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I'm not really a fan of the notch just from an aesthetic standpoint and it seems like it's wider than necessary to accommodate the facetime hardware.

That said, the rest of the machine is just bananas so the annoying notch is pretty small potatoes.
I think it’s this. Personally I’m all for the extra screen real estate. But I understand how it could agitate one’s OCD.

What agitates mine is the shape/size of the notch. Would have liked to see it be the same size of the one on the 13 pro. My guess is they went with what they did as a way to not distinguish these first gen M1 Pros from future iterations which may have Face ID.
 
I think it’s this. Personally I’m all for the extra screen real estate. But I understand how it could agitate one’s OCD.

What agitates mine is the shape/size of the notch. Would have liked to see it be the same size of the one on the 13 pro. My guess is they went with what they did as a way to not distinguish these first gen M1 Pros from future iterations which may have Face ID.

This makes sense to me as well but we’ll probably get a better idea once the first teardowns happen and we get a peak inside.
 
That notch is so unnecessary.

Even Android phones that copied the notch have ditched the notch a long time ago.

That point (about Android phones and other notchless devices) has been addressed this in the thread already. The conclusion: yes the notch is necessary. If you want a hole punch design, fine I guess but to me that’s actually worse than a notch. Edit: would also preclude a FaceId system in the future, which honestly … ehhh … but knowing Apple they probably will want to add it.
 
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If Apple had released the new MBP without thinner bezels the caterwauling would’ve been immense on these forums and elsewhere. If Apple had released the new MBP without an improved camera the complaining would have been almost as loud.

The solution to get both is a notch and honestly on the MBP it works better than the iPhone. It’s landscape vs portrait so you lose proportionally less real estate and it’s where the task bar goes anyway. It doesn’t force an orientation unlike the phone version (you know since there is only one on the laptop anyway) and in full screen mode it just gets treated as a thick bezel and disappears. Yes it’s a compromise but this is the solution that gets you the most screen real estate for the form factor without sacrificing the camera quality.
 
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There is a legitimate concern. Just because you ignore it (as several people have posted it), doesn't mean its not there. Even taking the OP screen shot. Just one or two more drop down menus and it is out of space.

Most apps used day to day, would unlikely go past the notch, those that do, there’s still more than enough space the other side to overflow to.

You're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about. Camera modules are not solely responsible for the thickness of a device, are you serious right now?

Furthermore, the point of contention here is that Apple can fit one in the MBP if they wanted to, why are you reciting the existing thickness of the current MBAs to me? Or are you seriously suggesting that Apple adhere to some arbitrary design constraint because ... reasons?

For reference here is what an XPS 15 camera module looks like. Yeah yeah, it's not 720p and it's apparently crappy, but here you are telling me Apple cannot implement a notchless 1080p webcam because the MBA is 4mm thick lol.
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So, unless you’ve magically seen what’s in the new MacBook’s in that area, or unless you know of there being camera modules that can Be used for the Macbook (Just cos a phone might have one, does not mean it can work exactly the same for Laptops, additionally, even if a phone has one that’s 4mm thin, that 4mm is not the inside space in the thickness, that’s between the shell and the screen), that is of the quality, with the sensor tech, etc that Apple are using in the new MacBooks, your argument falls over.

Your line in bold is just absurdly daft, as if it could be done, they would, since we’ve seen them reduce the notch area on the iPhones, we know they’re not keen on it either.

What you will see in next generations, like with iPhones, is the notch getting smaller, possibly FaceID being added too. First generations are always ones where there’s room for improvement, no hardware is perfect first time, be it Apple, Google, Samsung, Microsoft. It’s fair enough to criticise, but to make arguments that are based on what you reckon Apple could do, that doesn’t exist yet, just negates anything you say.

Would it be nice for there to be thon bezels, and no notch? Yes. Is it really that much of an issue that there is? No. It’s a minor annoyance that some people like to decry as the end of the world, which is getting boring now.
 
Pinhole is impossible. The notch houses the camera, ambient light sensor and LED indicator
 
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Pinhole is impossible. The notch houses the camera, ambient light sensor and LED indicator
But it's comically large for what it is. The notch on an iPhone includes:

  1. Infrared camera
  2. Flood illuminator
  3. Proximity sensor
  4. Ambient light sensor
  5. Camera
  6. Dot projector
  7. Speaker
All this and somehow manages to be smaller. There's no reason the one on the MacBook couldn't have fit within the height of the existing menu bar and been about half the width. Instead the extra screen real estate is taken up by either a supersized menu bar or empty black space.

This is more like it:

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But it's comically large for what it is. The notch on an iPhone includes:

  1. Infrared camera
  2. Flood illuminator
  3. Proximity sensor
  4. Ambient light sensor
  5. Camera
  6. Dot projector
  7. Speaker
All this and somehow manages to be smaller. There's no reason the one on the MacBook couldn't have fit within the height of the existing menu bar and been about half the width. Instead the extra screen real estate is taken up by either a supersized menu bar or empty black space.
My guess is they’re laying the groundwork for Face ID tech. Or that the menu bar has to fit the largest font possible.
 
How about people who often use full screen zoom, Is there any solution for that ?

I hope apple have one for that, If no, then I won't buy any MBP until they remove the notch completely.
 
But it's comically large for what it is. The notch on an iPhone includes:

  1. Infrared camera
  2. Flood illuminator
  3. Proximity sensor
  4. Ambient light sensor
  5. Camera
  6. Dot projector
  7. Speaker
All this and somehow manages to be smaller. There's no reason the one on the MacBook couldn't have fit within the height of the existing menu bar and been about half the width. Instead the extra screen real estate is taken up by either a supersized menu bar or empty black space.

This is more like it:

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Until there’s a tear down, you’re making assumptions with regards to what’s housed in there. Additionally, the phones are thicker than the MacBook lid.

Also, this is Gen1, future models will see changes, like we have with the iPhone.

If you aren’t in a desperate need to replace current one, then just have to wait for one of the next iterations. If you are desperate to replace, then you have to live with it, which is a minor cosmetic negative, considering all the huge improvements to the MacBook overall.
 
I don't like notch, see if I watch full screen movie, I may pay attention on notch for all time.

or when I code a complex algorithm, oh, there is notch there to stop my think.
 
I don't like notch, see if I watch full screen movie, I may pay attention on notch for all time.

or when I code a complex algorithm, oh, there is notch there to stop my think.
Full screen movies won’t be obscured, in 90% of the time, so you won’t be bothered by it interrupting the image.

The notch won’t be in the way of you coding, only in a cosmetic way, not a functional way & function is what counts.
 
How about people who often use full screen zoom, Is there any solution for that ?

I hope apple have one for that, If no, then I won't buy any MBP until they remove the notch completely.
it’s a full 16:10 screen area below the notch. The space above that simply won’t be used when in full screen.
 
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it’s a full 16:10 screen area below the notch. The space above that simply won’t be used when in full screen.
Exactly, I think some people are trying too hard to find actual functionality impact, when it’s purely cosmetic.

I’d prefer if Apple could have done it with a smaller notch, or find a way to have it in the smaller bezel, but with the first iteration of the new change, they couldn’t, so it is what it is.

We know they will improve it in future iterations, based on the fact that we’ve seen the notch decrease in size with the iPhone 13’s.

So anyone that has issues with it in current form, can just either buy one of the Macbooks that don’t have the notch, or deal with a minor cosmetic annoyance, or wait for changes in the next few years to reduce the notch.

This notch issue is not the end of the world, and the HUGE improvements in the hardware massively outweigh a minor cosmetic annoyance, that 95% of people will get used to and not notice it so much after a period of time (as we’ve seen since iPhone’s had notches).
 
i already hate the notch on my iphone and definitely not going to buy a macbook with a notch.
I’d take a notch over a crappy underscreen camera that that produces awful photos, etc or a random hole punch.
 
Just based on the amount of chatter about the notch, I think Apple absolutely succeeded in garnering itself a lot of free marketing with the notch. And people are still going to buy it, win-win for Apple!
That’s the hilarious thing. The people griping about it are either gonna buy anyway, or were never going to buy one.
 
I'm not reading 5 pages of replies, but I don't mind it in principle. As noted, it is more screen, not less. But, I am surprised at how large it is. It seems far larger than the iPhone notch that does more (I understand the iPhone is deeper).
 
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