The Official Doctor Who

[Metal Zombie]

Beeb releases pic of the cover for the forthcoming DVD release, The Invasion (released in November).

Oh and I can't remember who mentioned it but the TARDIS was described as being alive (to some degree), in the 3rd ever Doctor Who story, The Edge Of Destruction.

 

[~Shard~]

Oh and I can't remember who mentioned it but the TARDIS was described as being alive (to some degree), in the 3rd ever Doctor Who story, The Edge Of Destruction.

Very cool, thanks for that! 🙂

As for the TARDIS being alive, yes, you're correct, Hartnell started the idea, and it was definitely eluded to in the Pertwee years for sure (not sure about Troughton). In one of the episodes with Liz Shaw as his companion, the Brigadier thinks he's all clever and tries to use the Doctor's TARDIS key to get inside. The Doctor then explains to him that it's actually a "metabolic lock" and is smart in the sense that it "knows" who to let in and who not to, based on who is holding the key. 😎

There are a couple instances when the Doctor explains to Jo Grant as well that the TARDIS "isn't a machine"...

 

[Metal Zombie]

Oh and Shard, what do you think of the North American versions of the DVD covers? I think they're crap compared to the wonderful UK covers. Don't know why they make them differ...

 

[~Shard~]

Oh and Shard, what do you think of the North American versions of the DVD covers? I think they're crap compared to the wonderful UK covers. Don't know why they make them differ...

In general I always seem to find the UK versions of things superior to the N. American versions... 😱 😉 Yeah, I totally agree with ya on that one...

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Beeb releases pic of the cover for the forthcoming DVD release, The Invasion (released in November).

Ah... that's the one – correct me if I'm wrong – where they've produced a couple of animated episodes to replace ones that have been 'lost' over the years (although recordings of the soundtrack survived). It looks very interesting, I might just have to add that one to my collection. 😎

And yep, the idea of the TARDIS being alive in some sense of the word isn't a new idea – it's cropped up on many occasions over the years, as has the idea that the Doctor has some kind of symbiotic relationship with the 'machine'.

 

[Metal Zombie]

Yeah episodes 1 and 4 of The Invasion are animated! 🙂 Can't wait for those cartoon Cybermen! The animated episodes use the original sound.

 

[Metal Zombie]

Opinion appreciated by you Whovians out there -

In my history of the Cyberman on my website, I am going to state that the Cybermen from The Invasion (set approx. 1972) are in fact from the future.

These Cybermen are from the same faction later seen in Attack Of The Cybermen, who have a time ship.

The reason I would claim they are from the future is that they appear far more advanced than the Cybermen seen in The Tenth Planet (set in 1986) and recognise the Doctor from planet 14 (which is probably Telos, the planet in The Tomb Of The Cybermen).

The only other solution is that this force of Cybermen raced ahead of The Tenth Planet to prepare for its appearance next to Earth. They then assimilated Earth technology, that they were not so advanced in, to produce the more advanced Cybermen. The only bad thing about this theory is there is no explanation for their recognition of the 2nd Doctor, or why they did not send the new technological information back to Mondas (lack of materials on Mondas?).

 

[Jaffa Cake]

The time travelling Cybermen theory has been put forward a few times to explain the obvious technology differences between different groups of Cybermen we've seen – if you mention it I'd say mention it as a theory, it's certainly not canon.

While we're at it, I think the Cyberhead in Dalek was supposed to be from The Invasion... 😉

 

[Metal Zombie]

Yeah, where the hell did they get that head from? Its from approx. 30th century. I think they chose that head cos its possibly the most 'classic' looking one. This suggests that the Cybermen obtained that time ship around the 30th century.

You've seen the time travelling theory many times? Damn. 🙁 I've only seen it once on a certain Cyberman fansite and that was after I thought the Cybermen in The Invasion were the predecessors of The Attack Of The Cybermen, who in turn are the predecessors of the unexplainably large and technological advanced force seen in Silver Nemesis (not all of the Cyber ships were destroyed in The Invasion, these made part of the Silver Nemesis force).

Oh and I wont mention it as theory. In my history pages I include evidence for and against a dating. This ranges from 'Date stated in episode' to lesser evidence seen in the story, to evidence against the date (which would obviously not overwhelm the evidence for).

Plus if its not canon, then what explanation is? How can they be that technologically advanced of The Tenth Planet Cybermen? It needs an explanation and I think this one's a pretty good one. Just asking which one you prefer, or if you have another explanation, for fun, since The Invasion came to mind. 🙂

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Just asking which one you prefer, or if you have another explanation, for fun, since The Invasion came to mind. 🙂

In the absence of an 'official' explanation I'm always happy to listen to conjecture – like the discussion earlier about the time vortex, for example – and see how others interpret what's going on. The idea of Cybermen possessing some rudimentary time travel devices – be they of their own creation or technology that they've captured – is one that sits perfectly happily with me. It certainly would be a good explanation. 🙂

 

[Metal Zombie]

I refer to the time ship captured and then featured in Attack Of The Cybermen as the means of all the aforementioned Cyberman time travel. I would not conjure up a means of time travel out of my own imagination, for that part of Cyber history. 😛

That would be more like me making up Doctor Who history, rather than finding evidence for the discrepancies in televised stories! 😀 (And besides Cybermen were miles away from developing their own means of time travel!)

 

[Jaffa Cake]

I refer to the time ship captured and then featured in Attack Of The Cybermen as the means of all the aforementioned Cyberman time travel...

Good point well made. I had in the back of my head they had time travel in one story but I couldn't remember which one or the details.

The memory starts going when you reach my advanced years, see. 😛

 

[Metal Zombie]

Yeah I'm not making it all up. 😛 I'll give you a link to my Who history, called The Matrix... When its finished. 😎

 

[Metal Zombie]

Yeah I'm not making it all up! 😛 I'll give you a link to my Who history, called The Matrix, when it's finished... It's gonna be the best Who history you've ever seen (which isn't hard, the few have been lazily put together with terrible continuity, let alone even having datings of UNIT stories) 😎

May I ask what age group you belong to Jaffa, just out of interest (I'm 29). Is it (listed in Dalek binary (canon)) -

I) 1-12 (lol)
II) 13-19
III) 20-25
IO) 26-30
O) 31-40
OI) 41-50
OII) 51-60
OIII) 950
IOO) Sod off

 

[Jaffa Cake]

May I ask what age group you belong to Jaffa, just out of interest (I'm 29). Is it (listed in Dalek binary (canon))

I'm 30, so after the Dalek conquest comes our new masters will have me logged as a IO. 😀

 

[Metal Zombie]

Oh thought you meant u were older than that, not that I don't refrain from taking the mickey out of my own age often!

 

[Metal Zombie]

Did you know that if you use Dalek binary up to the number 20 (OOOO) and then usual octal binary (thats normal binary to us) from 21 onwards (10101), it is actually more efficient than using our everyday octal binary from 1 onwards.

Someone tell me to shut up, I'm getting far too geeky... 🙁

 

[Metal Zombie]

At last, a Dalek icon for OS X! And gold bullets (best forgotten that one).

Go to http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/beautifulgoldicons.html to download them.

 

[Sky Blue]

(shame Gatiss and Moffat didn't repeat their brilliance)

Are you refering to Girl in the Fireplace? Generally hailed as one of the greatest Who stories ever?

 

[Sky Blue]

Oh and Shard, what do you think of the North American versions of the DVD covers? I think they're crap compared to the wonderful UK covers. Don't know why they make them differ...

I think the US template for the DVDs is much better than the UK ones, I really don't like the big TARDIS bezels taking up half the case. However, the individual US art is usually horrid. Check out the Key to Time boxset, for some poor photoshopping.

 

[Metal Zombie]

Are you refering to Girl in the Fireplace? Generally hailed as one of the greatest Who stories ever?

No it was one of the worse. If you read it correctly I was hailing their stories from the 1st series, The Empty Child/Doctor Dances being arguably the best story of it. And if you did read it properly (lol) you would have seen I was referring to the new series only.

Oh and the NA covers suck compared to what the rest of the world gets. They're just so dull. So dull I don't understand why a US/Canadian would prefer them. 😕

 

[Sky Blue]

No it was one of the worse. If you read it correctly I was hailing their stories from the 1st series, The Empty Child/Doctor Dances being arguably the best story of it.

Oh and the NA covers suck compared to what the rest of the world gets. They're just so dull. So dull I don't understand why a US/Canadian would prefer them. 😕

I did read it correctly. You were saying that Gatiss or Moffat's stories in Season 2 didn't compare to season 1. Gattis, I agree with as Idiot's Lantern was pretty dull. But in my opinion and, from what I've read at OG, Girl in the Firplace is near perfection.
I'm interested in what you didn't like about it? Was it the romance stuff?

 

[Metal Zombie]

I did read it correctly. You were saying that Gatiss or Moffat's stories in Season 2 didn't compare to season 1. Gattis, I agree with as Idiot's Lantern was pretty dull. But in my opinion and, from what I've read at OG, Girl in the Firplace is near perfection.

Oh I see! Sorry. TGITFP is utter ***** in my opinion. Have you actually seen it? Its just fails on so many levels. The kissing, the unscary clock-work men, the terrible music, the utter cheeseness of it all... The bleeding bit where he comes back drunk from a french party and acts like a tit - that was totally embarrassing for a Whovian.

 

[~Shard~]

I actually liked "Girl in the Fireplace" a lot more than I thought it would. An intriguing concept and a well-written story IMO. But hey, to each their own. 🙂

 

[simonthewolf]

But in my opinion and, from what I've read at OG, Girl in the Firplace is near perfection.

Totally agree with that, one of the most re-watchable episodes ever in my opinion.

P.S. Long time Whovian, first time Who-poster. I can't believe I missed this thread...