It was Baltar. Number Six told him right before the nuke destroyed his house. He didn't want to reveal how he knew, so he left an anonymous note.
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It was Baltar. Number Six told him right before the nuke destroyed his house. He didn't want to reveal how he knew, so he left an anonymous note.
joepunk
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Not a member, can't attend. Would have been nice if the EMP/SCI-FI Museum had a $10 or so showing for anyone.
I always thought Baltar left Adama the note about the 12 Cylon models.
iShater
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At the end of the miniseries - adama finds a note on his desk... there are 12 models...
iShater
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I thought he wrote it down after Leobin (spelling?) told him about 12 models when he was on that refueling depot.
Or was that in season one? 😛
whooleytoo
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hulugu
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I pretty sure that Leoben kept that piece of information to himself at Ragnar Anchorage, although I do think he intimated that there were Cylon 'skin jobs' in the fleet.
The note appeared at the end of the Mini-Series, so just before Season 1 began.
Tilpots
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Marble
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Oh, Ron Moore. 🙁
I think it was Robert McKee who said that you’re much more likely to be forgiven for giving a weak story a strong ending than a strong story a weak ending. Not that I thought would come right out and call this episode weak (or, indeed, this ending strong), but it is pretty much more of the same. Connect the dots. The major turning point of the episode is when Adama changes his mind, for goodness’s sake. I am normally a worshipper of Ron Moore’s plotting and eloquence, but it would have taken a great deal to reclaim my opinion after the first third of episode was dedicated to flashbacks, and it never arrived. The red line was a nice set piece, and the sole moment of the episode that I felt engaged, but only superficially, since it still strikes me as strange that anyone, besides Roslin and a handful of others, could comprehend Hera’s significance enough to be willing to risk their lives for her.
I’m getting tired of hoping that things that are introduced in this show will eventually make sense or seem significant. Learning more about Baltar’s daddy issues helps us understand the character, but this is a character that everyone already takes for granted (the plot seems to be there more for Caprica Six). The same goes for Roslin. What does knowing that her family was killed in a car accident tell us that her diagnosis with cancer didn’t? And this is leaving aside that flashbacks are on many levels completely nondramatic. It’s very hard to create suspense out of events that happened years ago. Their purpose, even when they are used masterfully (like The West Wing’s “Two Cathedrals”), is to support and enrich action that exists in the present. Even then they are treacherous because they are basically “explanation.” It’s like when someone is telling you this really compelling joke (jokes are nothing but suspense) and then goes “oh I forgot to mention, the guy is actually married” or whatever. It doesn’t help that flashback puts the author front and center. There’s nothing wrong with that in itself, but it can come across as quite a crude way to make a point.
There just isn’t much to say about this episode. It’s still setup, like the last million episodes before it. Like an increasingly complicated joke, it’s becoming less and less likely that the punchline is going to be worth it. In a way, I’m glad to have the opportunity to say so, because I was beginning to be worried that I was capable only of a blind admiration for Ron Moore.
I think it was Robert McKee who said that you’re much more likely to be forgiven for giving a weak story a strong ending than a strong story a weak ending. Not that I thought would come right out and call this episode weak (or, indeed, this ending strong), but it is pretty much more of the same. Connect the dots. The major turning point of the episode is when Adama changes his mind, for goodness’s sake. I am normally a worshipper of Ron Moore’s plotting and eloquence, but it would have taken a great deal to reclaim my opinion after the first third of episode was dedicated to flashbacks, and it never arrived. The red line was a nice set piece, and the sole moment of the episode that I felt engaged, but only superficially, since it still strikes me as strange that anyone, besides Roslin and a handful of others, could comprehend Hera’s significance enough to be willing to risk their lives for her.
I’m getting tired of hoping that things that are introduced in this show will eventually make sense or seem significant. Learning more about Baltar’s daddy issues helps us understand the character, but this is a character that everyone already takes for granted (the plot seems to be there more for Caprica Six). The same goes for Roslin. What does knowing that her family was killed in a car accident tell us that her diagnosis with cancer didn’t? And this is leaving aside that flashbacks are on many levels completely nondramatic. It’s very hard to create suspense out of events that happened years ago. Their purpose, even when they are used masterfully (like The West Wing’s “Two Cathedrals”), is to support and enrich action that exists in the present. Even then they are treacherous because they are basically “explanation.” It’s like when someone is telling you this really compelling joke (jokes are nothing but suspense) and then goes “oh I forgot to mention, the guy is actually married” or whatever. It doesn’t help that flashback puts the author front and center. There’s nothing wrong with that in itself, but it can come across as quite a crude way to make a point.
There just isn’t much to say about this episode. It’s still setup, like the last million episodes before it. Like an increasingly complicated joke, it’s becoming less and less likely that the punchline is going to be worth it. In a way, I’m glad to have the opportunity to say so, because I was beginning to be worried that I was capable only of a blind admiration for Ron Moore.
I didn't think Part 1 of Daybreak was anything special. Although the flashbacks created some sense of nostalgia for how far we've come, I didn't find any of the stories that necessary. Rosalyn losing her family is tragic, but they presumably would have died in the attack anyway. 😱 😉 Kara with Zack and Lee was rather pointless and although the Baltar story was interesting with his father, it ironically did more for Caprica Six's character than Baltar in my opinion. Even that I question though - Caprica Six seems more genuine now, and has developed as a character, however back then she was perhaps still heartlessly doing whatever it took to get what she needed from Baltar, including feigning compassion and so forth.
As for the present day story line, I felt it didn't really progress at all. Stripping Glactica down some more, Balar chatting with Lee... The major scene with the red tape and picking sides was alright but all it really did was set up the finale next week. Once again, I find myself waiting for closure on so many aspects, but they seem to keep getting delayed! 😛 😉
I guess I just thought more would be revealed this episode and there would be more action and drama. A suspenseful cliffhanger would have even been nice, with the 2 hour finale next week resolving it. Instead, I felt like some anticipation was built, in terms of, "Here we go, one last mission, this is it, what will it be?" but this is nothing new, and has been the case for the last several episodes. 😉
I also do not find it believable that Adama has somehow convinced a bunch of the crew that saving Hera, whom they presumably don't have as much appreciation or care for, is worth essentially risking all of humanity for.
All I can say is the finale better be good - it has a tough task in order to meet expectations and satisfactorily bring resolution to such an epic tale. I wait with fingers crossed and excited anticipation! 😎
As for the present day story line, I felt it didn't really progress at all. Stripping Glactica down some more, Balar chatting with Lee... The major scene with the red tape and picking sides was alright but all it really did was set up the finale next week. Once again, I find myself waiting for closure on so many aspects, but they seem to keep getting delayed! 😛 😉
I guess I just thought more would be revealed this episode and there would be more action and drama. A suspenseful cliffhanger would have even been nice, with the 2 hour finale next week resolving it. Instead, I felt like some anticipation was built, in terms of, "Here we go, one last mission, this is it, what will it be?" but this is nothing new, and has been the case for the last several episodes. 😉
I also do not find it believable that Adama has somehow convinced a bunch of the crew that saving Hera, whom they presumably don't have as much appreciation or care for, is worth essentially risking all of humanity for.
All I can say is the finale better be good - it has a tough task in order to meet expectations and satisfactorily bring resolution to such an epic tale. I wait with fingers crossed and excited anticipation! 😎
I'm certain those flashbacks are only to introduce people we're about to meet. If I'm right Laura's sisters, Baltar's father, and Zak will all be there to greet the Galactica crew as they "resurrect".
iShater
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I felt that the "last mission" choices the crew was making was really about going with Adama. They all seemed tired of it all and the stripping of the Galactica was bringing them down. Why not go down with the ship? Some might.
or something like that. 😛
I might miss the Monday special, anybody planning to record and can share it?
I managed to get a hold of disks 4-6 of season 3, but disk 3 is illusive, all libraries have it checked out. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
or something like that. 😛
I might miss the Monday special, anybody planning to record and can share it?
I managed to get a hold of disks 4-6 of season 3, but disk 3 is illusive, all libraries have it checked out. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
I took it more that they see themselves now as out of options. They either die in a mission that has meaning, or they die anyway out in space.
Yeah, this is probably more likely - they know it's the end of the line, so it's a decision on how they want to finish.
whooleytoo
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It could be.. I thought it would be kind of fitting if those that went with Adama (the brave/compassionate) survived, whereas those that didn't help, never made it.
Still some big questions to be answered, in particular the other Starbuck. Could good ol' time travel be involved? They made it back to a pre-Apocalyptic Earth?
(Completely OT, but I just watched Exodus 2 from Season 3 again, what a cracking episode! They must have blown their entire CGI budget on that one!)
AliensAreFuzzy
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A lot of times those specials go up for free on iTunes.
I am very excited for the finale. I was bored and watching the original BSG and then I really wanted to watch some of the space battles from earlier seasons of the new one.
That would be odd to say the least. Would be interesting to see all the people who died during the journey be on a planet somewhere just waiting.
Still I figure we will find out Starbuck was really the first Cylon/Human baby or such.
I didn't mean resurrection in the Cylon sense. I thought more along the lines of as the characters die and go into the BSG afterlife. I'm now thinking that the writers will pitch the Circle of Time as each afterlife being effectively the same as the one before, just in a slightly different reality. It's only by moving both Humans and Cylons into the next phase that the Circle can complete, and by removing the Resurrection Hub the Humans have freed the Cylons to move on into the next world and can therefore move forward themselves. This is the reason for Starbuck being "sent back" so she could lead that assault and allow them all to cross over to where their already dead friends await.
I reckon the last scene will be Cavill doomed to remain in the old dead universe, alone, with everyone else having "walked into the daylight".
hulugu
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This is an interesting idea and one that jives to a certain extent with where the show appears to be going. I'm afraid that the SS Moore and Co., may not have charted such a course, however, since it might actually be a happy ending and BSG doesn't strike me as a happy ending kind of show.
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