The new MBP show dinosaurs like Cook and Schiller need to go!

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  1. HumpYourWayUp macrumors regular

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    Maybe the old dinosaurs like Schiller, Cook and Cue need to be replaced by younger people!
    Those dinosaurs are out of touch with reality and appear greedy.

    This really news item really triggered me:
    http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts-32gb-ram/
    If this is true they might even use a better GPU like for example a NVidia Pascal...

    Add to that news item the current situation and you start to cry:
     
  2. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    Tim Cook and Phil Schiller have been at Apple for a long time, what most people fail to realise is that Cook was hand picked by Job's to be the CEO, just because he isn't maybe doing what you want, doesn't make him a bad CEO.
     
  3. shareef777 macrumors 68000

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    People that don't understand the engineering involved in every aspect that goes into that very thin envelope shouldn't be complaining about who's running Apple. Details such as having PCI bus, the number of alpine ridge controllers, and a million other little things that goes into engineering that little box is considered in every decision. If you wanna argue that they should of gone bigger to fit more stuff in there, sure, I suppose (though there are other threads that go into why that wouldn't of helped). But then that just means you're buying from the wrong company. Apple has ALWAYS been about form AND function (note that I wrote form first intentionally). Again, if that's not to your liking you really should look elsewhere.
     
  4. neteng101 macrumors 65816

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    I think Johnny is the first one that needs to go - his extreme obsession with thin, once a good thing, is now compromising function of products.
     
  5. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    As the devices get thinner, he gets bigger. Go figure
     
  6. WRONG macrumors 6502a

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    This post and the video made me sick.
    It's almost everything nonsense.
    And Pascal for Apple needs wasn't and never will be a suitable option.
    Every NVIDIA mobile GPU have a TDP too high.
    Maybe, and just maybe, the only one could have been the 1050, which still will have the same performances of the Radeon Pro 460.

    If you want to complain, make it with good judgement!
     
  7. Steve121178 macrumors 68040

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    The new 2016 MacBook Pro's are amazing, they are just priced horribly wrong.
     
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  10. dumastudetto macrumors 68020

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    How can he possibly know how sales are going at this stage?

    I'm betting Apple will enjoy a blockbuster sales bonanza right through December because there is so much pent up demand.
     
  11. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    Well if you look on Apple's webpage it says 4-5 weeks for shipment of the new MacBook Pro's, so that's slipped from 2-3 weeks. There must be some demand at least.
     
  12. dumastudetto macrumors 68020

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    Yes exactly, but he's saying sales aren't looking too good from that AI article. I'd say the only evidence anyone really has so far says otherwise. It's gone from 2-3 weeks, to 3-4 weeks, to now 4-5 weeks wait time for delivery.
     
  13. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    Exactly, I find that a lot of these analysts under predict and tend to be part of the doom and gloom group "Apple is doomed" when in fact it's far from it.
     
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    True, we'll know more as Apple sales reports become known. I thought the article was worth reading because of the particular analyst. http://www.cultofmac.com/273923/ming-chi-kuo/
     
  16. Ries macrumors 68000

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    My guess it's a "rebranded" samsung 960 pro. Has about the same specs.
    http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/ssd960.html
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    If no Laptops was produced before the event (hence 2-3 week wait at launch), it means the initial sales equal 2 weeks production capacity.
     
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    A truly fast PCIe SSD is great. Now if they had just got the rest of it right (even close—remotely) . . .
     
  19. Zellio macrumors 65816

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    He was hand picked by Jobs in the same way that Steve Ballmer was hand picked by Bill Gates... Amazing how that turned out.
     
  20. ljjycss macrumors member

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    Reduced PCIE on 13inch models, why? Because Intel has nothing to offer. Do you realize how slowly Intel is moving forward these days? 10nm Cannonlake was expected to release this year. Instead, Intel starts releasing 14nm Kabylake right now and 14nm coffeelake in 2018. Cannonlake is only going to cover chips for Macbook and baseline Macbook Pro. Typical Macbook Pro revision cycle is about 4 years. I have a feeling that we won't see suitable 10nm Intel chips for Macbook Pro in 4 years.

    Nvidia is shifting their focus to high power graphic cards this year. They only offer 1080, 1070 and 1060 in laptops. These cards can not be put into a thin and light laptop without overheating and draining battery. I see a lot of people mentioning the new Razer Blade Pro saying it has 1080 while being thin. That's a 17 inch laptop almost as thick as a 2011 17 inch Macbook Pro. It is also much heavier.
     
  21. EnderBeta macrumors 6502

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    There is so much wrong with your statement. Form never used to mean make everything as thin as possible. That is a perfectly fine mindset for the MacBook and the MacBook Air. In fact I think the Air should be removed because it now is a redundant machine in the lineup. Smaller is good for the mini. The iMac can have elegant form without being anorexic. The MacBook Pro is supposed to be a compromise of portability and power. You know Apple has lost the plot when the 13" MacBook Pro is better at being an ultra book then most Ultrabooks.
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    I'm totally fine with a 17" laptop the same thickness as a 2011 MacBook Pro.
     
  22. cmaier macrumors G3

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    I gave a detailed explanation for why apple has no choice but to shift to ARM for macs a year or two ago. Looking like people are starting to agree with me.
     
  23. shareef777 macrumors 68000

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    What're you talking about? The MBP Pro has the latest quadcore/Skylake procs (as much as I'd love to have the 6X70 series w/ the Iris Pro 580, they simply don't exist, contrary to what Intel says, so blame them). The nVidia 1060 runs at 75W at full load. That's SEVENTY-FIVE in a laptop. If you thought the failure rates were bad before, this is going to hit Note7 levels of FAIL. The solution would be to actually go bigger then the 2012-2015 models. Which I, and a bet you a good amount of others, DON'T want. What's even worse is that going bigger would still limit their battery size (by the FAA to <100Wh) and would mean we're going back to ~5hr battery life. Apple's business decision is to product a machine that compromises just enough to meet as many people's demands as possible. You know what people want? A laptop that'll last a full shift without needing to be plugged in.

    Guess what, you and your monster of a machine is on the low end scale of demand (people that left Apple for a 17" level low). Apple will not produce a unique laptop with that low of a volume. Along those lines, I believe the MacPro is dead in the water.
     
  24. Zellio macrumors 65816

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    1060's are in tons of thin laptops. The only problem is the tdp and Apple painted themselves into a corner by going with usb 3 charging which has a current limit of only 100w

    Come on guys, if you are going to argue in Apple's favor, at least have the basic knowledge of what happened down.
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    You mention the large tdp without mentioning the fact that 1060's run very cool (At least for a mobile gpu that is basically a desktop 980). The razer blade may have a smaller battery life but it has no issues being small.
     

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