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Dated yes, but why do you feel the UI is unusable?
Well, it has been awhile since I have seen/used it, but one thing I remember is those super silly red, green and yellow dots. They are so damn small they are not worth the fine motor control to use. It is also super unclear what each does. I am sure there are other UI issues but I cannot remember.
 
Ah. I found it easy to memorise those dots. Red = close window. Yellow = The Trap of Confusion. Green = Just Resize The Damn Window Manually. See? Simple.

My biggest gripe is the Calendar app. It's clearly been designed by someone who had never even tried to use it. Possibly as a "I'll prove Jony and Tim never even look at this" type of bet.
 
The window handling sucks too

In the old days I had an app called Apple works and if I wanted to tile say 16 windows they would all just line up in a grid

Why can’t OS X do this in the finder ?
 
Ah. I found it easy to memorise those dots. Red = close window. Yellow = The Trap of Confusion. Green = Just Resize The Damn Window Manually. See? Simple.

My biggest gripe is the Calendar app. It's clearly been designed by someone who had never even tried to use it. Possibly as a "I'll prove Jony and Tim never even look at this" type of bet.
LOL! And one is lucky if they do not burn out a bunch of nerves trying to mouse over the delicate tiny useless circles from hell.
 
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The window handling sucks too

In the old days I had an app called Apple works and if I wanted to tile say 16 windows they would all just line up in a grid

Why can’t OS X do this in the finder ?

Window management in macOS is abysmal. At least you can install BetterSnapTool to make it work more like any other modern desktop.
 
IMO, these days you are supposed to use all Apps in full-screen mode.

macOS doesn't handle multiple Windows on the same screen as well as, say X-Windows.

One feature I like in X-Windows is that I can "pin" a small terminal-window to the top. It stays on top of all other windows, even if they have the focus.

But really, the trend to "one big-ass window that covers the whole screen-area" is not limited to macOS. It's an industry-wide trend that Apple just championed (IMO).

Browsers, editors of all sorts, graphics-programs - you name it, it's full-screen.
 
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IMO, these days you are supposed to use all Apps in full-screen mode.

macOS doesn't handle multiple Windows on the same screen as well as, say X-Windows.

One feature I like in X-Windows is that I can "pin" a small terminal-window to the top. It stays on top of all other windows, even if they have the focus.

But really, the trend to "one big-ass window that covers the whole screen-area" is not limited to macOS. It's an industry-wide trend that Apple just championed (IMO).

Browsers, editors of all sorts, graphics-programs - you name it, it's full-screen.

One of the really bad trends is the constant change in the overall UI "look" - the real root cause I believe is in the large company politics at the OS makers and the need for various people (UX, UI, Dev) to justify their on-going corporate existence and claims of importance by always moving the "This is what people want/need/better" target allowing them to re-write already mature system. What used to be utility is now fashion - always be looking for this fall's new styles - last year's will be so passe. And the purpose is not to make your life better, but to make their careers better. though they'll trot a copy of "how to lie with statistics" to show all the surveys saying "oh, the last 40 years of UI and UX design were completely wrong... everyone really needs to flick 2-box monochrome icons across the screen with their fingertips" (This is more true about Microsoft's Ribbon than you might think/fear, for example)

The "All apps must be full screen" comes from the idea of a "universal" app that not only runs on your phone but "Runs Everywhere"... you see your phone is a computer and your desktop is a computer so they are both just the same don't you see? And on your computer, if it's like a phone, we get that sweet 30% cut of everything of you do and it's so much more secure and easier and blah da blah da blah. So lets make it so that one app runs everywhere on everything and that'll be the most perfect and I need a promotion to division VP and 1 million RSUs for being the genius to realize this.

(Again, more truth there than you want to believe)
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I'm pretty sure Finder has been deprecated. They've left many of the same egregious holes in it since, like 2012.
Remember, even Jobs proclaimed that he wanted to do away with user facing file systems.
That leaves Finder in a deep, deep corporate hole.

I'm pretty happy with Total Finder by Binary Age, but I haven updated to High Sierras yet (need to check if the install hacks still work).
 
I dislike the full screen apps myself, trying to get the window buttons to appear has been fun (not). Kudos folks, some of these windows resizing posts made me laugh, but now a bit on what I would like from the Mac Mini that is almost certainly coming.

I would love a modern tweak on the 2012 Mac Mini. I took a serious look at the 2014 Mini and 2013 trashcan Mac Pro a couple of weeks ago and was okay with the separate display (I've been an iMac user since 1999). Going forward, I would like the option to disconnect my computer from the display and only upgrade what I need to. So a powerful, small computer with a solid graphics card that allows for some video work, design and the usual writing etc. would be great.
 
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IMO, these days you are supposed to use all Apps in full-screen mode.

macOS doesn't handle multiple Windows on the same screen as well as, say X-Windows.

One feature I like in X-Windows is that I can "pin" a small terminal-window to the top. It stays on top of all other windows, even if they have the focus.

But really, the trend to "one big-ass window that covers the whole screen-area" is not limited to macOS. It's an industry-wide trend that Apple just championed (IMO).

Browsers, editors of all sorts, graphics-programs - you name it, it's full-screen.

I'd rather have my teeth out than use full screen apps - they do my head in. I want a menu bar thank you very much.
 
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the real root cause I believe is in the large company politics at the OS makers and the need for various people (UX, UI, Dev) to justify their on-going corporate existence and claims of importance by always moving the "This is what people want/need/better" target allowing them to re-write already mature system. What used to be utility is now fashion - always be looking for this fall's new styles - last year's will be so passe. And the purpose is not to make your life better, but to make their careers better.

That is so "on-point" it's not funny ... as this is the engine of change in corporate America after the glass has been broken - essentially nothing new under the sun "just do it like this - instead of like this" - you see this a lot in Program/Project Management tools however occasionally something fundamental and ground-breaking does evolve out of the various iterations an example would be "Agile Methodology" which enables and empowers everyone on the team to excel at what they do best and brings pathways for rapid change to development.

Apple would be well served to move back to the "empowerment of the user" era which means bringing true value to function instead of fluff and restrictions at high cost.
 
To be honest, I don't think, there will a Mac mini at all (especially, if it wont get any update in October 2018).
What the "consumer" will get is the modular "Mac Pro", and the cheapest version of that will be a kind of replacement for the MM.

But this is just my 5 cents.
 
What the "consumer" will get is the modular "Mac Pro", and the cheapest version of that will be a kind of replacement for the MM..

A $5000 mini replacement perhaps. ;)
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We are way off-topic but yeah I have zero use for full screen apps

That's not off-topic... as it becomes obvious that the new Mac Mini is almost certainly not coming, this has now become the "everything I hate about Apple" thread. :D
 
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What I hate most ... Apple was a company I looked up to - believed in, they made me proud to own a Mac. I may not get the product I want but I would expect to still be basically happy with Apple but some very basic issues have become embarrassing at best:

No Published Hardware Plan / commitment
Obsolescence in spite of damage to the ecology (Lithium batteries 2-year iPhone cycle and the "cult of new")
No license to 3rd Party Hardware Mfgs.
Dongles (i just can't digest it from a company that defined elegance in computing)
 
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And that's what keeps this thread going, the astonishment that we all feel that an organization as quick-witted and tech-savvy as Apple is supposed to be cannot get this simple concept of a line of headless desktop computers for the working man/woman/alt-gender and execute the bejabbers out of it. At least every other post in this thread brings out a reaction of "True Dat" in me, and it keeps me going.
 
When a company continues to give you things you don't want (or know you need) - and conversely - takes away the things you want (or moves away from updating the things you want to keep) - you have to come to grips they're invoking change in you or sending you away...

The problem is ... if VW Touareg stops my show there's an Audi or Porsche counterpart and I'm still keeping up with the "Jones" but in Apple's case there's no comparable alternative - and this spot is getting old as old gets!

Sneaking suspicion: Mobility and social media has destroyed the natural "pace" that was a slow somewhat linear escalation of adaptability and power - the sudden detachment from sound footing (the corded phone at home - family dinner - the workstation enclave and location-location) has people functioning in a somewhat gaseous state - where there is no sense of stability, easily distracted and led by changing winds - unable to trend the big picture and dragged along by the next "big thing".

We want stable, predictable, build-able, fixable and upgrade-able ... Apple wants none of that "able" stuff! We're the last folks they're thinking about - "still raving about a 2012 product - we're so yesterday".
 
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As the old one was modelled on a cd / dvd case , the new one can definitely downsize.

Maybe it will be the first arm powered Mac ?
 
No. But it doesn’t matter. The Mac Mini sleeps with the fishes.
Ok so it won’t be called a Mac mini. It’ll be a modular Mac with no attached keyboard or display. It’ll have 24 hour battery life, be more powerful than best MacBook Pro.
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How many more Mac mini’s do we need? We have the iPad and iPad Pro :p just kidding. I can see a new Mac mini being in a smaller more elegant form factor
Right? More elegant form factor means battery, right?
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As the old one was modelled on a cd / dvd case , the new one can definitely downsize.

Maybe it will be the first arm powered Mac ?
It’d be great if the new Mac mini had DVD player writer. That fits in the back pack, and it needs hdmi and USB ports and throw in a headphone jack at least.
 
Ok so it won’t be called a Mac mini. It’ll be a modular Mac with no attached keyboard or display. It’ll have 24 hour battery life, be more powerful than best MacBook Pro.

Call it whatever you choose... it ain't coming back... it's a dead end. Cook thinks it's important (to Apple) because it's 4 year old technology being sold for comparatively obscene prices with zero new R&D expense.
 
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