best.
Apple CEO Tim Cook: "While it is not time to share any details, we do plan for Mac mini to be an important part of our product line going forward."
Not just a diplomatic answer, but a clear one.
We do plan... is a clear answer my ass (to quote Phil Schillers' phrase or his use of magical words). Planing is one thing, doing/making is another. Anyway, let's be open and we'll see what the future holds.
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You already answered your question.
And we’re back to whether Apple cares more about money or their customers. If there is no capabilities overlap between the Mini and the iMac line, that forces people who really want a headless system but need more oomph than the high-end Mini provides to buy an iMac (or become a non-customer). This is particularly true as the Mini becomes an increasingly non-DYI-upgradable box. If Apple cared more about its customer’s desires, there would be overlap in these product lines so the customer can chose based on whether they need a headless system or an AIO.
This latter scenario might cost them some income, but (1) that’s not clearly the case as it might keep people from fleeing the Apple ecology altogether, and (2) Apple has a ****-load of money already. To me, what Apple does with its headless Mac lines over the next year or so will tell a lot about the true soul of the Jobs-less Apple. Bloviating at conferences is one thing, backing up your stated beliefs in your product line is quite another.
This latter scenario might cost them some income, but (1) that’s not clearly the case as it might keep people from fleeing the Apple ecology altogether, and (2) Apple has a ****-load of money already. To me, what Apple does with its headless Mac lines over the next year or so will tell a lot about the true soul of the Jobs-less Apple. Bloviating at conferences is one thing, backing up your stated beliefs in your product line is quite another.
I'd vote it's like 60-40. 60% profits, 40% customer. The people they are losing are made up by cost increasing across the board.
Do you think they cater more to the iPhone/laptop crowd than the desktop crowd? I think yes.